Is Jesus the God of the Bible? Introductory and other evidence.

[The Anointed]

Sorry, I've read the Ethoipic Enoch quite a few times and Enoch is shown the Son of man more than once. And the Son of man is not an angel or Enoch himself. I don't believe you got it right at all.

Jesus the Son of man is One with God. He's not the lesser YHVH. In fact there is only One YHVH as true believer points out.

Not even the angels can ascend and descend between heaven and earth. Jacob saw them going up and down upon a ladder. This ladder was likely symbolic: they cannot do it by their own power, but only by the power of God. Jacob named that place Bethel, which means the House of God, and said that place was the gate of heaven. Then he anointed the rock that was his pillow with oil. (Genesis 28:12-18)

In Proverbs 30:4 it is clear that only God can descend and ascend by His own power. In John 3:13 we see that the Son of Man (Jesus Christ) is the only one who has done this. Therefore, this proves that Jesus is God the Father. Because Prov 30:4 makes clear it is the Father of the Son that ascends and descends. So the answer to the riddle in Prov 30:4 is that the name of the Father and the Son are one and the same and it is Jesus. And, I tell you something else: to ascend into heaven, He must first descend into the earth. (John 6:62, Ephesians 4:9)

In John 1:51, Jesus identifies Himself with the Bethel of Jacob. For He claims that they would see angels ascending and descending upon Him. In other words, Jesus is the ladder that the angels use, and He is the gate of heaven. And no one can ascend or descend but by His power. Furthermore, Jesus is Beth El (the House of God, or the living temple of God. John 2:19) and He is the rock (Daniel 2:34) that was anointed. (Acts 10:38) Which means He is the anointed one of God. (the Messiah) Jesus symbolized as a pillow because He is the rest. (Matthew 11:29)

So Jesus is not the "lesser YHVH" or Enoch. Jesus is YHVH!

The man Jesus who was chosen from among the Israelite, to speak in the name of 'Who I Am,' who put his words into the mouth of his obedient servant Jesus, was a 100% human being, born of the human parents Mary and her half brother Joseph, who were both sired by Heli/Alexander Helios III.

He was born Son of God on the day of his baptism, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of the spirit of our Lord and savior, the SON OF MAN, which descended upon him in the form of a dove as the heavenly voice was heard to say, "You are my son, THIS DAY I have begotten thee." See Luke 3: 22.

Spiritual beings do not have the animal power of reproduction, and must choose their heir and successor, Just as the MOST HIGH in the creation had chosen Enoch as his heir and the successor to the throne of the MOST HIGH in the creation. And it was HE, the only exception of all mankind to have ascended to the tenth heaven and anointed as the heir to the throne of Godhead within the eternal LOGOS, who was to offer up his immortal life for the sinful body of mankind, in which HE 'The Son of Man' had developed, who chose Jesus as his heir and successor.

The man Jesus, the obedient servant, who was given divine glory by 'Who I Am,' the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, See Acts 3: 13; is now incontestably divine and sits in the throne of our Father, and in Revelation 3: 21; invites all, who like himself, are able to win the victory over the ruler of this world to sit beside him in the throne of our Father, where they shall judge even the angels.

You say that you have read the Ethoipic Enoch quite a few times, therefore you should be able to reveal to all, just who or what Azazel is.

Moses, who had been a prince in Egypt, the grandson of Pharaoh, gave to his brother Aaron the regulations for the new church of Israel, and In Leviticus chapter 16 ; Aaron was to choose two goats, one for the Lord, the other for Azazel.

The goat for the Lord was sacrificed as a sin offering, whereas the scapegoat that was chosen for Azazel, Aaron would lay his hands on its head, symbolically transferring the sins of Israel onto the goat which was then sent out into the wilderness to Azazel.

In the margins of the Good News Bible Catholic Study Edition, it is written in reference to Azazel...….."The meaning of this Hebrew name is unknown, it may be the name of a desert demon."

You can now reveal to the catholics just who Azazel is.

 

[TrueBeliever37]

The oldest COPIES of the Book of Enoch, dating from the third century BCE, were discovered among the Dead Sea Scrolls

Among the Dead Sea Scrolls were a number of manuscripts of the Apocrypha and Pseudepigrapha, including ten manuscripts of the Book of Enoch in the original Aramaic (until then copies were extant only in an Ethiopic translation of a Greek translation of a Semitic original), which were vital to answering many questions about its origins. Dating of the manuscripts by their script shows that certain parts of Enoch are at least as old as the third century BCE.

I believe, and will later reveal, that there is ample evidence to support the belief that the original Books of Enoch, the latest COPIES of which were discovered among the Dead Sea scrolls, date back much earlier than the 5th century, and that the originals were taken from Egypt, the land of first born, by Moses.

Genesis 5: 23; Enoch was 365 and had spent his life in fellowship with God when he disappeared because God had Taken him.

Hebrews 11: 5; "By faith Enoch was Translated (To change from one form to another) so that he should not experience death; and he was not found, because God had Translated him.

Enoch, the most important man in the OT and the NT, and yet he has been rejected by both the Jewish church and the Roman church of Emperor Constantine.

"The Book of the Secrets of Enoch" 22: 8; "And I fell prone and bowed down to the Lord, and the Lord with his lips said to me: "Have courage, Enoch, do not fear, arise and stand before my face into eternity."

And the archistratiege Michael lifted me up, and led me before the Lord"s face.

[Archistratege. Or, "the commander of the armies of the nations, named Michael."]

And the Most High, (who held the ransom blood of righteous Abel, which could save but one man) said to the glorious creatures that surrounded him, tempting them: "Let Enoch stand before my face into eternity," and the glorious creatures bowed down to the Lord, and said: "Let Enoch go [Or be released] according to Thy word." Enoch, was the first to be released.

The Great and glorious simulacrum which is the sacrifice that God has prepared for us, and the blue-print of the new Temple of God [The glorious incorruptible bodies of Light] which is to replace his old temporary earthly tabernacle/tent [The Body of Mankind] as the ruler of the creation, of which Enoch was the chosen cornerstone, dies in the process of involution, to be the saviour of we in evolution, This he does by releasing all the righteous spirits on which he had evolved, from the least to the greatest, and Enoch was the first, the cornerstone to which the righteous dead were gathered.

And the Lord said to Michael: "Go take Enoch from out his earthly garments, and anoint him with my sweet ointment, and put him into the garments of my glory." [Enoch, is the one who was anointed as the successor to the MOST HIGH in the creation, Enoch is CHRIST=The anointed one]

And Michael did thus as the Lord told him. He anointed me, and dressed me, and the appearance of that ointment is more than the great light, and his ointment is like sweet dew, and its smell mild, shining like the sun’s rays, and I looked at myself, and was like one of his glorious ones.

365, is the number of days in a calendar year. The Lamb of God who takes on the sins of the world is to be a one year old unblemished Lamb. Enoch the anointed one, is the unblemished Lamb of God.

Sandalphon is an archangel in Jewish and Christian writings. Sandalphon figures prominently in the mystical literary traditions of Rabbinic Judaism and early Christianity, notably in the Midrash, Talmud, and Kabbalah.

Some of the earliest sources on Sandalphon refer to him as the prophet Elijah transfigured and elevated to angelic status. Other sources (mainly from the midrashic period) describe him as the "twin brother" of Metatron, whose human origin as Enoch was similar to the human origin of Sandalphon.

Metatron is also mentioned in the Pseudepigrapha, most prominently in the Hebrew Book of Enoch (also called Third Enoch), in which his grand title, "The lesser YHVH" resurfaces. It is also said that Metatron. The anointed one=CHRIST, was the angel who guided Israel through the wilderness.

The Lesser JHWH, The Son of God and equal to God, who was chosen by Abraham as his God.

Jesus, who was filled with the spirit of the Lord that descended upon him in the form of a dove, as the heavenly voice was heard to say, "You are my son, this day I have begotten thee," said to Nicodemus, "And no man has ascended to heaven 'EXCEPT,' he who came down, even the Son of Man who 'IS' in heaven.

Christ is the English term for the Greek (Khristós) meaning "the anointed one" It is a translation of the Hebrew (Māšîaḥ), usually transliterated into English as Messiah or Mashiach. The Hebrew word translated "anointed" is the verb form of the noun "Messiah."

The reason this is not included with our scriptures, was because it was deemed to be false. Reason being it is in definite conflict with scriptures we know to be true. Such as Deuteronomy 6:4

But as always, you are free to believe anything you choose.

 

[The Anointed]

The reason this is not included with our scriptures, was because it was deemed to be false. Reason being it is in definite conflict with scriptures we know to be true. Such as Deuteronomy 6:4

But as always, you are free to believe anything you choose.

The books of Enoch, from which Jesus and his apostles quoted, were cherished by the earlier Christians up until the 4th century, when they were banned by such dogmatic authorities of the Church of Emperor Constantine as Jerome, Hilary and Augustine and finally passed out of circulation and were thought lost for millennia.

As mentioned in a previous post: Moses, who had been a prince in Egypt, the grandson of Pharaoh, gave to his brother Aaron the regulations for the new church of Israel, and In Leviticus chapter 16 ; Aaron was to choose two goats, one for the Lord, the other for Azazel.

The goat for the Lord was sacrificed as a sin offering, whereas the scapegoat that was chosen for Azazel, Aaron would lay his hands on its head, symbolically transferring the sins of Israel onto the goat which was then sent out into the wilderness to Azazel.

In the margins of the Good News Bible Catholic Study Edition, it is written in reference to Azazel...….."The meaning of this Hebrew name is unknown, it may be the name of a desert demon."

Perhaps you can now reveal to the catholics, just who Azazel is, as 74x12, appears to have opted out of the debate..

