Is Jesus the God of the Bible? Introductory and other evidence.

[YeshuaRedeemed]

It's cool if we disagree. I still like you. I am sorry if I did not provide enough evidence. Maybe you can use the first link in my signature to search a Bible translation in English or Spanish, and understand what the original languages.

 

[74x12]

How did the apostles he had taught who were there and heard him, and understood him, carry out this command in the book of Acts?
Places such as:
Acts 2:38
Acts 8:16
Acts 10:43-48
Acts 19:5

Matthew 28:19 says in the name (singular) - Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are titles. If you understand that there is only one God, and that the one God appeared in a body, as the Messiah. If you understand that the Messiah was both the Father and the son, as Isaiah 9:6 prophesied he would be. Then you would understand why they carried out the command as they did.

Also, Matthew, Mark , and Luke wrote different accounts about the same event, right before he ascended. Compare Matthew's account with Luke 24:47
They have to mean the same thing.

Good points; especially about the Luke 24:47 - Matthew 28:19 connection. If I may add my own point. When we say Jesus is Lord it's unto the glory of "God the Father". (Philippians 2:11) So when it says to baptize in the name of the Father ... what name exactly are we supposed to think? We think that it's the name Jesus that is unto the glory of the Father. And the holy Spirit, the Comforter is sent in Jesus name. (John 14:26) So in the name(singular tense) of the Father, Son and holy Spirit ... Got it. Jesus.

Acts 22:16 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
16 and now, why tarriest thou? having risen, baptize thyself, and wash away thy sins, calling upon the name of the Lord.

1 Corinthians 1:2 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
2 to the assembly of God that is in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus, called saints, with all those calling upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ in every place -- both theirs and ours:

Acts 2:21 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
21 and it shall be, every one -- whoever shall call upon the name of the Lord, he shall be saved.

Acts 2:38 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
38 and Peter said unto them, `Reform, and be baptized each of you on the name of Jesus Christ, to remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit,

 

[Trailblazer]

I never said it did.

I know you didn't.

I don't believe in the Trinity.

I gathered that much.

 

[robocop (actually)]

https://www.gotquestions.org/is-Jesus-God.html https://www.gotquestions.org/God-is-not-a-man.html https://www.gotquestions.org/God-in-the-flesh.html https://www.gotquestions.org/good-God-alone.html Please watch:

Now for the scriptures. He is the image of the invisible God (Colossians 1:15), thought it not robbery to be equal with God (Philippians 2:6), unless that you believe that I AM (Greek ego ami), you will die in your sins (John 8:24, before Abraham was, I AM (He is) John 8:58. In Him (Christ) dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily (Colossians 2:9), God is one but three (1 John 5:7), please read all of John 1 with special attention to verse 14, and 18/ Isaiah 9:6 says that He shall be called wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, and everlasting Father. John 10:30 says that He and the Father are one. He who has seen Him, has seen the Father (John 14:9). There are also many instances of Jesus forgiving sins, and He has to be Almighty YHWH God Ha Adonai (The LORD of lords) to do that. Most Bibles Call Him Jesus, but some call Him Yeshua which is the Hebrew Name for Jesus, and the Hebrew word for Salvation. He is Salvation for all repentant sinners. Sife note: Yehoshua is the long forn of the Hebrew word Yeshua (Salvation). Yehoshua means YHWH saves. You may use this: https://www.blueletterbible.org/ website as well as: https://www.biblegateway.com/ to factcheck my claims.

gotquestions can blow me.

 

[MJFlores]

Is Jesus the Father also? Is Jesus equal to the Father? Are your three-in-one equal with each other?

That concept exist in Hindu religion and I beg to disagree that it truly exist in the Bible.

I happen to read that Jesus is the Son not the Father. And I happen to read that the Son was sent by the Father. And adding to this, the Holy Spirit is sent by the Son. The Holy Spirit cannot send the Father or the Son. The Son cannot send the Father. The Father sent the Son and the Son sends the Holy Spirit.

John 14:26 New International Version (NIV)
But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.

Like the words of the Lord Jesus Christ when he said:

John 10:29 New International Version (NIV)
My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand.

John 14:28 New International Version (NIV)
“You heard me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.

Who should I believe? I rather believe in the Lord Jesus Christ that the Father is the only true God.

 

[Trailblazer]

I happen to read that Jesus is the Son not the Father. And I happen to read that the Son was sent by the Father. And adding to this, the Holy Spirit is sent by the Son. The Holy Spirit cannot send the Father or the Son. The Son cannot send the Father. The Father sent the Son and the Son sends the Holy Spirit.

I believe that Jesus is the Son, not the Father. I believe that the Son was sent by the Father. The Holy Spirit comes from the Father. The Holy Spirit was sent by the Father to the Son. The Holy Spirit cannot send the Father or the Son. The Son cannot send the Father.

The Father sent the Son and then the Father sent the Holy Spirit to the Son and then the Son brought the Holy Spirit to humanity.

