Just returning to Christianity for a moment, isn't Satan the villian? why would you follow him, even if he were real?
Hope you don't mind me asking. No one has ever told me they were a Satanist before so just curious.
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Is Jesus the Son of God?
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Just returning to Christianity for a moment, isn't Satan the villian? why would you follow him, even if he were real?
Hope you don't mind me asking. No one has ever told me they were a Satanist before so just curious.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I am very intersted in how Jews view Christianity. I am a Baha'i.
The Christians do claim that Mary was a virgin and that this is a fulfilment of prophecy, for example Isaiah 7:14. For obvious reasons one can not prove a virgin birth. It would be considered a Divine mystery linked to the 'Son of God' designation that the Christians consider Jesus unique and special and not of this world. Clearly the Jews do not accept this.
Baha'is agree however that Jesus was not physically resurrected.
How do you account for Christianitys' success? For example:
Jesus the Christ
- Jewish religious leader who became the central figure in Christianity.
- Despite teaching for only 3 ½ years and crucified to death by His own people nearly 2000 years ago His message spread far and wide. His religion is the most widespread on the planet with 2.2 billion adherents worldwide (cf 14,000,000 Judaism). Recognised to be awaited Messiah in the Hebrew Bible by His followers. Is considered by Islam (1.6 billion adherents) as being one of God’s important prophets.
Hope you don't mind the question
Luciferi Baphomet
Lucifer, is my Liberator
In my opinion Lucifer is not evil at all. Why would he want to hurt others? All he wants is to free people from god's slavery. To me god is evil and only desires worship and power. Why do you think that in the bible it says don't worship others, only worship me (something like that).
1. Why would god create cancer and other horrible diseases?
2. Why does he watch people suffer and die?
3. Why does he let murder and rape to happen?
4. If god is the most powerful why won't he help those who pray to him?
5. Why does he allow bad things to happen to people?
6. Why can't he stop someone from doing harm to others?
Honestly I don't think god doesn't really care about anyone but only himself.
Well for one I do believe he exist.
I follow him because he doesn't want others to be a slave to god. To follow someone who lies to you and only wants worship is so messed up.
I believe that Lucifer is the light, the truth, and the liberator.
You never talked to a Satanist on here before?
RabbiO
הרב יונה בן זכריה
Ben Avraham is a Jew. In that regard, he can offer his opinion of how he views Christianity - spoiler alert, he despises, loathes, dislikes, and hates Christianity - and you will have the opinion of one particular Jew.
If you are seeking, however, to ascertain whether there is some sort of generally shared viewpoint among Jews as to Christianity or some sort of generally held viewpoint of Christianity within Judaism, then whatever Ben Avraham opines is not going to be of much help. His beliefs and understandings are so far outside the boundaries of any movement within Judaism as to be worthless except to the extent one understands and accepts it as one Jew's extremely idiosyncratic views.
Thank you.
Where I come from there are plenty of Christians and its easy to have a discussion with Christians about their faith. Often, but not always they are happy to share their faith, their understandings, and insights. However as a Baha'i, Baha'u'llah teaches to associate with peoples of ALL faiths in a spirit of love and fellowship. As I have no close friends or associates that are Jews, this seems like a perfect opportunity.
It does not bother me in the slightest, the degree of antipathy that Jews hold towards Christianity. I'm happy to talk to Jews who would be considered orthodox and those like Ben who as you say fall far outside the boundaries of any movement within Judaism. For now I see value in talking to Ben because there will be reasons he falls outside the boundaries you refer to and its helpful to understand that.
The questions I have asked Ben, you are welcome to answer too. I'm happy also to discuss and debate different ideas. On the other hand I do not wish to have conversations that are unfriendly or disrespectful.
The starting point for a discussion with Christians about their Faith is a shared belief in the same God, Jesus, and Gospels. With Jews I naturally would have assumed a shared belief in Yahweh, Moses, and the Tanakh. However there seems to be no agreed authorised English translation of the Hebrew Bible. Is that correct?
Your comments about these matters are appreciated. Are you a Rabbi?
Despite joining RF 2 years ago I only started posting last month. So you are my first encounter with a Satanist. Have you met Baha'is before?
So Satan talked to you. How do you know this was real and not an hallucination. I used to work in psychiatry and one of the most common experiences for people with psychosis or schizophrenic type disorders is that they hear voices. Hope you are OK with that question.
You have expressed some very good questions as to the nature of suffering and why God allows it. Baha'u'llahs' teaching provides some answers to these questions if you are interested.
Do you have a book that Lucifer has inspired, or do you rely on direct conversation with Lucifer himself?
RabbiO
הרב יונה בן זכריה
Yes. I am a rabbi within the Reform movement, what in Australia would be termed the Progressive movement.
I will have to leave it at that because Shabbat, the Sabbath is fast approaching.
