Is Jesus the Jewish messiah?

[nobokov]

The Old Testament says the messiah will, in his lifetime: be a military leader who will defeat the enemies of Israel, re-establish the Sanhedrin, rebuild the temple in Jerusalem, return all Jews to Israel and lead them in following the Torah laws.

The OT never says he will die or fail in any way. It never says that he will be God incarnate, or that he'll take away sins, or you have to believe in him, etc.

Why is Jesus so different from the OT messiah? Why would God send the Jews a messiah that becomes an inspiration for discrimination and violence against them?

 

[waitasec]

good question....frubals to you
and welcome to the forum
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[Caladan]

The Old Testament says the messiah will, in his lifetime: be a military leader who will defeat the enemies of Israel, re-establish the Sanhedrin, rebuild the temple in Jerusalem, return all Jews to Israel and lead them in following the Torah laws.

The OT never says he will die or fail in any way. It never says that he will be God incarnate, or that he'll take away sins, or you have to believe in him, etc.

Why is Jesus so different from the OT messiah? Why would God send the Jews a messiah that becomes an inspiration for discrimination and violence against them?

Jesus according to gospel narrative was a passionate Jewish man, with much wit and intense take on local affairs, from the religious tensions to the politics of Roman and Jewish society, he had extra ordinary things to say to the men and women of his culture. I think this in itself has become a legacy for posterity. but Jewish men and women both of the time, through out history, and today, practice Jewish tradition as they always have, and accepting a Jewish man, one of their own as God is something Jewish people will always reject fiercely.

 

[outhouse]

jesus is not the jewish messiah.

 

[smokydot]

The Old Testament says the messiah will, in his lifetime: be a military leader who will defeat the enemies of Israel, re-establish the Sanhedrin, rebuild the temple in Jerusalem, return all Jews to Israel and lead them in following the Torah laws.
The OT never says he will die or fail in any way. It never says that he will be God incarnate, or that he'll take away sins, or you have to believe in him, etc.
Why is Jesus so different from the OT messiah? Why would God send the Jews a messiah that becomes an inspiration for discrimination and violence against them?

Jesus said:

"You diligently study the Scriptures because you think that by them you possess eternal life.
These are the Scriptures that testify about me, yet you refuse to come to me to have life." (Jn 5:39-40)

"If you believed Moses, you would believe me, for he wrote about me." (Jn 5:46)

"Do not think I will accuse you before the Father. Your accuser is Moses, on whom your hopes are set. . .you do not believe what he wrote." (Jn 5:45, 47)

That the NT is true is a matter of faith.

 

[nobokov]

Smokydot, did God know that the messiah he sent would be rejected by his chosen people? The OT says god is not a man, and then he changes the rules and becomes a man? Jesus didn't fulfill any prophecies but a few passages from the OT can be interpreted as possibly referring to him but they aren't messianic prophecy. Why is this connection between Jesus and the OT so tenuous and unclear?

 

[TheKnight]

The Old Testament says the messiah will, in his lifetime: be a military leader who will defeat the enemies of Israel, re-establish the Sanhedrin, rebuild the temple in Jerusalem, return all Jews to Israel and lead them in following the Torah laws.

The OT never says he will die or fail in any way. It never says that he will be God incarnate, or that he'll take away sins, or you have to believe in him, etc.

Why is Jesus so different from the OT messiah? Why would God send the Jews a messiah that becomes an inspiration for discrimination and violence against them?

Because Jesus isn't the Jewish Messiah? Consider him what you will, whatever that may be, fact is he wasn't the Messiah. Just like Shabbatai Tzvi wasn't, just like the Lubavitcher Rebbe wasn't.

As much as we or people may have wanted those people to be the Messiah, all evidence points to them not being that.

Now, is it wrong for a person to believe that any of those was the Messiah? Not at all. It's perfectly acceptable for a person to believe that Jesus, or Shabbatai Tzvi, or the Rebbe are the Messiah. It's even acceptable to believe that they will come back and then usher in a Messianic age. However, it remains that until any person fits the qualifications and does what the Messiah is supposed to do/oversee in his time, then we cannot say that such a person is the Messiah.

That the NT is true is a matter of faith.

How many true things are matters of faith? If you are unable to rely on your reason for it, it probably isn't true.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Is Jesus the Jewish messiah?

Not according to the Jews.....