Father >>> Son >> Holy Spirit >> Humanity

 

[MJFlores]

I believe that Jesus is the Son, not the Father. I believe that the Son was sent by the Father. The Holy Spirit comes from the Father. The Holy Spirit was sent by the Father to the Son. The Holy Spirit cannot send the Father or the Son. The Son cannot send the Father.

The Father sent the Son and then the Father sent the Holy Spirit to the Son and then the Son brought the Holy Spirit to humanity.

Father >>> Son >> Holy Spirit >> Humanity

That's good but the thing is the Lord Jesus is the Son hence is not God.

As the Son declared in:

John 17:1-3 New King James Version (NKJV)
Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You, as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him. And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.

According to the Lord Jesus Christ, his FATHER is the only true God.

When he said THE ONLY - that means exclusivity. Having a trinity dogma - co-equal - is by all means contrary to the teachings of the Lord Jesus Christ. Would they gain eternal life harboring this belief? And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. - what do you think?

 

[Trailblazer]

That's good but the thing is the Lord Jesus is the Son hence is not God.

As the Son declared in:

John 17:1-3 New King James Version (NKJV)
Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You, as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him. And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.

According to the Lord Jesus Christ, his FATHER is the only true God.

When he said THE ONLY - that means exclusivity. Having a trinity dogma - co-equal - is by all means contrary to the teachings of the Lord Jesus Christ. Would they gain eternal life harboring this belief? And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. - what do you think?

That is true. I agree that the Jesus is the Son hence Jesus is not God.

 

[The Anointed]

That is true. I agree that the Jesus is the Son hence Jesus is not God.

Moses asked God for his name in order that he might be able to tell the Israelites in Egypt, who had sent him. And God said; Exodus 3: 14; "I Am Who I Am/YHVH." You must tell them: 'The one who is called "I AM/JHVH" has sent me to you.' Tell the Israelites that I, the Lord, the God of their ancestors, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, have sent you to them.

Deuteronomy 18: 18; YHVH, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, says to Moses; "I will send them a prophet like you from among their own people; I will put my words into his mouth, and he will tell the people everything I command. And whoever will not heed MY words that he will speak in my name, I will punish.

Peter confirms that Jesus was that man, when in reference to Jesus he says in, Acts 3: 22; For Moses said; "The Lord your God will send you a prophet, Just as he sent me, and he will be one of your own people, etc."

Did the people of his day believe that he was the Lord, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The God of our ancestors? No, they did not, for on the day of his triumphant entry into Jerusalem, the people escorting him cried out, "BLESSED IS HE WHO COMES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD." Verifying that they believed Jesus to be the one that God had promised that he would choose from among the Israelites and send to the people to speak in his name.

John 5: 24; "Whoever hears my words, (Which words the Lord put into his mouth) and believes in “HIM” who sent me, has eternal life.

Who did Jesus say that we must believe on to inherit eternal life?

Acts 3: 13; "The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of your ancestors, has given glory to his servant Jesus.

Acts 3:19; “Repent then and turn to God, (Not to Jesus, but to God) so that He (God) will forgive your sins. If you do, times of spiritual strength will come from the Lord, and He will send Jesus, who is the Messiah that he has already CHOSEN for you. The man Jesus, was chosen and made both Lord and saviour by “Who I Am”. Acts 3:13; The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our ancestors has given divine glory to his servant Jesus.

Isaiah 42: 1; The Lord says, “Here is my servant, whom I strengthen—the one I have chosen, with whom I am pleased. I have filled him with my spirit, and he will bring justice to the every Nation.

In reference to Jesus, Matthew 12: 18; “Here is my servant, whom I have chosen, the one I love, and with whom I am pleased. I will send my spirit upon him and He will announce my judgment to the Nations, etc.

John 20: 17; Go and tell by brothers that I am ascending to my Father and their Father, to my God and their God.

The word of God can evolve, to greater heights and brightness as he reveals himself to us through the creation by which he is made manifest. But we must begin with the seed from the word of God and watch it grow into the greater light, which will reveal all truth.

For if we begin with rubbish and take our seed from the myths of immortal alien life forms siring hybrid heros from mortal mothers, we will witness the plant that evolves from that lie, shrivel up and die in the blazing light of the evolving truth of God’s word.

If those who are confined to the few books which the universal church of Constantine advises all her poor deceived children to remain in, and not go beyond the boundary that she has set, they will remain trapped in the dungeons of darkness that her lies have created, and the growing light cannot penetrate that darkness.

Jesus was raised from the dead on the first day of the week after Passover, which is the Feast of "First fruits." The first to be born son of God, not by blood nor by the will of the flesh, nor by the will of man but by the spirit of the Lord our God that descended upon him in the form of a dove as the heavenly voice was heard to say, "You are my Son, THIS DAY, I have begotten thee."

Jesus is the firstborn, the first fruits to be harvested from the body of man, the first of many brothers and sisters to be raised from the dead, the first of many brothers and sisters to be conformed to the image of God’s only begotten son, the first to win the victory and to receive a share of the glorious immortal body of light, which is that of our heavenly saviour, which body of light is torn asunder and poured out as little tongues of fire on the heads of all those who believed his words as spoken through his servant "Jesus" for our salvation.