 

[TrueBeliever37]

The books of Enoch, from which Jesus and his apostles quoted, were cherished by the earlier Christians up until the 4th century, when they were banned by such dogmatic authorities of the Church of Emperor Constantine as Jerome, Hilary and Augustine and finally passed out of circulation and were thought lost for millennia.

As mentioned in a previous post: Moses, who had been a prince in Egypt, the grandson of Pharaoh, gave to his brother Aaron the regulations for the new church of Israel, and In Leviticus chapter 16 ; Aaron was to choose two goats, one for the Lord, the other for Azazel.

The goat for the Lord was sacrificed as a sin offering, whereas the scapegoat that was chosen for Azazel, Aaron would lay his hands on its head, symbolically transferring the sins of Israel onto the goat which was then sent out into the wilderness to Azazel.

In the margins of the Good News Bible Catholic Study Edition, it is written in reference to Azazel...….."The meaning of this Hebrew name is unknown, it may be the name of a desert demon."

Perhaps you can now reveal to the catholics, just who Azazel is, as 74x12, appears to have opted out of the debate..

I will have to opt out of the debate with you also, as I find some of your source material spurious.

 

[The Anointed]

I will have to opt out of the debate with you also, as I find some of your source material spurious.

Of course! You don't want it revealed that Moses received his religious regulations from the book of Enoch do you?

Moses, who was the adopted grandson of Pharaoh and who would have been afforded the best education in the country, may have been initiated into the circle of the guardians of the sacred secrets.

Moses took the bread or the sacred teachings of Egypt [The land of First Born] and removed the yeast and gave to the children of Israel the regulations, rules and laws, that the Israelites were to keep for all time. --------- In one of the religious regulations established by Moses, Aaron would place his hand upon the head of a scapegoat, symbolically transferring the sins of Israel to the goat, which was then sent out into the wilderness to Azazel. What or who, is this Azazel?

According to the ancient writings, it was in the days of Enoch’s Father ‘Jared’, which name means ‘Descending,’ that 200 Sons of God, who Enoch describes as watchers or rather OBSERVERS, descended and introduced into the primitive culture of mankind, technology that was about equivalent to that which had been achieved three thousand years in the future, in the days of the Roman Empire.

The name Jared, means “DESCENDING” see Young’s Analytical Concordance. And in the Pseudepigrapha of the Old Testament, it is written that it was in the days of Jared [The physical father of Enoch] that the Sons of God abandoned their own original habitat and descended and defiled themselves with the daughters of man.

Concerning Azazel, we read in the Book of Enoch the prophet, chapter 9 to chapter 10; “And Michael said to the heavenly Lord, "Seest what Azazel hath done, who hath taught all unrighteousness on earth and has revealed the eternal secrets which were preserved in heaven, which men were striving to learn. And Semjaza, to whom you have given authority to bear rule over his associates (The other 199 sons of God) and they have gone to the daughters of men upon the earth and have slept with them and revealed to them all kinds of sin etc.

Semjaza, the leader of the observers, taught enchantments, and root cutting, among other sons of God who revealed to the women all kinds of sin, were Armaros, who taught the resolving of enchantments, Baralqual taught astrology, Kokabel the constellations, Ezeqeel the knowledge of the clouds, Araqiel the signs of the earth, Shamsiel the signs of the sun, and Sariel the course of the moon, etc.

But Azazel taught men to make swords, and knives, and shields, and breastplates, and made known to them the metals of the earth and the art of working them, and bracelets, and ornaments, and the use of antimony, and the beautifying of the eyelids, and all kinds of costly stones, and all colouring tintures etc.

The Lord, through his only begotten prophet Enoch, then passed judgment on the angels who had forsaken their own original habitat and came down and defiled themselves with the daughters of men, saying to them; “You have been in heaven, but all the mysteries had not yet been revealed to you, and you knew only worthless ones, and these in the hardness of your hearts you have made known to the women, and through these mysteries women and men work much evil on earth.”

They were then to be bound and cast into the valley of the earth until seventy generations had passed, (Jesus was seventy generations from Enoch, see Luke 3: 23-38) but Azazel was punished separate from the others, See the Book of Enoch the Prophet 10: 4-9; “And again the Lord said to Raphael: Bind Azazel hand and foot, and cast him into the darkness: and make an opening 5) in the desert, which is in Dudael, and cast him therein. And place upon him rough and jagged rocks, and cover him with darkness, and let him abide there for ever, and cover his face that he may 6,7) not see light. And on the day of the great judgement he shall be cast into the fire. And heal the earth which the angels have corrupted, and proclaim the healing of the earth, that they may heal the plague, and that all the children of men may not perish through all the secret things that the 8) Watchers have disclosed and have taught their sons. And the whole earth has been corrupted 9) through the works that were taught by Azazel: to him “ASCRIBE ALL SIN.”

It was from the books of Enoch that Moses gave to his brother Aaron the religious regulation to transfer the sins of Israel to the scapegoat and send it out to Azazel, to whom, “ALL SIN WAS TO BE ASCRIBED.”

In the margins of the Good News Catholic Study Bible, Leviticus 16: which church has rejected Enoch, the chosen cornerstone to who all the spirits of the righteous were gathered in his evolution to become the great heavenly simulacrum, which is the sacrifice that God has prepared for us, there, concerning “Azazel” it is written by the Catholic authors of the GNB; ‘AZAZEL’ “The meaning of this Hebrew word is unknown: it may be the name of a desert demon.” ‘Azazel’ see Leviticus16: 8.

 

[74x12]

he man Jesus who was chosen from among the Israelite, to speak in the name of 'Who I Am,' who put his words into the mouth of his obedient servant Jesus, was a 100% human being, born of the human parents Mary and her half brother Joseph, who were both sired by Heli/Alexander Helios III.

According to the Bible Jesus is literally born of the holy Spirit. Luke 1:35 shows us His true origins. The ancestry of Joseph was only assumed by people. Jesus was truly born of the holy Spirit. So, I can't agree with you on this point.

He was born Son of God on the day of his baptism, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of the spirit of our Lord and savior, the SON OF MAN, which descended upon him in the form of a dove as the heavenly voice was heard to say, "You are my son, THIS DAY I have begotten thee." See Luke 3: 22.

What is a Son of man? A "Son of man" is a Son of Adam. All scripture references of the "Son of man" are prophecies of the Messiah who is born a Son of man. The Son of Adam who would redeem mankind. That is God coming in the very offspring of Adam to save Adam. Jesus came as the new Adam. The new image of God that all must now be remade after. The first pattern was the old Adam. He was broken. The mold was broken. That is because Adam sinned and now whoever is made in his image is also born with a sinful nature. But the 2nd Adam came (who is the Lord from heaven) to remake us after His own image. He is not Enoch, He is the King of glory. He is YHVH the most High God. So then no wonder God said "Let US make man in OUR image" because God is speaking through the ages to the Messiah who is really God manifest. God manifest has come to make us again into His own image who have been corrupted.

"Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee." (Psalm 2:7) It's actually about the resurrection according to Acts 13:33. Not the baptism. The resurrection of Jesus from the dead means that Jesus is the "firstborn from the dead". (Colossians 1:18) So I think you're slightly mistaken attributing Psalm 2:7 to the baptism instead of the resurrection.

However the baptism is an important part of Jesus' ministry because it's the moment when He is truly anointed with the holy Spirit. Making Him indeed the "Messiah" the Anointed One of God. (John 1:32, Mark 1:10, Matthew 3:16) So good catch on noticing it's importance. It is important, but it's ultimately not what Psalm 2:7 is specifically about.

Spiritual beings do not have the animal power of reproduction, and must choose their heir and successor, Just as the MOST HIGH in the creation had chosen Enoch as his heir and the successor to the throne of the MOST HIGH in the creation. And it was HE, the only exception of all mankind to have ascended to the tenth heaven and anointed as the heir to the throne of Godhead within the eternal LOGOS, who was to offer up his immortal life for the sinful body of mankind, in which HE 'The Son of Man' had developed, who chose Jesus as his heir and successor.

God apparently does have the power of reproduction because the scripture calls Him the "Father of spirits". (Hebrews 12:9) So every "spirit" is; at some point originating with God who is the Father of spirits.

The idea that Enoch is the Messiah is contradicted in more than one verse that makes it clear that the Messiah's origins are from eternity. He was "I Am" before the world began. And we can show various scriptures that prove it. John 1:1 is a good one because according to it, the "Word" (Who is the Messiah) was there from the beginning. In John 1:14 we find that the "Word" was made flesh. So the Word existed first and then the Word became flesh. Your idea that Enoch was made into the Word is the exact opposite.

The man Jesus, the obedient servant, who was given divine glory by 'Who I Am,' the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, See Acts 3: 13; is now incontestably divine and sits in the throne of our Father, and in Revelation 3: 21; invites all, who like himself, are able to win the victory over the ruler of this world to sit beside him in the throne of our Father, where they shall judge even the angels.

He always was incontestably Divine. Isaiah 9:6 shows us He is the mighty God, the Everlasting Father.

You say that you have read the Ethoipic Enoch quite a few times, therefore you should be able to reveal to all, just who or what Azazel is.

Moses, who had been a prince in Egypt, the grandson of Pharaoh, gave to his brother Aaron the regulations for the new church of Israel, and In Leviticus chapter 16 ; Aaron was to choose two goats, one for the Lord, the other for Azazel.

The goat for the Lord was sacrificed as a sin offering, whereas the scapegoat that was chosen for Azazel, Aaron would lay his hands on its head, symbolically transferring the sins of Israel onto the goat which was then sent out into the wilderness to Azazel.

In the margins of the Good News Bible Catholic Study Edition, it is written in reference to Azazel...….."The meaning of this Hebrew name is unknown, it may be the name of a desert demon."

You can now reveal to the catholics just who Azazel is.