Repox
Truth Seeker
A big problem for Satan is he (it) cannot create anything. Satan has a talent for attacking and destroying other creatures of God. There is no evidence for Satan being loving or caring, or a professor truth. Assuming one is liberated, what is one liberated from? Most likely, the answer is liberation from being obedient to God's will. Obedience is the most important issue facing God's creatures. Having been liberated from God, there is no life because no creature of God can create anything but rebellion. Rebellious creatures live on borrowed time, what remains in a dark universe of nothingness without God.
As for the argument of God's creatures suffering, so therefore why bother with God the creator of misery, there may be hope. If one understands God to be loving and concerned about our welfare, a means for finding a relationship with God is possible. It requires an understanding our the human condition in the context of God's purpose. Knowing the dire side of creation began with Satan's rebellion from God is a good place to start.
Luciferi Baphomet
Lucifer, is my Liberator
If Lucifer were actually to attack and make one suffer why would god allow it? It makes it sound like Lucifer has more power. But really he never wanted more power than god.
And I see no evidence of god being caring and loving.
To liberate us from god's slavery. To free us from the lies of god.
The problem with Satan is there is no evidence for his existence other than as a metaphor in the sacred scripture of various religions. Its like believing in a shadow. When you try to catch it, its gone!
roger1440
I do stuff
According to the Bible we have the ability to choose. The choices we make in life are of our own doing. Regardless of what we choose all living creatures will die. Choices and death are the ingredients of the recipe of life. To ask why living creatures die is like asking why fish swim or birds fly. Some people will die of cancer. Would you rather have them get hit by a truck? One person prays for a million dollars, another person prays to be content with what he has. Both are praying for prosperity. The one who prayed for less would actually gain more. Prosperity isn’t always about getting more stuff. It’s also about appreciating what we already have. Praying isn’t about changing the world in which we live. It’s about changing how we live within the world.
“15 See, I set before you today life and prosperity, death and destruction. 16 For I command you today to love the LORD your God, to walk in obedience to him, and to keep his commands, decrees and laws; then you will live and increase, and the LORD your God will bless you in the land you are entering to possess. 17 But if your heart turns away and you are not obedient, and if you are drawn away to bow down to other gods and worship them, 18 I declare to you this day that you will certainly be destroyed. You will not live long in the land you are crossing the Jordan to enter and possess.” (Deuteronomy 30:15-18)
I don't want to bombard you with writings from my religion. I do agree with the Christians that there is a better way.
I agree its hard at times to see Gods' Love and Caring. Perhaps an easier way is to be connected to the love and caring of people in your life and to see Gods' love reflected through genuine friends.
Sometimes its hard to see Gods' purpose especially in times of trouble. Maybe then to find meaning in the simple things of life and build from there.
Please forgive me if I have come across as unkind. Its not my intention.
"Men who suffer not, attain no perfection. The plant most pruned by the gardeners is that one which, when the summer comes, will have the most beautiful blossoms and the most abundant fruit."
"How could the [God’s] teachers teach and guide others in the way if they themselves did not undergo every species of suffering to which other human beings are subjected?"
"The more difficulties one sees in the world the more perfect one becomes. The more you plough and dig the ground the more fertile it becomes. The more you cut the branches of a tree the higher and stronger it grows. The more you put the gold in the fire the purer it becomes. The more you sharpen the steel by grinding the better it cuts. Therefore, the more sorrows one sees the more perfect one becomes . . . The more often the captain of a ship is in the tempest and difficult sailing the greater his knowledge becomes. Therefore I am happy that you have had great tribulations and difficulties… Strange it is that I love you and still I am happy that you have sorrows."
‘Abdu’l-Bahá
Best Wishes
Luciferi Baphomet
Lucifer, is my Liberator
On Google+ I was having a debate with this one christian. I told her that I have seen some people who are way nicer than than god and yes she got real pissed. She faced to truth.
Luciferi Baphomet
Lucifer, is my Liberator
Its good that you have a philosophy behind your belief. I find the arguments for God and His prophets more convincing than those against. You obviously seem content with Satanism. Have you tried any other belief systems? What did you believe in before Satan introduced himself to you?
Luciferi Baphomet
Lucifer, is my Liberator
I was a atheist then before that I was a christian.
How long a Christian and what was the turning point for you leaving?
Repox
Truth Seeker
Without God, what do we have? I don't believe Satan has more power than God. Satan's kingdom is the universe, and he dominates earth, but Satan is locked out of heaven. In heaven, Satan tried to be like God, that was the problem. Also, in heaven, Satan attacked and hurt the other angels. I don't believe Satan can create anything, Satan is a fallen angel that once was, but is no more.
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wicketkeeper
Living From the Heart.
Well, this is a hit and miss answer - I'd say Adam is the Son of God based on Genesis.
Another mystery, apologies for this digression(its too much coffee). When Cain went to the land of Nod and found himself a wife - did God create Nod and the folk thereof ? The easy answer is yes, but is Nod mentioned elsewhere.
Jesus for me represents the Sun, and his 12 disciples represent the 12 Houses of the Zodiac. Astro theology courtesy of Bill Donahue and Santos Bonnacci interest me.
I am the Light of the world said the Sun