In his new glorious body of brilliant and blinding light, He, on the road to Damascus, answered Saul's question, "Who are you Lord?" with these words, "I am Jesus of Nazareth whom you persecute."

And Jesus our brother, was given divine glory [See Acts 3: 13.] and is now incontestably divine and sits in the throne of our Father, [See Revelation 3: 21.] and all the chosen ones who have born the IMAGE of the first Adam, shall also bear the IMAGE of Jesus, "The Second Adam," (in the eternal process of change/evolution, for mankind does not close the chapter in the book of evolution) a new creation of androgynous bodies of Glorious and blinding Light that is the new Temple of our Lord which is to replace God’s old tabernacle (Mankind) as the ruler on this earth of all creation.

First, MAN (man ('enosh') in English, mortal human beings) was created a little lower than the angels, then he is crowned with glory and all creation is placed beneath his feet. All creation is placed beneath the feet of 'MAN' (man ('enosh) in English, mortal human beings) WHO IS CROWNED WITH GLORY, we have not yet seen this happen. But we have seen Jesus, the first born from the dead, who has won the victory and was given divine glory by our heavenly Father and saviour, and now sits in His heavenly throne of Godhead: and who, in Revelation 3: 21; invites those, who win the victory also, to sit with him in our Father"s throne of Godhead within the creation. And all creation Visible and invisible, which, according to Paul, includes even the angels, will bow at their feet.

 

[MJFlores]

Moses asked God for his name in order that he might be able to tell the Israelites in Egypt, who had sent him. And God said; Exodus 3: 14; "I Am Who I Am/YHVH." You must tell them: 'The one who is called "I AM/JHVH" has sent me to you.' Tell the Israelites that I, the Lord, the God of their ancestors, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, have sent you to them.

Deuteronomy 18: 18; YHVH, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, says to Moses; "I will send them a prophet like you from among their own people; I will put my words into his mouth, and he will tell the people everything I command. And whoever will not heed MY words that he will speak in my name, I will punish.

Peter confirms that Jesus was that man, when in reference to Jesus he says in, Acts 3: 22; For Moses said; "The Lord your God will send you a prophet, Just as he sent me, and he will be one of your own people, etc."

Did the people of his day believe that he was the Lord, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The God of our ancestors? No, they did not, for on the day of his triumphant entry into Jerusalem, the people escorting him cried out, "BLESSED IS HE WHO COMES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD." Verifying that they believed Jesus to be the one that God had promised that he would choose from among the Israelites and send to the people to speak in his name.

John 5: 24; "Whoever hears my words, (Which words the Lord put into his mouth) and believes in “HIM” who sent me, has eternal life.

Who did Jesus say that we must believe on to inherit eternal life?

Acts 3: 13; "The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of your ancestors, has given glory to his servant Jesus.

Acts 3:19; “Repent then and turn to God, (Not to Jesus, but to God) so that He (God) will forgive your sins. If you do, times of spiritual strength will come from the Lord, and He will send Jesus, who is the Messiah that he has already CHOSEN for you. The man Jesus, was chosen and made both Lord and saviour by “Who I Am”. Acts 3:13; The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our ancestors has given divine glory to his servant Jesus.

Isaiah 42: 1; The Lord says, “Here is my servant, whom I strengthen—the one I have chosen, with whom I am pleased. I have filled him with my spirit, and he will bring justice to the every Nation.

In reference to Jesus, Matthew 12: 18; “Here is my servant, whom I have chosen, the one I love, and with whom I am pleased. I will send my spirit upon him and He will announce my judgment to the Nations, etc.

John 20: 17; Go and tell by brothers that I am ascending to my Father and their Father, to my God and their God.

The word of God can evolve, to greater heights and brightness as he reveals himself to us through the creation by which he is made manifest. But we must begin with the seed from the word of God and watch it grow into the greater light, which will reveal all truth.

For if we begin with rubbish and take our seed from the myths of immortal alien life forms siring hybrid heros from mortal mothers, we will witness the plant that evolves from that lie, shrivel up and die in the blazing light of the evolving truth of God’s word.

If those who are confined to the few books which the universal church of Constantine advises all her poor deceived children to remain in, and not go beyond the boundary that she has set, they will remain trapped in the dungeons of darkness that her lies have created, and the growing light cannot penetrate that darkness.

Jesus was raised from the dead on the first day of the week after Passover, which is the Feast of "First fruits." The first to be born son of God, not by blood nor by the will of the flesh, nor by the will of man but by the spirit of the Lord our God that descended upon him in the form of a dove as the heavenly voice was heard to say, "You are my Son, THIS DAY, I have begotten thee."

Jesus is the firstborn, the first fruits to be harvested from the body of man, the first of many brothers and sisters to be raised from the dead, the first of many brothers and sisters to be conformed to the image of God’s only begotten son, the first to win the victory and to receive a share of the glorious immortal body of light, which is that of our heavenly saviour, which body of light is torn asunder and poured out as little tongues of fire on the heads of all those who believed his words as spoken through his servant "Jesus" for our salvation.