Azazel in the book of Enoch was one of the ring leaders of the rebellious angels who came down to marry earth women and taught humans how to make weapons of war and other things. In the book of Enoch all sin is ascribed to Azazel. But is that because it really happened or did the Jews make this apart up because what is written of the scapegoat in the Torah? It's hard to tell which came first. I don't believe you should base your doctrines off the book of Enoch. Although I like the book of Enoch myself, I think you should stick with the scriptures and only use the book of Enoch to support or supplement your doctrine. When it comes to one or the other then always side with the holy Bible. That's the most trustworthy documents we have. They didn't include Enoch on purpose because it is not considered on par.

 

[The Anointed]

According to the Bible Jesus is literally born of the holy Spirit. Luke 1:35 shows us His true origins. The ancestry of Joseph was only assumed by people. Jesus was truly born of the holy Spirit. So, I can't agree with you on this point.


What is a Son of man? A "Son of man" is a Son of Adam. All scripture references of the "Son of man" are prophecies of the Messiah who is born a Son of man. The Son of Adam who would redeem mankind. That is God coming in the very offspring of Adam to save Adam. Jesus came as the new Adam. The new image of God that all must now be remade after. The first pattern was the old Adam. He was broken. The mold was broken. That is because Adam sinned and now whoever is made in his image is also born with a sinful nature. But the 2nd Adam came (who is the Lord from heaven) to remake us after His own image. He is not Enoch, He is the King of glory. He is YHVH the most High God. So then no wonder God said "Let US make man in OUR image" because God is speaking through the ages to the Messiah who is really God manifest. God manifest has come to make us again into His own image who have been corrupted.

"Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee." (Psalm 2:7) It's actually about the resurrection according to Acts 13:33. Not the baptism. The resurrection of Jesus from the dead means that Jesus is the "firstborn from the dead". (Colossians 1:18) So I think you're slightly mistaken attributing Psalm 2:7 to the baptism instead of the resurrection.

However the baptism is an important part of Jesus' ministry because it's the moment when He is truly anointed with the holy Spirit. Making Him indeed the "Messiah" the Anointed One of God. (John 1:32, Mark 1:10, Matthew 3:16) So good catch on noticing it's importance. It is important, but it's ultimately not what Psalm 2:7 is specifically about.


God apparently does have the power of reproduction because the scripture calls Him the "Father of spirits". (Hebrews 12:9) So every "spirit" is; at some point originating with God who is the Father of spirits.

The idea that Enoch is the Messiah is contradicted in more than one verse that makes it clear that the Messiah's origins are from eternity. He was "I Am" before the world began. And we can show various scriptures that prove it. John 1:1 is a good one because according to it, the "Word" (Who is the Messiah) was there from the beginning. In John 1:14 we find that the "Word" was made flesh. So the Word existed first and then the Word became flesh. Your idea that Enoch was made into the Word is the exact opposite.


He always was incontestably Divine. Isaiah 9:6 shows us He is the mighty God, the Everlasting Father.


Azazel in the book of Enoch was one of the ring leaders of the rebellious angels who came down to marry earth women and taught humans how to make weapons of war and other things. In the book of Enoch all sin is ascribed to Azazel. But is that because it really happened or did the Jews make this apart up because what is written of the scapegoat in the Torah? It's hard to tell which came first. I don't believe you should base your doctrines off the book of Enoch. Although I like the book of Enoch myself, I think you should stick with the scriptures and only use the book of Enoch to support or supplement your doctrine. When it comes to one or the other then always side with the holy Bible. That's the most trustworthy documents we have. They didn't include Enoch on purpose because it is not considered on par.

74x12 wrote…. According to the Bible Jesus is literally born of the holy Spirit. Luke 1:35 shows us His true origins. The ancestry of Joseph was only assumed by people. Jesus was truly born of the holy Spirit. So, I can't agree with you on this point.

The Anointed responds…….If Jesus had been born of a virgin as you erroneously suppose, this would have been seen as the greatest of all miracles and would have been shouted from the rooftops by the gospel authors.

But we see that Mark, who is believed to be the son of Peter and John the beloved disciple of Jesus, totally ignore the physical birth of Jesus as being irrelevant to the story of our salvation, and begin their account of the salvation story, with the Baptism of Jesus when he was filled with the spirit of the Lord that descended upon him in the form of a dove as the heavenly voice was heard to say, “You are my Son, this day I have begotten thee.”

Luke states that Jesus was the biological son of Joseph the son of Heli, but those who wished to cast doubt on the physical birth and parentage of the man Jesus, later added the interpolation in brackets (AS WAS SUPPOSED) they also changed Luke 3: 22; which had originally read; “You are my Son, this day I have begotten thee,” to “You are my son in whom I am pleased,” in their attempt to hide the fact that the man Jesus did not become the son of our Lord and saviour, until the day of his baptism when he was born of the spirit of the Lord.

In Luke 3: 22; In place of the Roman corruption, which states; "Thou art my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased" the following authorities of the second, third, and fourth centuries read, "This Day I Have begotten thee," vouched for by Codex D, and the most ancient copies of the old Latin (a, b, c, ff. I), by Justin Martyr (AD 140), Clemens Alex (AD. 190), Methodius (AD. 290), among the Greeks. And among the Latins, Lactatius (AD. 300), Hilary (AD,) Juvencus (AD. 330), Faustus (AD, 400) and Augustine. All these oldest manuscripts were changed completely. They now read, "This is my Son in whom I am well pleased." Whereas the original variant was, "Thou art my Son. THIS DAY I have begotten thee."

Matthew states: “Now all this happened to make what the Lord had said through the prophet come true,” and all modern bible translations now read in Isaiah 7: 14; “An unmarried female who is pregnant will bear a son etc.

The Greek language did not have a specific term for ‘VIRGIN’ the word ‘Parthenos carries a basic meaning of youth, male or female, of marriageable age and denotes ‘virgin’ only by implication.

Luke 1:34 "How will this be," Mary [The 13-14 year old unmarried female=Parthenos] asked the angel, "since I HAVE NEVER KNOWN A MAN?" Implying that the young Parthenos was still a virgin at that time. But three months later, after being with the friends and family members of her aunty Elizabeth, she was then found to be pregnant with the child of her half-brother, Joseph the son of Heli.

There are five female ancestor of Jesus, who some atheists condemn as having committed sinful acts, as there are those who condemn Mary, the obedient handmaid of the Lord, as a **** because, in obedience to the Lord, she conceived out of wedlock, the son of her half-brother, we can add also, Sarah, the mother of the son of Gods promise to Abraham, her half-brother.

So, we have Sarah, the mother of the son of Gods promise to her half-brother Abraham, then of the five women recorded in the genealogy in Matthew, we have Tamar who played the part of a prostitute and seduced her father-in-law Judah to who she bore the two sons Perez and Zerah. Then we have Rahab, the madam of a brothel in Jericho, who saved the two Israeli spies, marrying Salmon, one of those spies, who was the father of Boaz. Then Ruth, who with her sexual cunning, snared her husband Obed, to who she bore Jesse, the father of King David, next was Bathsheba, the wife of Uriah the Hittite, who committed adultery with king David, to who she later bore Solomon, who the Lord loved, saying; “I shall be his father and He shall be my son, it is he who shall build my Temple for me” And who blessed him with the rulership of the most glorious period of Israel’s history.

And last of all we have Mary the obedient handmaid of the Lord, whose act of conceiving Jesus the son of her half-brother, Joseph the son of Heli, was concealed in the shadow beneath the wings of the Lord of Spirits who overshadowed her.

The acts of all these women ancestors of Jesus. Who was the compilation of all the righteous spirits who were gathered to the bosom of Abraham, according to the plan of the Holy Spirit, are considered to be in obedience to their indwelling ancestral spirit.

Isaac, is seen as a prototype of Jesus, as he was the reality of the promised seed of Abraham and was born of God’s promise according to the workings of the Holy Spirit.

Galatians 4: 29; Amplified version: “Yet as at that time the child born according to the flesh (Ismael), despised and persecuted him (Isaac) who was born according to the promise and the workings of the Holy Spirit, etc.” Yet no one would deny that Isaac was the biological son of Abraham.

Isaac is a prototype of Jesus and like Jesus, was born of God’s promise according to the workings of the Holy Spirit. Both are seen as the seed that was promised to Abraham.

Both Isaac and Jesus were the sons of parents who were both sired by the one Father.

‘Terah,’ is the father to both Abraham and Sarah by different mothers, while ‘Heli,’ is the father of both Joseph and Mary, by different mothers.

Both Mary and Sarah were informed by an angel that they would become Pregnant and bear the son of God’s promise. Isaac was offered up as a sacrifice by his physical father, and Jesus was offered up by his spiritual father, whose spirit descended upon him in the form of a dove as the voice was heard to say, ‘You are my Son in whom I am well pleased, TODAY I have become your Father.” Or rather, “THIS DAY I have begotten thee.” See the more ancient authorities of Luke 3: 22; and Isaac was offered up on the same mountain at the very spot where Jesus was crucified.

Will continue.

 

[The Anointed]

According to the Bible Jesus is literally born of the holy Spirit. Luke 1:35 shows us His true origins. The ancestry of Joseph was only assumed by people. Jesus was truly born of the holy Spirit. So, I can't agree with you on this point.


What is a Son of man? A "Son of man" is a Son of Adam. All scripture references of the "Son of man" are prophecies of the Messiah who is born a Son of man. The Son of Adam who would redeem mankind. That is God coming in the very offspring of Adam to save Adam. Jesus came as the new Adam. The new image of God that all must now be remade after. The first pattern was the old Adam. He was broken. The mold was broken. That is because Adam sinned and now whoever is made in his image is also born with a sinful nature. But the 2nd Adam came (who is the Lord from heaven) to remake us after His own image. He is not Enoch, He is the King of glory. He is YHVH the most High God. So then no wonder God said "Let US make man in OUR image" because God is speaking through the ages to the Messiah who is really God manifest. God manifest has come to make us again into His own image who have been corrupted.

"Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee." (Psalm 2:7) It's actually about the resurrection according to Acts 13:33. Not the baptism. The resurrection of Jesus from the dead means that Jesus is the "firstborn from the dead". (Colossians 1:18) So I think you're slightly mistaken attributing Psalm 2:7 to the baptism instead of the resurrection.

However the baptism is an important part of Jesus' ministry because it's the moment when He is truly anointed with the holy Spirit. Making Him indeed the "Messiah" the Anointed One of God. (John 1:32, Mark 1:10, Matthew 3:16) So good catch on noticing it's importance. It is important, but it's ultimately not what Psalm 2:7 is specifically about.


God apparently does have the power of reproduction because the scripture calls Him the "Father of spirits". (Hebrews 12:9) So every "spirit" is; at some point originating with God who is the Father of spirits.

The idea that Enoch is the Messiah is contradicted in more than one verse that makes it clear that the Messiah's origins are from eternity. He was "I Am" before the world began. And we can show various scriptures that prove it. John 1:1 is a good one because according to it, the "Word" (Who is the Messiah) was there from the beginning. In John 1:14 we find that the "Word" was made flesh. So the Word existed first and then the Word became flesh. Your idea that Enoch was made into the Word is the exact opposite.


He always was incontestably Divine. Isaiah 9:6 shows us He is the mighty God, the Everlasting Father.


Azazel in the book of Enoch was one of the ring leaders of the rebellious angels who came down to marry earth women and taught humans how to make weapons of war and other things. In the book of Enoch all sin is ascribed to Azazel. But is that because it really happened or did the Jews make this apart up because what is written of the scapegoat in the Torah? It's hard to tell which came first. I don't believe you should base your doctrines off the book of Enoch. Although I like the book of Enoch myself, I think you should stick with the scriptures and only use the book of Enoch to support or supplement your doctrine. When it comes to one or the other then always side with the holy Bible. That's the most trustworthy documents we have. They didn't include Enoch on purpose because it is not considered on par.

74+12 wrote…….What is a Son of man? A "Son of man" is a Son of Adam. All scripture references of the "Son of man" are prophecies of the Messiah who is born a Son of man. The Son of Adam who would redeem mankind. That is God coming in the very offspring of Adam to save Adam.

The Anointed…….. Jesus was indeed a descendant of Adam, a 100% human being, born of human parents as are all human beings born of the seed of Adam.

74+12 wrote…….Jesus came as the new Adam. The new image of God that all must now be remade after. The first pattern was the old Adam. He was broken. The mold was broken. That is because Adam sinned and now whoever is made in his image is also born with a sinful nature.

The Anointed…….. According to you, Jesus was born of the seed of Adam, made in the image of Adam and therefore also born with a sinful nature.

74+12 wrote……. But the 2nd Adam came (who is the Lord from heaven) to remake us after His own image.

The Anointed…….. The man Jesus said to Nicodemus in John 3: 13; “And no man has ascended to heaven EXCEPT he who came down, even the Son of Man, who “IS” in heaven.”

The Lord from heaven is the Son of Man, who filled his earthly servant with his spirit/his words, [My words are spirit and it is the spirit/my words which give life] said the Lord through his servant, who he had chosen from among the Israelites and put his words into his mouth and sent him to speak in his name.

Deuteronomy 18: 18; “I will send them a prophet like you from among their own people; I will put MY WORDS into his mouth, and he will tell the people everything I command. And I will punish all who refuse to heed MY WORDS, which he will speak in my name etc.”

74+12 wrote……. He is not Enoch, He is the King of glory. He is YHVH the most High God. So then no wonder God said "Let US make man in OUR image" because God is speaking through the ages to the Messiah who is really God manifest. God manifest has come to make us again into His own image who have been corrupted.

The Anointed…….. It was Enoch, the chosen heir and successor to the MOST HIGH in the creation, the lesser JHWH, who had been anointed as the heir and successor to the then MOST HIGH in the creation and translated to a body of brilliant and blinding Light, who was to serve God before the body of Adam/mankind into all eternity, And it was in his image that Jesus ‘The first born from the dead’ appeared to Saul on the road to Damascus, in blinding light, and answered Saul’s question; “Who are you Lord?” with these words; “I am Jesus of Nazareth, whom you persecute.”

74+12 wrote……. "Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee." (Psalm 2:7) It's actually about the resurrection according to Acts 13:33. Not the baptism. The resurrection of Jesus from the dead means that Jesus is the "firstborn from the dead". (Colossians 1:18) So I think you're slightly mistaken attributing Psalm 2:7 to the baptism instead of the resurrection.

The Anointed…….. When the son of Man descended from his heights in time and appeared to Abraham who chose him as his God, he said to Abraham; “In blessing, I will bless you and in multiplying, I will multiply you.”

From that day forward all the disembodied spirits of the righteous, who after paying the blood price for their inherited sin and any mistakes that they had made in their life, were judged and separated from the unrighteous dead and gathered into the bosom of Abraham, to the evolving spirit of Enoch, the chosen cornerstone to the new creation which inherits the throne of the Most High in the creation, Over them, Death no longer had any power, and over Jesus, who was the compilation of all the righteous spirit that had been gathered to the chosen cornerstone up until that point in time, death, the ruler of this world had no power.

The stone that the builders of the Jewish and Roman churches have rejected turns out to be the most important stone of all.

Long before Jesus explained the separation of the righteous from the unrighteous in the story of Lazarus and the rich man. The prophet Isaiah wrote in 57: 1-2; “Good people die, and no one understands or even cares. But when they [Good people] die, no calamity can hurt them. Those who lead good live find peace and rest in death.”

If those who lead good lives find peace and rest in death, then there awaits a time of unrest and fearful expectation of the future for those who lead wicked lives.

Jesus was raised from the dead on the first day of the week after Passover, which is the Feast of "First fruits." The first to be born son of God, not by blood nor by the will of the flesh, nor by the will of man but by the spirit of the Lord our God that descended upon him in the form of a dove as the heavenly voice was heard to say, "You are my Son, THIS DAY, I have begotten thee."

Jesus is the firstborn, the first fruits to be harvested from the body of man, the first of many brothers and sisters to be raised from the dead, the first of many brothers and sisters to be conformed to the image of God’s only begotten son, the first to win the victory and to receive a share of the glorious immortal body of light, which is that of our heavenly saviour, which body of light is torn asunder and poured out as little tongues of fire on the heads of all those who believed his words as spoken through his servant "Jesus" for our salvation.

In his new glorious body of brilliant and blinding light, He, on the road to Damascus, answered Saul's question, "Who are you Lord?" with these words, "I am Jesus of Nazareth whom you persecute."

And Jesus our brother, was given divine glory [See Acts 3: 13.] and is now incontestably divine and sits in the throne of our Father, [See Revelation 3: 21.] and all the chosen ones who have born the IMAGE of the first Adam, shall also bear the IMAGE of Jesus, "The Second Adam," (in the eternal process of change/evolution, for mankind does not close the chapter in the book of evolution) a new creation of androgynous bodies of Glorious and blinding Light that is the new Temple of our Lord which is to replace God’s old tabernacle (Mankind) as the ruler on this earth of all creation.

First, MAN (man ('enosh') in English, mortal human beings) was created a little lower than the angels, then he is crowned with glory and all creation is placed beneath his feet. All creation is placed beneath the feet of 'MAN' (man ('enosh) in English, mortal human beings) WHO IS CROWNED WITH GLORY, we have not yet seen this happen. But we have seen Jesus, the first born from the dead, who has won the victory and was given divine glory by our heavenly Father and saviour, and now sits in His heavenly throne of Godhead: and who, in Revelation 3: 21; invites those, who win the victory also, to sit with him in our Father"s throne of Godhead within the creation. And all creation Visible and invisible, which, according to Paul, includes even the angels, will bow at their feet.

Will continue.

 

[cataway]

4 Then Jesus was led by the spirit up into the wilderness to be tempted by the Devil. 2 After he had fasted for 40 days and 40 nights, he felt hungry. 3 And the Tempter approached and said to him: “If you are a son of God, tell these stones to become loaves of bread.” 4 But he answered: “It is written: ‘Man must live, not on bread alone, but on every word that comes from Jehovah’s mouth.’”
5 Then the Devil took him along into the holy city, and he stationed him on the battlement of the temple 6 and said to him: “If you are a son of God, throw yourself down, for it is written: ‘He will give his angels a command concerning you,’ and, ‘They will carry you on their hands, so that you may not strike your foot against a stone.’” 7 Jesus said to him: “Again it is written: ‘You must not put Jehovah your God to the test.’”
8 Again the Devil took him along to an unusually high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory. 9 And he said to him: “All these things I will give you if you fall down and do an act of worship to me.” 10 Then Jesus said to him: “Go away, Satan! For it is written: ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.’” 11 Then the Devil left him, and look! angels came and began to minister to him."

after reading this account that happened to Jesus I thought it odd that satan had no idea that he was speaking to God …….fact is he was not , and he knew it .

 

[The Anointed]

According to the Bible Jesus is literally born of the holy Spirit. Luke 1:35 shows us His true origins. The ancestry of Joseph was only assumed by people. Jesus was truly born of the holy Spirit. So, I can't agree with you on this point.


