The Anointed
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74x12 wrote……430 years according to the Hebrew text. And also the Septuagint agrees. So what evidence do you have to propose that the Hebrew and the Septuagint are both incorrect?
The Anointed…… The Septuagint does not agree with the Hebrew text which states that Israel was in the land of Egypt for 430 years. The Septuagint states that the sojourning of the children of Israel, while they sojourned in the land of Egypt and Canaan was 430 years, this agrees with Paul, who was taught by Gamaliel, one of the premier teachers of the Law in the first century, who says in Galatians 3: 17; “What I mean is that God made a covenant with Abraham and promised to keep it. The law that was given 430 years later, cannot break that covenant and cancel God’s promise.”
So which covenant was Paul referring too?
The covenant made when Abraham was 99, in Genesis 17: 1-2, which was 190 years before Jacob and his family moved into Egypt.
Or was it the covenant that was made in Genesis 15: 18; immediately after which, at the age of 85, Abraham sired his first Son ‘Ishmael’. This was 205 years before Jacob with his family entered Egypt.
Or was it when Abraham was 75 and God made and an agreement with him, Genesis 12: 1; That if he would leave, his country, his relatives and his fathers home and go to the land of Canaan, he promised to give that land to him and his descendants forever. This was 215 years before Israel entered Egypt, and left 215 year later, 430 years after the sojourning of the children of Israel in the land of Egypt and Canaan, when the Lord then gave them the law through his servant Moses.
74x12 wrote…... It [The books of Enoch] was not considered on par by the Jews themselves. They did not include it. Why did Jesus never rebuke them for not including the book of Enoch?
The Anointed…….. Referring to the Jewish authorities and not the Roman church which would not be established by Emperor Constantine until some 300 years after his ascension, Jesus said in reference to Enoch, “The stone that the builders rejected has turned out to be the most important stone of all.”
74x12 wrote……The Jews certainly knew of the book of Enoch. It's fragments are in the dead sea scrolls. But they did not include it in their Tanakh.
The Anointed……. They certainly did know of the book of Enoch, but the authorities of the Jewish church rejected Enoch.
74x12 wrote…… Although it's been admired and cherished by people for thousands of years.
The Anointed……. Not by the authorities of the Jewish church and not by the Roman church who banned it in the fourth century, after which it passed out of circulation and was thought lost for millennia.
74x12 wrote……. Look, I don't deny some of the visions in the book of Enoch are amazing and I believe that some of them were probably true. But to claim the whole book of Enoch is true is naive. The book of Enoch has a lot of good things to say but that doesn't mean the stories in it are all true stories.
The Anointed……. In your opinion.
I 74x12……. I suggest that you be very certain of yourself before proclaiming a gospel of Enoch. Even Paul went back to the Jerusalem church to check his doctrines with the apostles.
The Anointed……. Paul went back to the Jerusalem church of Jesus, whose brother James, sat on the Episcopal throne of that new church, not to the Jewish church, to check his doctrines with the apostles, who taught from the books of Enoch.
Where in the OT that you rely on did Peter learn that the day is coming when this universe is destined to burn up and the heavenly bodies will be melted by the heat and disappear? Nowhere!
But he could have received that information from the Books of Enoch, who was escorted to the ends of time, where he witnessed the heaven burn up and fall as massive columns of fire beyond all measure in height or depth into the Great Abyss [Black Hole] which he described as the prison of all the stars and the host of heaven.
From where do you think that the apostles received the information that the angels who forsook their own original abode and came down and defiled themselves with the daughters of Man, were chained I everlasting darkness until the day of their consummation? Nowhere in your OT. But is to be found in the books of Enoch.
Jude, who is Thomas Didymus Jude, the half-brother of Jesus and James, quoted verbatim from the Books of Enoch,
74x12 wrote……. Although Paul had the holy Spirit and had done great miracles yet he wanted to be extra certain of his many profound revelations. (Galatians 2:2) So how sure are you about all this?
The Anointed……. Stephen, a man most blessed by God, who is said to have performed miracles and who is said to have been filled with the Holy spirit, said in Acts 7: 4; that Abraham didn’t travel to the land of Canaan until after the death of his father, which was wrong, Terah, who sired Abraham when he was 70 years old, was 145 when Abraham, at the age of 75, left him with his other son Nahor, where he died 60 years later at the age of 205. See Genesis 11: 31.
Stephen also said in Acts 7: 15-16; That Jacob went to Egypt where he and his sons died and that their bodies were taken to Shechem and buried in the grave that Abraham had bought from Hamor for a sum of money. Which again is seen to be wrong. Abraham bought the family grave site from Ephron at Macphelah east of Mamre, which is was to the south of Shechem, See Genesis 23: 17, and it was there that Abraham, Sarah, Jacob and his sons were buried, Only the bones of Joseph were taken to Shechem and buried there.
74x12…… Although we love Enoch and think he was a great prophet; yet we don't think Elijah is the Messiah just because he was taken to heaven.
The Anointed……. The Jews do.
Malachi 3: 1-2; The Lord Almighty answers. I will send my messenger to prepare the way for me [Elijah] Then the Lord you are looking for will suddenly come to his Temple, [His earthly host body]. The messenger you long to see will come and proclaim my covenant. But who will be able to endue the day when he comes? Who will be able to survive when he appears?
74x12 wrote……Enoch did not ascend into heaven by his own strength. He was not "for God took him". So Enoch was taken (caught away, raptured).
The Anointed……. Neither did Elijah, who is soon to appear on earth in his chosen earthly host body as did Enoch appear in the body of Jesus, his chosen earthly host body, ‘Temple.’.
In Mark 9: 10; The disciples ask Jesus; “Why do the teachers of the law say that Elijah must come first? Jesus answered… ”Elijah is indeed coming first to get everything ready [Future tense] Yet why do the scriptures say that the Son of Man , will suffer much and be rejected? I tell you, however that Elijah has already come and that people treated him just as they pleased, as the scriptures say about him.” [As the scriptures say about HIM, 'Elijah.']
74x12 wrote……. Jesus is the only One who proved Himself to be the Messiah. When the holy Spirit landed upon Him appearing as a dove that was His Anointing when He began His ministry. Immediately after this event Jesus was driven into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.
The Anointed…… The man Jesus was indeed chosen to be our high priest and King in the order of Melchizedek.
74x12 wrote……. To me Jesus is God and that's revealed in plan black and white in the scriptures. The Ethiopic book of Enoch does not disagree either.
The Anointed……And you are entitled to believe as you will, but as long as you believe the words that the Lord put into the mouth of the man that he chose from among the Israelites and set him to speak in his name, you will be saved.