In his new glorious body of brilliant and blinding light, He, on the road to Damascus, answered Saul's question, "Who are you Lord?" with these words, "I am Jesus of Nazareth whom you persecute."

And Jesus our brother, was given divine glory [See Acts 3: 13.] and is now incontestably divine and sits in the throne of our Father, [See Revelation 3: 21.] and all the chosen ones who have born the IMAGE of the first Adam, shall also bear the IMAGE of Jesus, "The Second Adam," (in the eternal process of change/evolution, for mankind does not close the chapter in the book of evolution) a new creation of androgynous bodies of Glorious and blinding Light that is the new Temple of our Lord which is to replace God’s old tabernacle (Mankind) as the ruler on this earth of all creation.

First, MAN (man ('enosh') in English, mortal human beings) was created a little lower than the angels, then he is crowned with glory and all creation is placed beneath his feet. All creation is placed beneath the feet of 'MAN' (man ('enosh) in English, mortal human beings) WHO IS CROWNED WITH GLORY, we have not yet seen this happen. But we have seen Jesus, the first born from the dead, who has won the victory and was given divine glory by our heavenly Father and saviour, and now sits in His heavenly throne of Godhead: and who, in Revelation 3: 21; invites those, who win the victory also, to sit with him in our Father"s throne of Godhead within the creation. And all creation Visible and invisible, which, according to Paul, includes even the angels, will bow at their feet.

Marie Sinclair, Countess of Caithness, in her 1876 book Old Truths in a New Light, states: “It is generally, although erroneously, supposed that the doctrine of the Trinity is of Christian origin. Nearly every nation of antiquity possessed a similar doctrine. [The early Catholic theologian] St. Jerome testifies unequivocally, ‘All the ancient nations believed in the Trinity’ ” (p. 382).

https://www.ucg.org/bible-study-too...arian-gods-influenced-adoption-of-the-trinity

That is how the 3 in 1 god paganism crept to Christianity.

1 Corinthians 8:6 New King James Version (NKJV)
yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live.

Totally different from what the Bible said.

 

[TrueBeliever37]

Is Jesus the Father also? Is Jesus equal to the Father? Are your three-in-one equal with each other?

I happen to read that Jesus is the Son not the Father. And I happen to read that the Son was sent by the Father. And adding to this, the Holy Spirit is sent by the Son. The Holy Spirit cannot send the Father or the Son. The Son cannot send the Father. The Father sent the Son and the Son sends the Holy Spirit.

John 14:26 New International Version (NIV)
But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.

Like the words of the Lord Jesus Christ when he said:

John 10:29 New International Version (NIV)
My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand.

John 14:28 New International Version (NIV)
“You heard me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.

Who should I believe? I rather believe in the Lord Jesus Christ that the Father is the only true God.

Hi MJFlores,

First of all I am not a Trinitarian.

Isaiah 9:6 in prophesy said that the son to be born would also be the mighty God, and the everlasting Father.

Hebrews 1:8 says, But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever

1 Timothy 3:16 God was manifest in the flesh.

Matthew 1:18-20 - v18 - she was found with child of the Holy Spirit, and v20 - for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit, so the Holy Spirit is the Father.

John 4:24 God is a Spirit, and there is only one Spirit per Ephesians 4:4 So the Father is the Holy Spirit.

John 14:7-9 When asked to show them the Father, what did the Messiah say? He said, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me? He that hath seen me hath seen the Father.

The Father is the eternal Spirit, the son is the flesh. He said I and my Father are one. John 10:30 Then they took up stones to kill him because they said he was making himself out to be God.

Isaiah 44:24 says that YHWH made all things, and that he stretched forth the heavens alone, and spread abroad the earth by himself. If the Messiah was not YHWH, then please explain how he is credited with creating all things in Colossians 1:16

You said the Son sends the Holy Spirit. Well I agree, but John 14:26 says the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send... Once again the Messiah was both Father and Son, or flesh and Spirit if you will.

He said Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up, speaking of his body. Other verses tell us God raised up the body. How could he say I will raise it up unless he was God?

Colossians 2:8 The fullness of the Godhead dwelt in him bodily. Doesn't that make him God?

Revelation 22:12-13 He said he was coming quickly and that he was the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. Doesn't that make him God?
In Isaiah 44:6 YHWH said he was the first and the last, and beside him there was no God. So how can the Messiah be the first and the last unless he is God?
If you were the first and the last to finish in a race, you would have to be the only one in the race.

 

[MJFlores]

Hi MJFlores,

First of all I am not a Trinitarian.

Isaiah 9:6 in prophesy said that the son to be born would also be the mighty God, and the everlasting Father.

Hebrews 2:8 says, But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever

1 Timothy 3:16 God was manifest in the flesh.

Matthew 1:18-20 - v18 - she was found with child of the Holy Spirit, and v20 - for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit, so the Holy Spirit is the Father.

John 4:24 God is a Spirit, and there is only one Spirit per Ephesians 4:4

John 14:7-9 When asked to show them the Father, what did the Messiah say? He said, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me? He that hath seen me hath seen the Father.