What is a Son of man? A "Son of man" is a Son of Adam. All scripture references of the "Son of man" are prophecies of the Messiah who is born a Son of man. The Son of Adam who would redeem mankind. That is God coming in the very offspring of Adam to save Adam. Jesus came as the new Adam. The new image of God that all must now be remade after. The first pattern was the old Adam. He was broken. The mold was broken. That is because Adam sinned and now whoever is made in his image is also born with a sinful nature. But the 2nd Adam came (who is the Lord from heaven) to remake us after His own image. He is not Enoch, He is the King of glory. He is YHVH the most High God. So then no wonder God said "Let US make man in OUR image" because God is speaking through the ages to the Messiah who is really God manifest. God manifest has come to make us again into His own image who have been corrupted.

"Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee." (Psalm 2:7) It's actually about the resurrection according to Acts 13:33. Not the baptism. The resurrection of Jesus from the dead means that Jesus is the "firstborn from the dead". (Colossians 1:18) So I think you're slightly mistaken attributing Psalm 2:7 to the baptism instead of the resurrection.

However the baptism is an important part of Jesus' ministry because it's the moment when He is truly anointed with the holy Spirit. Making Him indeed the "Messiah" the Anointed One of God. (John 1:32, Mark 1:10, Matthew 3:16) So good catch on noticing it's importance. It is important, but it's ultimately not what Psalm 2:7 is specifically about.


God apparently does have the power of reproduction because the scripture calls Him the "Father of spirits". (Hebrews 12:9) So every "spirit" is; at some point originating with God who is the Father of spirits.

The idea that Enoch is the Messiah is contradicted in more than one verse that makes it clear that the Messiah's origins are from eternity. He was "I Am" before the world began. And we can show various scriptures that prove it. John 1:1 is a good one because according to it, the "Word" (Who is the Messiah) was there from the beginning. In John 1:14 we find that the "Word" was made flesh. So the Word existed first and then the Word became flesh. Your idea that Enoch was made into the Word is the exact opposite.


He always was incontestably Divine. Isaiah 9:6 shows us He is the mighty God, the Everlasting Father.


Azazel in the book of Enoch was one of the ring leaders of the rebellious angels who came down to marry earth women and taught humans how to make weapons of war and other things. In the book of Enoch all sin is ascribed to Azazel. But is that because it really happened or did the Jews make this apart up because what is written of the scapegoat in the Torah? It's hard to tell which came first. I don't believe you should base your doctrines off the book of Enoch. Although I like the book of Enoch myself, I think you should stick with the scriptures and only use the book of Enoch to support or supplement your doctrine. When it comes to one or the other then always side with the holy Bible. That's the most trustworthy documents we have. They didn't include Enoch on purpose because it is not considered on par.

74x12 wrote…… However the baptism is an important part of Jesus' ministry because it's the moment when He is truly anointed with the holy Spirit.

The Anointed…… The baptism is an important part of Jesus' ministry because it's the moment when He is truly anointed with the holy Spirit, that descended upon him in the form of a dove as the heavenly voice was heard to say; “You are my son, this day I have begotten thee.”

Enoch is the anointed successor to the throne of “THE MOST HIGH’ in the creation: Enoch is the CHRIST who stands, clothed and girded in fire, where he serves God before the body of Adam [Mankind] into all eternity.

Hebrew 10: 5; For when Christ [THE ANOINTED ONE] was about to come into the world, he said, “Sacrifices and burnt offerings you did not want, but a body you have prepared for me, etc.”

That body was the man Jesus of who it is written in Hebrew 5: 7-10; “In his life on earth Jesus made his prayers and requests with loud cries and tears to God who could save him from death. Because he was humble and devoted, God heard him. But even though he was A son of God, (Not God’s Son, or THE son of God, but A son of God, check it out in the Appendix of Strong’s Concordance, or The King James, Amplified, or The Revised Standard translations. all Israelites are sons of God according to God’s word, see Psalms 82: 6; ‘You are gods,’ I said; ‘all of you are sons of the Most High.’) he learned through suffering to be obedient, when he was made perfect (through his obedience) he became the only source through whom salvation could be gained from our Lord God and saviour, who rose Jesus from death and will raise all they, who are united to him also.

After he was made perfect in his obedience to His indwelling ancestral father, who is Our Lord God and saviour, (The Son of Man) made him high priest according to the order of Melchizedek, not that Jesus took upon himself the honour of being high priest, instead, the Lord made him high priest with these words, “You are my Son, Today I have become your Father,” or THIS DAY I have begotten thee.” Hebrews 5:5.

This was when Jesus came up out of the baptismal waters of the Jordan, and the spirit of our Lord God and saviour, came down upon him in the form of a dove, and the heavenly voice was heard to say, “You are my Son, THIS DAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN THEE. “

1st Peter 3: 21; says that the flood was a symbol pointing to Baptism, when the old man Adam is submerged in water from which the new Man Enoch rises. Noah, his wife, his three sons and their wives are all direct descendants of Enoch through his six sons, Methusulah, Rigam, Riman, Urchan, Cherminion, and Giadad.

74x12 wrote…… Making Him indeed the "Messiah" the Anointed One of God.

The Anointed…… Acts 3: 19-20; “Repent then, and turn to God, so that he will forgive your sins. If you do, time of spiritual strength will come from the Lord, and He will send Jesus, who is the messiah that he has already CHOSEN for you.”

74x12 wrote…… (Azazel in the book of Enoch was one of the ring leaders of the rebellious angels who came down to marry earth women and taught humans how to make weapons of war and other things. In the book of Enoch all sin is ascribed to Azazel.

The Anointed……. Yes, we know. I have already explained how Moses received the regulations of the new church of Israel from the books of Enoch, after I thought that you had abandoned the thread, but undoubtedly you have read that post.

74x12 wrote…… But is that because it really happened or did the Jews make this apart up because what is written of the scapegoat in the Torah? It's hard to tell which came first. I don't believe you should base your doctrines off the book of Enoch.

The Anointed……I do.

From the Jewish bible: Genesis 5: 24; “Enoch spent his life in fellowship with God, then he disappeared because God took him away.” And the Jews have rejected him.

From the Christian bible: Hebrews 11: 5; “By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death and was not found because God had translated him.” And the Christians have rejected him.

But I do not reject, the only exception of all mankind to be taken to the very throne of the MOST HIGH in creation and anointed as the heir and successor to that throne.

I do not reject He who wrote in the Book of Enoch the prophet 104: 10-13; “And now I know this mystery, that sinners will alter and pervert the words of righteousness in many ways, and will speak wicked words and lie, and practice great deceits, and write books concerning their words. But when they write down truthfully all MY words in their languages and do not change or minish aught from my words, but write them down truthfully-----------all that I testified concerning them. Then, I know another mystery, that books shall be given to the righteous and the wise to become a cause of joy and uprightness and wisdom. And to them shall the books be given, and they shall believe in them and rejoice over them, and then shall all the righteous who have learned there from all the paths of uprightness be recompensed.

105: 1; In those days the Lord bade them to summon and testify to the children of earth concerning their wisdom. Show it unto them, for ye are their guide and a recompense over the whole earth. For I and MY SON will be united with them forever in the paths of uprightness in their lives; and ye shall have peace: Rejoice you children of uprightness, Amen.

He, who wrote in 108: 11; “And now I will summon the spirits of the good who belong to the generation of the light, and I will transform those who were born in darkness, who, in the flesh were not recompensed with such honour as their faithfulness deserved. And I will bring forth in shining light those who have loved MY Holy name, and I will seat each one on the throne of his honour, and they shall be resplendent for times without number.”

74x12 wrote…… Although I like the book of Enoch myself, I think you should stick with the scriptures and only use the book of Enoch to support or supplement your doctrine. When it comes to one or the other then always side with the holy Bible. That's the most trustworthy documents we have.

The Anointed…… Are you referring to the Roman OT, where only twice is the father of Shelah referred to, In Genesis 11: 12; where it is said that at the age of 35, Arpachshad became the Father of Shelah. Then in 1st chronicles 1: 18; Arpachshad was the father of Shelah.

Thank God it wasn’t around when Luke wrote that Arpachshad was the father of Kainan/Cainan, who was the father of Shelah. See Luke 3: 35-36.

Will continue.

 

[The Anointed]

4 Then Jesus was led by the spirit up into the wilderness to be tempted by the Devil. 2 After he had fasted for 40 days and 40 nights, he felt hungry. 3 And the Tempter approached and said to him: “If you are a son of God, tell these stones to become loaves of bread.” 4 But he answered: “It is written: ‘Man must live, not on bread alone, but on every word that comes from Jehovah’s mouth.’”
5 Then the Devil took him along into the holy city, and he stationed him on the battlement of the temple 6 and said to him: “If you are a son of God, throw yourself down, for it is written: ‘He will give his angels a command concerning you,’ and, ‘They will carry you on their hands, so that you may not strike your foot against a stone.’” 7 Jesus said to him: “Again it is written: ‘You must not put Jehovah your God to the test.’”
8 Again the Devil took him along to an unusually high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory. 9 And he said to him: “All these things I will give you if you fall down and do an act of worship to me.” 10 Then Jesus said to him: “Go away, Satan! For it is written: ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.’” 11 Then the Devil left him, and look! angels came and began to minister to him."

after reading this account that happened to Jesus I thought it odd that satan had no idea that he was speaking to God …….fact is he was not , and he knew it .

Correct! And that is revealed in verse 3 When the Tempter approached and said to him: “If you are "A" son of God, tell these stones to become loaves of bread.”

And in the Luke narrative, it is said; "Then the devil left him 'FOR A WHILE.'

 

[74x12]

74x12 wrote…. According to the Bible Jesus is literally born of the holy Spirit. Luke 1:35 shows us His true origins. The ancestry of Joseph was only assumed by people. Jesus was truly born of the holy Spirit. So, I can't agree with you on this point.

The Anointed responds…….If Jesus had been born of a virgin as you erroneously suppose, this would have been seen as the greatest of all miracles and would have been shouted from the rooftops by the gospel authors.

