MurphtheSurf
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The purveyors of false religion seem to think so. But when you pray, there is only one place one can look for the answer, if an answer is coming.
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Is prayer a form of magic?
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The purveyors of false religion seem to think so. But when you pray, there is only one place one can look for the answer, if an answer is coming.
blackout
Violet.
Green Kepi
Active Member
Yeah...I guess you could put it that way ....
blackout
Violet.
doppelgänger;2122840 said:
Some people are more interested in Spell ("word") Casting ("throwing").
Others are more interested in Spell ("Word") Casting ("Molding""Forming""Setting").
(and then some are consumate artists at/of both.
)Even Wor'ship, (etymology) Wer'Shape,
done properly
(weather haphazardly, or purposefully)--
is a form of Magic/k.
To Shape One's Self to Some Chosen form.
To "Become" "Shape".
Christian WerShape properly done,
would actually make one
AS Jesus. (not a follower of, or a "lesser than")
Oh, and Great Post Dopp.
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Yes that is about the size of it, if the story was true which of course I don't think it is, as it isn't credible. I reckon Mary conceived in the usual way by Joseph, or another, and the virgin birth story was cooked up at a much later date by the followers of Jesus.
Calling upon any god, be it the christian god or the muslim god etc., Is a form of magic, just the same when I invoke the Name of the Lord of Darkness. The word miracle as most of you know is derived from the word magic. All religious ceremonies, especially the catholic mass, communion, wedding ceremonies, prayer are all forms of what is commonaly known as "white magic." There is no escaping it, we are all in one way or the other magicians. We on the LHP proudly choose to call it what it Truly Is. And Work it in a more deliberate way, ie., Black Magic.
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doppelganger
Through the Looking Glass
Magic, by the way, is merely incomplete information and the use of words and symbols to manipulate and use it.
Guitar's Cry
Disciple of Pan
Prayer is magical in the same way reflection is.
blackout
Violet.
It's not the same though really,
because when you in'voke the Name
(you have given) the Lord of Darkness,
you are invoking the presence of formative/transformative power
within your OWN SELF, for your own use.
The figure of Set,
does not WANT to "do things for you".
His intelligence/risen function and form
wants YOU do reach into Magic FOR YOUR OWN SELF.
To do AS he does, so to speak.
The goal of Xeper is SELF TRANSFORMATION.
Invocation of the Holy Spirit,
as opposed to the Black Flame,
is sought to give you "other" power, and "other" will.
More like invoking a persona...
than a power, or a way of being and becoming.
The holy spirit makes you a MEDIUM
in more of a "Posessed" sense,
then a Medium of Power itself.
One is "do as you will".
Do for yourSelf.
The other is
"do as I will".
and
Let me do it for you.
Two completely different paradigms.
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Yes, that is why I added that last sentence... in that Black Magicians Work their Magic deliberately. With specific goals in mind and in accordance with their own Desires/Will.
Guitar's Cry
Disciple of Pan
I think I know what your saying, but could you please ellaborate further... I just woke up and haven't had my coffee yet.
Coffee: the most powerful morning magic there is. :yes:
blackout
Violet.
Well, a person's prayers certainly do reflect their Self.
Who they are, what they (feel they) are in need of, their outlook, hopes, expectations.... everything...
Weather they reflect ON all of that
on a trans'formative level
depends on the person.
The paradigm of prayer
as subservient in (perpetual) wait of help
will produce no transformation.
Only stagnation and decay.
But perhaps that is nature magic.
Taking it's course....
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blackout
Violet.
Is asking someone else to do your will,
if it also happens to be their will,
really magic at all though?
I'm not sure.
I learn as I pontificate here, and run things around in my mind.
blackout
Violet.
doppelgänger;2122992 said:
Well yes, in that NOTHING is really "super"natural,
and we do not know everything about Self and UniVerse
and the Power of Relationship there,
I imagine, is what you mean?
We are inventors.
We attempt to create with Powers we Sense and See
but do not understand/cannot explain.
Also,
We see unexplainable things around us
that fascinate us
and we want to participate,
rather in the fashion of children at play.
But with more deliberately sophisticated flair. :flirt:
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Guitar's Cry
Disciple of Pan
Well, a person's prayers certainly do reflect their Self.
Who they are, what they (feel they) are in need of, their outlook, hopes, expectations.... everything...
Weather they reflect ON all of that
on a trans'formative level
depends on the person.
The paradigm of prayer
as subservient in (perpetual) wait of help
will produce no transformation.
Only stagnation and decay.
But perhaps that is nature magic.
Taking it's course....
Great post! :bow:
It's the self-reflective part I was considering. When a person begins to reflect on their hopes and desires, or their suffering, they question and handle themselves, seeing new worlds and aspects. Now that's some powerful mojo!
I think one who is stuck in that state of decay will hopefully use some of that stagnation as fertilizer for new growth. If not, perhaps others will.
Guitar's Cry
Disciple of Pan
Dark, steaming, anxious brew.
Oh heck look at the time 5.45pm, I must be making a magic brew, my husband is asking what we are having for our evening meal.