The Father is the eternal Spirit, the son is the flesh. He said I and my Father are one. John 10:30 Then they took up stones to kill him because they said he was making himself out to be God.

Isaiah 44:24 says that YHWH made all things, and that he stretched forth the heavens alone, and spread abroad the earth by himself. If the Messiah was not YHWH, then please explain how he is credited with creating all things in Colossians 1:16

You said the Son sends the Holy Spirit. Well I agree, but John 14:26 says the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send... Once again the Messiah was both Father and Son, or flesh and Spirit if you will.

He said Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up, speaking of his body. Other verses tell us God raised up the body. How could he say I will raise it up unless he was God?

Colossians 2:8 The fullness of the Godhead dwelt in him bodily. Doesn't that make him God?

Revelation 22:12-13 He said he was coming quickly and that he was the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. Doesn't that make him God?
In Isaiah 44:6 YHWH said he was the first and the last, and beside him there was no God. So how can the Messiah be the first and the last unless he is God?
If you were the first and the last to finish in a race, you would have to be the only one in the race.

Wonderful verses.
I used to be a Catholic so that is Nicene [Turkey Nicaea Creed] but not anymore.

Let us examine each verses and leave no stone unturned.

For the first verse, I would be using a Catholic version of the Bible so the translation would be from the Trinitarians. My emphasis would be in red and enlarged.

Isaiah 9:6 New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (NRSVCE)

For a child has been born for us,
a son given to us;
authority rests upon his shoulders;
and he is named
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

My questions here are as follows:

• Was a god been born for us?
• Was a father given to us?

What is a child?

noun: child; plural noun: children
a young human being below the age of puberty or below the legal age of majority.

That child, a son is named
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

This is the Lord Jesus Christ right? Now is he the Mighty God or just called Mighty God? In another version of the Bible made by Catholics - the Good News Translation this is how it is written:

Isaiah 9:6 Good News Translation (GNT)
A child is born to us!
A son is given to us!
And he will be our ruler.
He will be called, “Wonderful Counselor,”
“Mighty God,” “Eternal Father,”
“Prince of Peace.”

There is a lot of difference between being called Mighty God and being Mighty God.

The Lord Jesus Christ is human while God is not human. - and the Catholic translation puts it this way:

Numbers 23:19 New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (NRSVCE)
God is not a human being, that he should lie,
or a mortal, that he should change his mind.
Has he promised, and will he not do it?
Has he spoken, and will he not fulfill it?

While a child is a young human being below the age of puberty or below the legal age of majority.
If God is not a human being - what is the nature of God? The Lord Jesus Christ said this about God:

John 4:24 New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (NRSVCE)
God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.”

The Lord Jesus Christ is a human being
God is not a human being
The Lord Jesus Christ have flesh and bones
A spirit has no flesh and bones
The Lord Jesus Christ isn't God

Luke 24:39 New King James Version (NKJV)
Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have.”

 

[MJFlores]

Hebrews 2:8 says, But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever

This must be Heb 1:8 instead of Heb 2:8 as referenced. Lets use another Catholic version of the Bible:

Hebrews 1:7-9 Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)
And to the angels indeed he saith: He that maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.

But to the Son: Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of justice is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Thou hast loved justice, and hated iniquity: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

Comments: I have seen these verses a couple of times in a couple of versions of the Bible. But there is a Bible version which has a correct translation for this verses. The funny and strange things come to my mind when examining this verses - it was intentionally twisted to support trinitarianism but fails in many aspects.

• If the Father called the Son, God then we will have two [2] Gods but we know that God is ONE.
• If the Son is God, why then the Son have a God?
  
• And by the way, where is the Holy Spirit? Did the Father also called the Holy Spirit as God and have a throne?
• From the so called third persona of the trinity - the Holy Spirit seems to be awfully quiet don't you think?

What version then would be more reasonable and logical in giving justice to Hebrews 1:7-9?

Hebrews 1:7-9 New World Translation (NWT)
7 Also, he says about the angels: “He makes his angels spirits, and his ministers*+ a flame of fire.”+ 8 But about the Son, he says: “God is your throne+ forever and ever, and the scepter of your Kingdom is the scepter of uprightness.* 9 You loved righteousness, and you hated lawlessness. That is why God, your God, anointed you+ with the oil of exultation more than your companions.”+

Luke 22:67-69 New International Version (NIV)
“If you are the Messiah,” they said, “tell us.”

Jesus answered, “If I tell you, you will not believe me, and if I asked you, you would not answer. But from now on, the Son of Man will be seated at the right hand of the mighty God.”

If Jesus is God, why did he answered that he will be seated at the right hand of the mighty God? Therefore Jesus isn't God otherwise he won't be seated at the right hand of the mighty God.

The rest of your verses, maybe tomorrow [lack of time today]

 

[The Anointed]

This must be Heb 1:8 instead of Heb 2:8 as referenced. Lets use another Catholic version of the Bible:

Hebrews 1:7-9 Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)
And to the angels indeed he saith: He that maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.