But we see that Mark, who is believed to be the son of Peter and John the beloved disciple of Jesus, totally ignore the physical birth of Jesus as being irrelevant to the story of our salvation, and begin their account of the salvation story, with the Baptism of Jesus when he was filled with the spirit of the Lord that descended upon him in the form of a dove as the heavenly voice was heard to say, “You are my Son, this day I have begotten thee.”

Each gospel account focuses on different things. The baptism of Jesus was important as I pointed out before this is when Jesus was anointed with the holy Spirit. It was after this that He was tempted and having overcome the devil He began His ministry.

Acts 10:38
38 Jesus who [is] from Nazareth -- how God did anoint him with the Holy Spirit and power; who went through, doing good, and healing all those oppressed by the devil, because God was with him;

Clearly Mark was more focused on the actual ministry of Jesus rather than on His origins. Luke and Matthew are the ones who cover His birth.

Both of whom are pretty clear that Jesus was born of the holy Spirit.

Luke 1:35 (Which you have not yet refuted)
Matthew 1:18

Luke states that Jesus was the biological son of Joseph the son of Heli, but those who wished to cast doubt on the physical birth and parentage of the man Jesus, later added the interpolation in brackets (AS WAS SUPPOSED) they also changed Luke 3: 22; which had originally read; “You are my Son, this day I have begotten thee,” to “You are my son in whom I am pleased,” in their attempt to hide the fact that the man Jesus did not become the son of our Lord and saviour, until the day of his baptism when he was born of the spirit of the Lord.

In Luke 3: 22; In place of the Roman corruption, which states; "Thou art my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased" the following authorities of the second, third, and fourth centuries read, "This Day I Have begotten thee," vouched for by Codex D, and the most ancient copies of the old Latin (a, b, c, ff. I), by Justin Martyr (AD 140), Clemens Alex (AD. 190), Methodius (AD. 290), among the Greeks. And among the Latins, Lactatius (AD. 300), Hilary (AD,) Juvencus (AD. 330), Faustus (AD, 400) and Augustine. All these oldest manuscripts were changed completely. They now read, "This is my Son in whom I am well pleased." Whereas the original variant was, "Thou art my Son. THIS DAY I have begotten thee."

We believe the "received text" because it's the most trustworthy text out there. Obviously there have been many alterations of the text by various groups. But the "Textus receptus" has always been the go to text. You saying that the "original" said something else is just you making a guess; because you don't have the original documents. As I said before Acts 13:33 is pretty clear that Psalm 2:7 "This day I have begotten thee" is about the resurrection. So what you're proposing doesn't stand up to the rest of the scriptures.

Ignatius was already disputing with people who had apparently corrupted versions of the scriptures back in his time. So just because we find an "early" text that doesn't make it the right text. They were already changing the scriptures in the time of Ignatius. (see Ignatius to the Philadelphians chapter 2 verse 20)

Matthew states: “Now all this happened to make what the Lord had said through the prophet come true,” and all modern bible translations now read in Isaiah 7: 14; “An unmarried female who is pregnant will bear a son etc.

The Greek language did not have a specific term for ‘VIRGIN’ the word ‘Parthenos carries a basic meaning of youth, male or female, of marriageable age and denotes ‘virgin’ only by implication.

Luke 1:34 "How will this be," Mary [The 13-14 year old unmarried female=Parthenos] asked the angel, "since I HAVE NEVER KNOWN A MAN?" Implying that the young Parthenos was still a virgin at that time. But three months later, after being with the friends and family members of her aunty Elizabeth, she was then found to be pregnant with the child of her half-brother, Joseph the son of Heli.

The argument about Parthenos is not really valid. Obviously we believe that Isaiah was correct when he prophesied that a young unmarried woman would bear a child. In Isaiah 7:14 we find that a supernatural sign would be given. A young woman who is not a virgin giving birth is not really a supernatural sign. It's only supernatural if she is a virgin. Besides, she should be a virgin or else she has been in an act of fornication. That's not good.

And the idea that Mary was not a virgin is contradicted by Matthew 1:18-20 where we find that Joseph her espoused husband thought that she was committing adultery. So he decided to put her away privately, but God had to tell him in a dream that the child she had was of the holy Spirit.

In conclusion, I will have to accept the clear teaching of the Word over the argument you have presented.

There are five female ancestor of Jesus, who some atheists condemn as having committed sinful acts, as there are those who condemn Mary, the obedient handmaid of the Lord, as a **** because, in obedience to the Lord, she conceived out of wedlock, the son of her half-brother, we can add also, Sarah, the mother of the son of Gods promise to Abraham, her half-brother.

So, we have Sarah, the mother of the son of Gods promise to her half-brother Abraham, then of the five women recorded in the genealogy in Matthew, we have Tamar who played the part of a prostitute and seduced her father-in-law Judah to who she bore the two sons Perez and Zerah. Then we have Rahab, the madam of a brothel in Jericho, who saved the two Israeli spies, marrying Salmon, one of those spies, who was the father of Boaz. Then Ruth, who with her sexual cunning, snared her husband Obed, to who she bore Jesse, the father of King David, next was Bathsheba, the wife of Uriah the Hittite, who committed adultery with king David, to who she later bore Solomon, who the Lord loved, saying; “I shall be his father and He shall be my son, it is he who shall build my Temple for me” And who blessed him with the rulership of the most glorious period of Israel’s history.

Half brother? It was not yet forbidden. It was only forbidden when Moses gave the Law against it. Obviously Seth had to marry his sister anyway. Of course it was not yet forbidden before Moses.

And last of all we have Mary the obedient handmaid of the Lord, whose act of conceiving Jesus the son of her half-brother, Joseph the son of Heli, was concealed in the shadow beneath the wings of the Lord of Spirits who overshadowed her.

The acts of all these women ancestors of Jesus. Who was the compilation of all the righteous spirits who were gathered to the bosom of Abraham, according to the plan of the Holy Spirit, are considered to be in obedience to their indwelling ancestral spirit.

Isaac, is seen as a prototype of Jesus, as he was the reality of the promised seed of Abraham and was born of God’s promise according to the workings of the Holy Spirit.

Galatians 4: 29; Amplified version: “Yet as at that time the child born according to the flesh (Ismael), despised and persecuted him (Isaac) who was born according to the promise and the workings of the Holy Spirit, etc.” Yet no one would deny that Isaac was the biological son of Abraham.

Isaac is a prototype of Jesus and like Jesus, was born of God’s promise according to the workings of the Holy Spirit. Both are seen as the seed that was promised to Abraham.

Both Isaac and Jesus were the sons of parents who were both sired by the one Father.

‘Terah,’ is the father to both Abraham and Sarah by different mothers, while ‘Heli,’ is the father of both Joseph and Mary, by different mothers.

Matthew 1:16 says that Joseph is the son of Jacob not Heli. Sorry, but you're consistently contradicting Matthew's gospel. Do you disbelieve Matthew's gospel?

Both Mary and Sarah were informed by an angel that they would become Pregnant and bear the son of God’s promise. Isaac was offered up as a sacrifice by his physical father, and Jesus was offered up by his spiritual father, whose spirit descended upon him in the form of a dove as the voice was heard to say, ‘You are my Son in whom I am well pleased, TODAY I have become your Father.” Or rather, “THIS DAY I have begotten thee.” See the more ancient authorities of Luke 3: 22; and Isaac was offered up on the same mountain at the very spot where Jesus was crucified.

Will continue.

Of course Isaac was a foreshadowing of Jesus. But one is the "Word made flesh" and the other is not. John chapter 1 pretty much refutes the idea that Jesus has any origin other than God.

The Word was with God and the Word was God.

 

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The Anointed…….. According to you, Jesus was born of the seed of Adam, made in the image of Adam and therefore also born with a sinful nature.

Yes but Jesus humanity comes through the woman. Mary. Fulfilling the prophecy of Genesis 3:15.

So by having the holy Spirit as His Father; therefore Jesus became a perfect sacrifice. He is like His Father just as we are naturally like our own father: Adam. But the 2nd Adam is like God and He is God manifest.

The Anointed…….. The man Jesus said to Nicodemus in John 3: 13; “And no man has ascended to heaven EXCEPT he who came down, even the Son of Man, who “IS” in heaven.”

Yes but Jesus was on earth when He said this. This proves that Jesus is One with the Father as He claimed. He's God.

Proverbs 30:4 proves that the Father can ascend and descend. No one else. Not Enoch, not Elijah. Not anyone. Only the Father ascends and descends.

Deuteronomy 18: 18; “I will send them a prophet like you from among their own people; I will put MY WORDS into his mouth, and he will tell the people everything I command. And I will punish all who refuse to heed MY WORDS, which he will speak in my name etc.”

This is God talking, not Enoch. God would put His Word in the mouth of Jesus.

The Anointed…….. It was Enoch, the chosen heir and successor to the MOST HIGH in the creation, the lesser JHWH, who had been anointed as the heir and successor to the then MOST HIGH in the creation and translated to a body of brilliant and blinding Light, who was to serve God before the body of Adam/mankind into all eternity, And it was in his image that Jesus ‘The first born from the dead’ appeared to Saul on the road to Damascus, in blinding light, and answered Saul’s question; “Who are you Lord?” with these words; “I am Jesus of Nazareth, whom you persecute.”

So you have two gods. A greater God and a lesser one. That contradicts the clear teaching of the scriptures which says that to us(to the church as whole) there is but one God: the Father.

1 Corinthians 8:6
Ephesians 4:6

So, there is only One God the Father for us. There are not two gods. There is not a greater and lesser YHVH. Sorry. Jesus the Son is the Father manifest. The true church only has One God: the Father. Jesus is the Father manifest.