 

[Cordoba]

According to Islam, Jesus, peace be upon him, is The Messiah

Jesus was not God, but God's prophet.

It is mentioned in several hadiths that Jesus, peace be upon him, will return

The mission Jesus will complete when he returns, by God's will, will fit the description of The Messiah in The Torah

 

[outhouse]

when

thats the question

I would not hold my breath lol

 

[Cordoba]

The return of Jesus, peace be upon him, will be towards the end, as his return is one of the major signs of the end

 

[Midnight Pete]

Jesus was the messiah they were waiting for, but when he actually arrived they killed him. They wanted a warrior-king, like David, to deliver them militarily from their Roman masters. But that didn't happen. They had their messiah and didn't even know it.

 

[nobokov]

@midnightpete: Who is to be blamed for this miscommunication? God or the prophets? The prophecies could have been much more instructive if Jesus was the guy.

@aryanjesus: Where to begin? Jesus repeatedly says he was sent by God to the Jews and he even shows preference to the Jews over the Gentiles. Do you have any biblical support for your position that " the Jews wanted to get rid of Jesus because they wanted war, disarray, and violence"?

 

[ninerbuff]

God didn't send the Jews anyone, or anything. Jesus ruled out all Jewishness when he said the way to the Father was through Him. The west is packed with Jewish political correctness and laws. Christ, at least, gave us a choice; we may or may not accept Him as Lord. Jews, on the other hand, don't give us a choice at all. They use the law, intimidation, smears, public humiliation and threats to control us whether we like it or not. Christ and his Apostles were chastised by the Jews, harassed by the Jews, threatened by the Jews, hunted down by the Jews, persecuted by the Jews and killed because of the Jews. The time surrounding Jesus is the story of the conflict between good and evil and how the Jews operate. I think the Jews had him crucified because he wanted to get rid of the San Hedren; they wanted to get rid of him because he promoted peace, love, and brotherhood. Since the Jews wanted to promote war, dissaray and violence, they couldn't have this stranger altering their plans. But Christians know that Jesus was innocent, the Jews simply did not like what he said and stood for; they despised Jesus for telling the truth! To the Jews, it was all hate speech. Blasphemy then, hate speech now. They are doing exactly the same things now all over the world to men who dare speak out against Jewry.

Can African Americans be christian too?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Considering the Jews don't claim Jesus as their Messiah, insist he did not fulfill the Messianic prophecy, then I am going to go with there judgment since they are the one's who were promised a Messiah.

 

[TheKnight]

Jesus was the messiah they were waiting for, but when he actually arrived they killed him. They wanted a warrior-king, like David, to deliver them militarily from their Roman masters. But that didn't happen. They had their messiah and didn't even know it.

It has nothing to do with what they wanted, but with what the prophecies predicted. The prophecies paint a certain Messianic image, and Jesus wasn't anywhere close to that. He was some guy who claimed to do things that weren't predicted, over a situation that no one was ever told about (hell as punishment for sin), and then died to rectify a situation that no one was told about see by making a change that no one could actually notice in a what that no one was told would ever work (human sacrifice for sin).

But you keep believing what you want. Those dumb Jews just didn't notice who he was and they messed up and killed him. Yep. The people God meant to send him to, and they couldn't even tell. [/sarcasm]

You'd think the fact that it wasn't obvious to any Jews that Jesus was the Messiah would be a clear indication that he wasn't. But I guess that makes too much sense.

 

[Zardoz]

Jesus was the messiah they were waiting for, but when he actually arrived they killed him. They wanted a warrior-king, like David, to deliver them militarily from their Roman masters. But that didn't happen. They had their messiah and didn't even know it.

The Romans killed him, because, as they were smart enough to build an empire they knew that the Jews were longing for a messiah so they killed him quick to avoid an uprising. That he wasn't a warrior-king didn't matter at all to the Romans.

 

[rhona]

Hi there

Yes Jesus is the messiah ,the words of christ can only. Be understood when he reveals the spirit
To your heart n this is why he said ..only believe

 

[Twig pentagram]

I don't think so. Jesus is the christian messiah, and to a lesser extent the muslim messiah.

 

[outhouse]

I don't think so. Jesus is the christian messiah, and to a lesser extent the muslim messiah.

and to no extent the jews.

did jesus not turn into the christian messiah long after he was dead???