But to the Son: Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of justice is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Thou hast loved justice, and hated iniquity: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

Comments: I have seen these verses a couple of times in a couple of versions of the Bible. But there is a Bible version which has a correct translation for this verses. The funny and strange things come to my mind when examining this verses - it was intentionally twisted to support trinitarianism but fails in many aspects.

• If the Father called the Son, God then we will have two [2] Gods but we know that God is ONE.
• If the Son is God, why then the Son have a God?
  
• And by the way, where is the Holy Spirit? Did the Father also called the Holy Spirit as God and have a throne?
• From the so called third persona of the trinity - the Holy Spirit seems to be awfully quiet don't you think?

What version then would be more reasonable and logical in giving justice to Hebrews 1:7-9?

Hebrews 1:7-9 New World Translation (NWT)
7 Also, he says about the angels: “He makes his angels spirits, and his ministers*+ a flame of fire.”+ 8 But about the Son, he says: “God is your throne+ forever and ever, and the scepter of your Kingdom is the scepter of uprightness.* 9 You loved righteousness, and you hated lawlessness. That is why God, your God, anointed you+ with the oil of exultation more than your companions.”+

Luke 22:67-69 New International Version (NIV)
“If you are the Messiah,” they said, “tell us.”

Jesus answered, “If I tell you, you will not believe me, and if I asked you, you would not answer. But from now on, the Son of Man will be seated at the right hand of the mighty God.”

If Jesus is God, why did he answered that he will be seated at the right hand of the mighty God? Therefore Jesus isn't God otherwise he won't be seated at the right hand of the mighty God.

The rest of your verses, maybe tomorrow [lack of time today]

If Jesus is God, why did he say to Mary Magdalene in John 20: 17; "Go and tell my brothers that I am ascending to him who is my Father and their Father my God and their God?"

Case closed. Jesus is not the MOST HIGH in the creation, but he has been placed in the throne of the Most High, until the Father brings all, to kneel at his feet, then all authority will be handed back to he who is our father and our God.

The SON OF MAN, is the MOST HIGH to develop within the LOGOS God, who is the divine reality of the universe, the eternal spirit from which all being originates and to which all must return, and Just as mankind developed within the bodies of our animal ancestors, so too, it is the SON OF MAN, who develops within the great pregnant androgynous body of EVE, who descends from the heights of time and pays the death penalty for the sins of the body in which he developed.

For we must all be held accountable for the sins of our flesh.

 

[MJFlores]

If Jesus is God, why did he say to Mary Magdalene in John 20: 17; "Go and tell my brothers that I am ascending to him who is my Father and their Father my God and their God?"

Case closed. Jesus is not the MOST HIGH in the creation, but he has been placed in the throne of the Most High, until the Father brings all, to kneel at his feet, then all authority will be handed back to he who is our father and our God.

The SON OF MAN, is the MOST HIGH to develop within the LOGOS God, who is the divine reality of the universe, the eternal spirit from which all being originates and to which all must return, and Just as mankind developed within the bodies of our animal ancestors, so too, it is the SON OF MAN, who develops within the great pregnant androgynous body of EVE, who descends from the heights of time and pays the death penalty for the sins of the body in which he developed.

For we must all be held accountable for the sins of our flesh.

Your first and second paragraph are OK but your third paragraph should be thoroughly reviewed. Thanks.

 

[YeshuaRedeemed]

I am not wanting to offend anyone. Tell me what I need to do to improve my evidenciary skills.

 

[TrueBeliever37]

Wonderful verses.
I used to be a Catholic so that is Nicene [Turkey Nicaea Creed] but not anymore.

Let us examine each verses and leave no stone unturned.

For the first verse, I would be using a Catholic version of the Bible so the translation would be from the Trinitarians. My emphasis would be in red and enlarged.

Isaiah 9:6 New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (NRSVCE)

For a child has been born for us,
a son given to us;
authority rests upon his shoulders;
and he is named
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

My questions here are as follows:

• Was a god been born for us?
• Was a father given to us?

What is a child?

noun: child; plural noun: children
a young human being below the age of puberty or below the legal age of majority.

That child, a son is named
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

This is the Lord Jesus Christ right? Now is he the Mighty God or just called Mighty God? In another version of the Bible made by Catholics - the Good News Translation this is how it is written:

Isaiah 9:6 Good News Translation (GNT)
A child is born to us!
A son is given to us!
And he will be our ruler.
He will be called, “Wonderful Counselor,”
“Mighty God,” “Eternal Father,”
“Prince of Peace.”

There is a lot of difference between being called Mighty God and being Mighty God.

The Lord Jesus Christ is human while God is not human. - and the Catholic translation puts it this way:

Numbers 23:19 New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (NRSVCE)
God is not a human being, that he should lie,
or a mortal, that he should change his mind.
Has he promised, and will he not do it?
Has he spoken, and will he not fulfill it?

While a child is a young human being below the age of puberty or below the legal age of majority.
If God is not a human being - what is the nature of God? The Lord Jesus Christ said this about God:

John 4:24 New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (NRSVCE)
God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.”