Hear oh Israel, YHVH our Elohim is one Elohim.

Enoch is the anointed successor to the throne of “THE MOST HIGH’ in the creation: Enoch is the CHRIST who stands, clothed and girded in fire, where he serves God before the body of Adam [Mankind] into all eternity.

Why does the Most High need a successor when He lives forever?

Hebrew 10: 5; For when Christ [THE ANOINTED ONE] was about to come into the world, he said, “Sacrifices and burnt offerings you did not want, but a body you have prepared for me, etc.”

That body was the man Jesus of who it is written in Hebrew 5: 7-10; “In his life on earth Jesus made his prayers and requests with loud cries and tears to God who could save him from death. Because he was humble and devoted, God heard him. But even though he was A son of God, (Not God’s Son, or THE son of God, but A son of God, check it out in the Appendix of Strong’s Concordance, or The King James, Amplified, or The Revised Standard translations. all Israelites are sons of God according to God’s word, see Psalms 82: 6; ‘You are gods,’ I said; ‘all of you are sons of the Most High.’) he learned through suffering to be obedient, when he was made perfect (through his obedience) he became the only source through whom salvation could be gained from our Lord God and saviour, who rose Jesus from death and will raise all they, who are united to him also.

Well I have some reasonable questions.

• Why does Enoch need a new body?
  
• Why does Enoch need to be born twice?
  
• Enoch could have been the sacrifice the first time he came. Why wait?

After he was made perfect in his obedience to His indwelling ancestral father, who is Our Lord God and saviour, (The Son of Man) made him high priest according to the order of Melchizedek, not that Jesus took upon himself the honour of being high priest, instead, the Lord made him high priest with these words, “You are my Son, Today I have become your Father,” or THIS DAY I have begotten thee.” Hebrews 5:5.

Every priest must bring a sacrifice. (Hebrews 5:1)
Jesus is the priest after the order of Melchizedek because He brings a sacrifice once for all time. Himself. (Hebrews 9:26)

Therefore Jesus is not fulfilling the priesthood of the order of Melchizedek until He dies and therefore He has a sacrifice to present to God.

So again it becomes clear that Psalm 2:7 "This day have I begotten thee" is about the resurrection. Because this is the power in Jesus to make all things new. All things are made new because of the resurrection. The old Adam is condemned to death. The 2nd Adam is not because He died once and has risen from the dead. This makes Him the firstborn from the dead. The 2nd Adam is made in the resurrection. "This day have I begotten Thee". The 2nd Adam is the Savior because He rose from the dead. (1 Corinthians 15:45)

The Anointed…… Acts 3: 19-20; “Repent then, and turn to God, so that he will forgive your sins. If you do, time of spiritual strength will come from the Lord, and He will send Jesus, who is the messiah that he has already CHOSEN for you.”

The verse says "preached" not chosen. Sorry. Not that it matters. I don't really think this is proof for you either way. Jesus was obviously chosen before the foundation of the world. (1 Peter 1:20)

From the Christian bible: Hebrews 11: 5; “By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death and was not found because God had translated him.” And the Christians have rejected him.

We don't reject Enoch.

Jesus is God manifest. Even Enoch knows that.

Colossians 2:8-9 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

I do not reject He who wrote in the Book of Enoch the prophet 104: 10-13; “And now I know this mystery, that sinners will alter and pervert the words of righteousness in many ways, and will speak wicked words and lie, and practice great deceits, and write books concerning their words. But when they write down truthfully all MY words in their languages and do not change or minish aught from my words, but write them down truthfully-----------all that I testified concerning them. Then, I know another mystery, that books shall be given to the righteous and the wise to become a cause of joy and uprightness and wisdom. And to them shall the books be given, and they shall believe in them and rejoice over them, and then shall all the righteous who have learned there from all the paths of uprightness be recompensed.

Why did (the supposed) Enoch say that the ability to write was "consuming" him?

"And he instructed mankind in writing with ink and paper, and thereby many sinned from eternity to
10 eternity and until this day. For men were not created for such a purpose, to give confirmation
11 to their good faith with pen and ink. For men were created exactly like the angels, to the intent that they should continue pure and righteous, and death, which destroys everything, could not have taken hold of them, but through this their knowledge they are perishing, and through this power
12 it is consuming me."

 

[74x12]

The stone that the builders of the Jewish and Roman churches have rejected turns out to be the most important stone of all.

Well of course and good point. But that doesn't make the Stone to be Enoch. It's YHVH Himself who is the Stone that the builders refused.

1 Samuel 2:2
2 There is none holy as the Lord: for there is none beside thee: neither is there any rock like our God.
2 Samuel 22:32
32 For who is God, save the Lord? and who is a rock, save our God?
Psalm 18:31
31 For who is God save the Lord? or who is a rock save our God?

Remember in the time of Samuel; God told Samuel "for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them." So Jesus comes to "reconcile all things to Himself" came to restore the people to their true King. God. No wonder Jesus said "my Kingdom is not of this world" because the people still had rejected Him. But soon His kingdom will be on this world also as it is in heaven.

 

[The Anointed]

According to the Bible Jesus is literally born of the holy Spirit. Luke 1:35 shows us His true origins. The ancestry of Joseph was only assumed by people. Jesus was truly born of the holy Spirit. So, I can't agree with you on this point.


What is a Son of man? A "Son of man" is a Son of Adam. All scripture references of the "Son of man" are prophecies of the Messiah who is born a Son of man. The Son of Adam who would redeem mankind. That is God coming in the very offspring of Adam to save Adam. Jesus came as the new Adam. The new image of God that all must now be remade after. The first pattern was the old Adam. He was broken. The mold was broken. That is because Adam sinned and now whoever is made in his image is also born with a sinful nature. But the 2nd Adam came (who is the Lord from heaven) to remake us after His own image. He is not Enoch, He is the King of glory. He is YHVH the most High God. So then no wonder God said "Let US make man in OUR image" because God is speaking through the ages to the Messiah who is really God manifest. God manifest has come to make us again into His own image who have been corrupted.

"Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee." (Psalm 2:7) It's actually about the resurrection according to Acts 13:33. Not the baptism. The resurrection of Jesus from the dead means that Jesus is the "firstborn from the dead". (Colossians 1:18) So I think you're slightly mistaken attributing Psalm 2:7 to the baptism instead of the resurrection.

However the baptism is an important part of Jesus' ministry because it's the moment when He is truly anointed with the holy Spirit. Making Him indeed the "Messiah" the Anointed One of God. (John 1:32, Mark 1:10, Matthew 3:16) So good catch on noticing it's importance. It is important, but it's ultimately not what Psalm 2:7 is specifically about.


God apparently does have the power of reproduction because the scripture calls Him the "Father of spirits". (Hebrews 12:9) So every "spirit" is; at some point originating with God who is the Father of spirits.

The idea that Enoch is the Messiah is contradicted in more than one verse that makes it clear that the Messiah's origins are from eternity. He was "I Am" before the world began. And we can show various scriptures that prove it. John 1:1 is a good one because according to it, the "Word" (Who is the Messiah) was there from the beginning. In John 1:14 we find that the "Word" was made flesh. So the Word existed first and then the Word became flesh. Your idea that Enoch was made into the Word is the exact opposite.


He always was incontestably Divine. Isaiah 9:6 shows us He is the mighty God, the Everlasting Father.


Azazel in the book of Enoch was one of the ring leaders of the rebellious angels who came down to marry earth women and taught humans how to make weapons of war and other things. In the book of Enoch all sin is ascribed to Azazel. But is that because it really happened or did the Jews make this apart up because what is written of the scapegoat in the Torah? It's hard to tell which came first. I don't believe you should base your doctrines off the book of Enoch. Although I like the book of Enoch myself, I think you should stick with the scriptures and only use the book of Enoch to support or supplement your doctrine. When it comes to one or the other then always side with the holy Bible. That's the most trustworthy documents we have. They didn't include Enoch on purpose because it is not considered on par.

This concludes my response to this particular post.

74x12 wrote…… Although I like the book of Enoch myself, I think you should stick with the scriptures and only use the book of Enoch to support or supplement your doctrine. When it comes to one or the other then always side with the holy Bible. That's the most trustworthy documents we have.

The Anointed...…Are to referring to the Roman bible which erroneously states that Israel was in the land of Egypt for 430 years to the very day? See Exodus 12: 40.

74x12...… They didn't include Enoch on purpose because it is not considered on par.

The Anointed…… The Roman church of Emperor Constantine, which was firmly established over 300 years after Jesus, banned the books of Enoch in the fourth century A D, because they were not considered on par with their false teachings of the supposed virgin birth, etc, etc.

In his 2nd letter to the Corinthians 11: 4; Paul says, “You gladly tolerate anyone who comes to you and preaches a different Jesus, not the one we preached; and you accept a spirit (The Lie) and a gospel completely different from the spirit (Of Truth) and the gospel you received from us.”

So, what was that other gospel, way back in the days of Paul, that was leading the people away from the truth and away from the Jesus as preached by the Apostles, to another false Jesus?

That gospel was the word of the anti-christ that refused to acknowledge that Jesus had come as a human being, and instead, they believed that he was a spirit, who, like some Hologram, would appear and disappear at will.

Even in the days of John, the false teaching that Jesus was not of the seed of Adam from which every human being who has, or ever will walk this earth, has descended, and had not come as a human being, but as a spiritual being, was already beginning to be spread throughout the world, and concerning that evolving falsehood, John had this to say.

1st letter of John 4:1-3; “My dear friends, do not believe all who claim to have the spirit, (My words are spirit) but test them to find out if the spirit they have comes from God. For many false prophets have gone out everywhere. This is how you will be able to know if it is Gods spirit/word: anyone who acknowledges that Jesus came as a human being has the spirit who comes from God. But anyone who denies this about Jesus does not have the spirit from God. The spirit that he has is from the enemy of the anointed one, the Anti-christ etc.”