The Lord Jesus Christ is a human being
God is not a human being
The Lord Jesus Christ have flesh and bones
A spirit has no flesh and bones
The Lord Jesus Christ isn't God

Luke 24:39 New King James Version (NKJV)
Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have.”

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You're really stretching it to say he would be called the mighty God, and everlasting Father, but not be the mighty God or everlasting Father.

Yes, God is a Spirit, and he didn't have blood to shed for man's sins, so he took on a fleshly body. That doesn't mean God turned into a man. He veiled himself in a fleshly body.
The question is who was it that was in that body?

God was in the Messiah, reconciling the world to himself.
The fullness of the Godhead dwelt in him bodily.
He said, the Father that dwelleth in me he does the works.
If you have seen me you have seen the Father.

 

[The Anointed]

Moses asked God for his name in order that he might be able to tell the Israelites in Egypt, who had sent him. And God said; Exodus 3: 14; "I Am Who I Am/YHVH." You must tell them: 'The one who is called "I AM/JHVH" has sent me to you.' Tell the Israelites that I, the Lord, the God of their ancestors, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, have sent you to them.

Deuteronomy 18: 18; YHVH, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, says to Moses; "I will send them a prophet like you from among their own people; I will put my words into his mouth, and he will tell the people everything I command. And whoever will not heed MY words that he will speak in my name, I will punish.

Peter confirms that Jesus was that man, when in reference to Jesus he says in, Acts 3: 22; For Moses said; "The Lord your God will send you a prophet, Just as he sent me, and he will be one of your own people, etc."

Did the people of his day believe that he was the Lord, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The God of our ancestors? No, they did not, for on the day of his triumphant entry into Jerusalem, the people escorting him cried out, "BLESSED IS HE WHO COMES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD." Verifying that they believed Jesus to be the one that God had promised that he would choose from among the Israelites and send to the people to speak in his name.

John 5: 24; "Whoever hears my words, (Which words the Lord put into his mouth) and believes in “HIM” who sent me, has eternal life.

Who did Jesus say that we must believe on to inherit eternal life?

Acts 3: 13; "The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of your ancestors, has given glory to his servant Jesus.

Acts 3:19; “Repent then and turn to God, (Not to Jesus, but to God) so that He (God) will forgive your sins. If you do, times of spiritual strength will come from the Lord, and He will send Jesus, who is the Messiah that he has already CHOSEN for you. The man Jesus, was chosen and made both Lord and saviour by “Who I Am”. Acts 3:13; The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our ancestors has given divine glory to his servant Jesus.

Isaiah 42: 1; The Lord says, “Here is my servant, whom I strengthen—the one I have chosen, with whom I am pleased. I have filled him with my spirit, and he will bring justice to the every Nation.

In reference to Jesus, Matthew 12: 18; “Here is my servant, whom I have chosen, the one I love, and with whom I am pleased. I will send my spirit upon him and He will announce my judgment to the Nations, etc.

John 20: 17; Go and tell by brothers that I am ascending to my Father and their Father, to my God and their God.

The word of God can evolve, to greater heights and brightness as he reveals himself to us through the creation by which he is made manifest. But we must begin with the seed from the word of God and watch it grow into the greater light, which will reveal all truth.

For if we begin with rubbish and take our seed from the myths of immortal alien life forms siring hybrid heros from mortal mothers, we will witness the plant that evolves from that lie, shrivel up and die in the blazing light of the evolving truth of God’s word.

If those who are confined to the few books which the universal church of Constantine advises all her poor deceived children to remain in, and not go beyond the boundary that she has set, they will remain trapped in the dungeons of darkness that her lies have created, and the growing light cannot penetrate that darkness.

Jesus was raised from the dead on the first day of the week after Passover, which is the Feast of "First fruits." The first to be born son of God, not by blood nor by the will of the flesh, nor by the will of man but by the spirit of the Lord our God that descended upon him in the form of a dove as the heavenly voice was heard to say, "You are my Son, THIS DAY, I have begotten thee."

Jesus is the firstborn, the first fruits to be harvested from the body of man, the first of many brothers and sisters to be raised from the dead, the first of many brothers and sisters to be conformed to the image of God’s only begotten son, the first to win the victory and to receive a share of the glorious immortal body of light, which is that of our heavenly saviour, which body of light is torn asunder and poured out as little tongues of fire on the heads of all those who believed his words as spoken through his servant "Jesus" for our salvation.

In his new glorious body of brilliant and blinding light, He, on the road to Damascus, answered Saul's question, "Who are you Lord?" with these words, "I am Jesus of Nazareth whom you persecute."

And Jesus our brother, was given divine glory [See Acts 3: 13.] and is now incontestably divine and sits in the throne of our Father, [See Revelation 3: 21.] and all the chosen ones who have born the IMAGE of the first Adam, shall also bear the IMAGE of Jesus, "The Second Adam," (in the eternal process of change/evolution, for mankind does not close the chapter in the book of evolution) a new creation of androgynous bodies of Glorious and blinding Light that is the new Temple of our Lord which is to replace God’s old tabernacle (Mankind) as the ruler on this earth of all creation.

First, MAN (man ('enosh') in English, mortal human beings) was created a little lower than the angels, then he is crowned with glory and all creation is placed beneath his feet. All creation is placed beneath the feet of 'MAN' (man ('enosh) in English, mortal human beings) WHO IS CROWNED WITH GLORY, we have not yet seen this happen. But we have seen Jesus, the first born from the dead, who has won the victory and was given divine glory by our heavenly Father and saviour, and now sits in His heavenly throne of Godhead: and who, in Revelation 3: 21; invites those, who win the victory also, to sit with him in our Father"s throne of Godhead within the creation. And all creation Visible and invisible, which, according to Paul, includes even the angels, will bow at their feet.

Whose words were these in reference to the body of Jesus which had been filled by the spirit=information=words of the Lord which had descended upon him in the form of a dove? “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up?”

They were the words that Jesus was commanded to say by “Who I Am,” who raised the body of Jesus, the earthly temple, which had been filled with his spirit.

Acts 5: 30; The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom you slew and hanged on a tree.

Acts 13: 30; But God raised him from the dead: and he was seen many days of them which came up with him from Galilee, etc.

1st Corinthians 6: 14; And God has both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power.

2nd Corinthians 1: 9; But we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not trust in ourselves, but in God which raiseth the dead.

2nd Corinthians 4: 14; knowing that he who raised the Lord Jesus will raise us also with Jesus and bring us with you into his presence.

Acts 17: 31; For the Lord has fixed a day in which he will judge the whole world with justice by means of a MAN that he has CHOSEN. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising that MAN from death.

_________________________It was the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, who said through his obedient servant Jesus; “Destroy this Temple and in three days I will raise it up.”

 

[TrueBeliever37]

Whose words were these in reference to the body of Jesus which had been filled by the spirit=information=words of the Lord which had descended upon him in the form of a dove? “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up?”

They were the words that Jesus was commanded to say by “Who I Am,” who raised the body of Jesus, the earthly temple, which had been filled with his spirit.

Acts 5: 30; The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom you slew and hanged on a tree.

Acts 13: 30; But God raised him from the dead: and he was seen many days of them which came up with him from Galilee, etc.

1st Corinthians 6: 14; And God has both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power.

2nd Corinthians 1: 9; But we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not trust in ourselves, but in God which raiseth the dead.

2nd Corinthians 4: 14; knowing that he who raised the Lord Jesus will raise us also with Jesus and bring us with you into his presence.

Acts 17: 31; For the Lord has fixed a day in which he will judge the whole world with justice by means of a MAN that he has CHOSEN. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising that MAN from death.

_________________________It was the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, who said through his obedient servant Jesus; “Destroy this Temple and in three days I will raise it up.”

The reason he said it was because it was YHWH dwelling in that body. YHWH was saying, you destroy this body and in 3 days I will raise it up.

 

[TrueBeliever37]

If the Father called the Son, God then we will have two [2] Gods but we know that God is ONE.

• If the Son is God, why then the Son have a God?
  
• And by the way, where is the Holy Spirit? Did the Father also called the Holy Spirit as God and have a throne?
• From the so called third persona of the trinity - the Holy Spirit seems to be awfully quiet don't you think?

What version then would be more reasonable and logical in giving justice to Hebrews 1:7-9?

Hebrews 1:7-9 New World Translation (NWT)
7 Also, he says about the angels: “He makes his angels spirits, and his ministers*+ a flame of fire.”+ 8 But about the Son, he says: “God is your throne+ forever and ever, and the scepter of your Kingdom is the scepter of uprightness.* 9 You loved righteousness, and you hated lawlessness. That is why God, your God, anointed you+ with the oil of exultation more than your companions.”+

YHWH is the God of all flesh, even that flesh. To be the perfect sacrifice the flesh had to be obedient to the law in all ways. Flesh has weaknesses, it had to yield to the Spirit. that's why the flesh said not my will, but thine be done.

The Father is the eternal Spirit, and he called the fleshly body he took on the Son. YHWH was dwelling in that body. The fleshly body was that of a man, or it couldn't be tempted, or be killed. That's the reason the flesh cried out to the Spirit for strength to overcome. God took on an image, he took on a body. The fleshly body itself was like ours, it could be tempted, and get sick, and thirsty, and hungry, and shed blood.

As far as the NWT verse you give, surely you don't think the Son is going to use God as a throne to sit on, do you?

The Holy Spirit is the Father. Matthew 1:18-20 God is a Spirit. John 4:24 And there is only one Spirit. Ephesians 4:4 Surely you believe the Spirit of God is holy.
God said he would pour out his Spirit on all flesh. Joel 2:28 and Acts 2:16-18 His Spirit is the Holy Spirit. God said he would dwell in his people. 2 Corinthians 6:16
Remember, God is a Spirit, and there is only one Spirit, and God is holy. It's him, it's his holy Spirit he fills people with. (It's not another person)

John 14:26 says the Comforter is the Holy Spirit. The Messiah said in John 14:17-18 I will not leave you comfortless, I will come to you. The Spirit dwelling in him was telling them he was dwelling with them and would soon be in them.