2nd letter of John verses 7-10; “Many deceivers have gone out all over the world, people who do not acknowledge that Jesus came as a human being. Such a person is a deceiver and an enemy of Christ.”

If you would care to open your eyes, I’m sure that you will have little difficulty in finding the teaching of the anti-christ, which does not deny that Jesus had come, but which refused to acknowledge that Jesus was a true human being, born of the seed of Adam, which has been spread throughout the entire WORLD.

Over the centuries the false teaching of the anti-christ continued to evolve, and as the followers of the anti-christ became more enlightened and harder to deceive. In Alexandria, by the second century, Docetism, the concept that Jesus had existed as a spirit rather than a human being, had all but theoretically been stamped out.

But still, there persisted the belief that their false Jesus, although seen as a sort of human being, did not have our normal bodily needs, such as eating, drinking and having to go to the toilet, and Clement the bishop of Alexandria, wrote: “It would be ridiculous to imagine that the redeemer, in order to exist, had the usual needs of man. He only took food and ate it in order that we should not teach about him in a Docetic fashion.” Satan must have been some sort of an idiot believing that this false Jesus of theirs, who had no need of food such as we human beings do, was starving hungry after a mere 40 days without food, who then tried to tempt him into turning stones into bread.

Their Jesus was not the Jesus as taught by the apostles, but that other Jesus, taught by the Anti-Christ, who unlike we mere HUMAN BEINGS, did not need to eat, drink, or go to the toilet, as was taught by one of the great teachers that the members of the universal church, loved to use as one of their authorities when trying to defend one of their false doctrines.

Saint Clement of Alexandria, who was a saint in the Martyrology of the Roman universal church, in support of the great lie, speaks of the time that some imaginary midwife, who was supposed to be at the birth of Jesus, [Non-Biblical] told some woman by the name Salome, that the mother was still a virgin after the birth and that her hymen was still intact, [Non-Biblical] and that this supposed Salome, stuck her finger into the mother’s vagina to check, and her hand immediately withered up, but the baby Jesus reached out and touched her hand and healed it. [All Non Biblical]

Down to the 17th century Clement was venerated as a saint. His name was to be found in the Martyrologies, and his feast fell on December 4. But when the Roman Martyrology was revised by Clement VIII (Pope from 1592 to 1605), his name was dropped from the calendar on the advice of his confessor, Cardinal Baronius. Pope Benedict XIV in 1748 maintained his predecessor's decision on the grounds that Clement's life was little-known; that he had never obtained public cultus in the Church; and that some of his doctrines were, if not erroneous, at least highly suspect.

Almost 2,000 years after the man Jesus was born to Mary and Joseph the son of Heli, the Roman church, whose head claims to be the shepherd of Gods people, who our Lord promised through his prophet Zechariah 11: 12 to 17; that he would raise up in the Land after he was rejected by the Jews, finally kicked their old lying saint out of their church, but by then, the false teaching was firmly entrenched in the minds of the gullible, which minds today, are so mixed up and set as hard as concrete, that one would need a sledge hammer to crack an opening to allow the light of truth to enter in.

 

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The Anointed...…Are to referring to the Roman bible which erroneously states that Israel was in the land of Egypt for 430 years to the very day? See Exodus 12: 40.

430 years according to the Hebrew text. And also the Septuagint agrees. So what evidence do you have to propose that the Hebrew and the Septuagint are both incorrect?

The Anointed…… The Roman church of Emperor Constantine, which was firmly established over 300 years after Jesus, banned the books of Enoch in the fourth century A D, because they were not considered on par with their false teachings of the supposed virgin birth, etc, etc.

... It was not considered on par by the Jews themselves. They did not include it. Why did Jesus never rebuke them for not including the book of Enoch? The Jews certainly knew of the book of Enoch. It's fragments are in the dead sea scrolls. But they did not include it in their Tanakh. Although it's been admired and cherished by people for thousands of years.

Look, I don't deny some of the visions in the book of Enoch are amazing and I believe that some of them were probably true. But to claim the whole book of Enoch is true is naive. The book of Enoch has a lot of good things to say but that doesn't mean the stories in it are all true stories.

If you would care to open your eyes, I’m sure that you will have little difficulty in finding the teaching of the anti-christ, which does not deny that Jesus had come, but which refused to acknowledge that Jesus was a true human being, born of the seed of Adam, which has been spread throughout the entire WORLD.

I suggest that you be very certain of yourself before proclaiming a gospel of Enoch. Even Paul went back to the Jerusalem church to check his doctrines with the apostles. Although Paul had the holy Spirit and had done great miracles yet he wanted to be extra certain of his many profound revelations. (Galatians 2:2) So how sure are you about all this?

Although we love Enoch and think he was a great prophet; yet we don't think Elijah is the Messiah just because he was taken to heaven. Enoch did not ascend into heaven by his own strength. He was not "for God took him". So Enoch was taken(caught away, raptured).

Jesus is the only One who proved Himself to be the Messiah. When the holy Spirit landed upon Him appearing as a dove that was His Anointing when He began His ministry. Immediately after this event Jesus was driven into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.

To me Jesus is God and that's revealed in plan black and white in the scriptures. The Ethiopic book of Enoch does not disagree either.

 

[The Anointed]

430 years according to the Hebrew text. And also the Septuagint agrees. So what evidence do you have to propose that the Hebrew and the Septuagint are both incorrect?

... It was not considered on par by the Jews themselves. They did not include it. Why did Jesus never rebuke them for not including the book of Enoch? The Jews certainly knew of the book of Enoch. It's fragments are in the dead sea scrolls. But they did not include it in their Tanakh. Although it's been admired and cherished by people for thousands of years.

Look, I don't deny some of the visions in the book of Enoch are amazing and I believe that some of them were probably true. But to claim the whole book of Enoch is true is naive. The book of Enoch has a lot of good things to say but that doesn't mean the stories in it are all true stories.

I suggest that you be very certain of yourself before proclaiming a gospel of Enoch. Even Paul went back to the Jerusalem church to check his doctrines with the apostles. Although Paul had the holy Spirit and had done great miracles yet he wanted to be extra certain of his many profound revelations. (Galatians 2:2) So how sure are you about all this?

Although we love Enoch and think he was a great prophet; yet we don't think Elijah is the Messiah just because he was taken to heaven. Enoch did not ascend into heaven by his own strength. He was not "for God took him". So Enoch was taken(caught away, raptured).

Jesus is the only One who proved Himself to be the Messiah. When the holy Spirit landed upon Him appearing as a dove that was His Anointing when He began His ministry. Immediately after this event Jesus was driven into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.

To me Jesus is God and that's revealed in plan black and white in the scriptures. The Ethiopic book of Enoch does not disagree either.

1st Peter 1: 19-21; but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect. 20 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake. 21 Through him you believe in God, who raised him from the dead and glorified him, and so your faith and hope are in God.

Who is being referred to here?

 

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1st Peter 1: 19-21; but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect. 20 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake. 21 Through him you believe in God, who raised him from the dead and glorified him, and so your faith and hope are in God.

Who is being referred to here?

Jesus

 

[The Anointed]

Jesus

So, Through the man Jesus you believe in God, who raised him from the dead and glorified him, and so your faith and hope are in God, who is the most high in the creation.

 

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So, Through the man Jesus you believe in God, who raised him from the dead and glorified him, and so your faith and hope are in God, who is the most high in the creation.

Yes.

God cannot die; so He had to have a body in order to die. (Hebrews 10:5) He prepared a body in the womb of Mary. This body would be the ultimate sacrifice. The Lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world.

Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not; but a body hast thou prepared me: whole-burnt-offering and sacrifice for sin thou didst not require. Then I said, Behold, I come: in the volume of the book it is written concerning me, I desired to do thy will, O my God, and thy law in the midst of mine heart. (Psalm 40:6-8 Septuagint)

Jesus whole mission was reconciliation. The reconciling of man to God. (Blessed are the peacemakers ...) It was necessary for God to become man in order to return mankind to Himself.

2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

• God is love. Love is proved through actions more than words. God proves His love through Jesus' death. "greater love than this hath no one, that any one his life may lay down for his friends;"
• God is the good and the beautiful Shepherd (Psalm 23) who gives His life for the sheep. He does this because He truly cares for the sheep.

In Psalm 102:19-21 we find that God looks down from heaven to earth to "hear the groaning of the prisoner; to loose those that are appointed to death;" So it is God Himself that saves us from death and how does He do it? By the resurrection power. By overcoming the grave.

For he hath looked down from the height of his sanctuary; from heaven did the Lord behold the earth; To hear the groaning of the prisoner; to loose those that are appointed to death; To declare the name of the Lord in Zion, and his praise in Jerusalem; (Psalm 102:19-21)

And we know Jesus is the priest of the order of Melchizedek. He is our "intercessor". (Romans 8:34) In Isaiah 59:16, we find that there was no man worthy to be the intercessor. So God's own arm brought salvation to Him. God alone has done all this.

And he saw that there was no man, and wondered that there was no intercessor: therefore his arm brought salvation unto him; and his righteousness, it sustained him. (Isaiah 59:16)

God is the bridegroom. The Lover of humanity. Adam foreshadowed God's own love when he ate the forbidden fruit just so he would not be parted from Eve. Adam was not deceived. Only Eve was. The Love of God for us is the same way and God tasted death on our behalf to purchase for Himself a bride.

For as a young man marrieth a virgin, so shall thy sons marry thee: and as the bridegroom rejoiceth over the bride, so shall thy God rejoice over thee. (Isaiah 62:5)

In conclusion the Love nature of God proves that Jesus must be God manifest.