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Is premarital sex a good, a bad, or a nuetral event in terms of ethics and of effect?
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FluentYank3825
Ironic Idealist
Very amusing...Except I don't believe that condoms work as well as abstinence.
McBell
Unbound
FluentYank3825
Ironic Idealist
Very true...I've always wondered though...how did God ever get Mary pregnant exactly?
Condoms = 99.4% effective
Abstinence = 99.99999991% effective
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Any of those. It's entirely unique case.
logician
Well-Known Member
You believed that story too?:sleep:
AxisMundi
E Pluribus Unum!!!
Our sex drive is, in most cases, our strongest instinct by far.
Human beings will fornicate even when a clear and present danger is present.
While abstinence works on a personal level (whatever floats yer boat) expecting people to be abstinent, especially young people with raging hormons, is far from realistic.
Therefore, we need to lower your "abstinence" benchmark quite a bit.
Targeted education with a well rounded cirriculum is much more effective than abstinence, and has resulted not only in a steady decline of teen pregnancies, but AIDs/STD's and abortion rates as well.
Culturally, we're strange.
When it was normal to choose your mate between the ages of 14-18, then restricting sex until marriage was very realistic. Now, many people wait until they finish their education, get a job, buy a house, and coerce their parents enough to pay for an outrageous ceremony before they finally say their "I do's." At that point, humans have looooonnnnnggggg been experiencing the instinct to pair-bond. Not just years, but decades.
The ramifications for expecting older teens and young adults to continue to ignore their sex drives are that we now have a LOT of people who struggle with feeling their autonomy by sexual expression while at the same time feeling shame because of older taboos still subliminally put in place.
The most ideal situation for reconciling biology with culture is through education. We can not expect entire generations to wait until marriage when they are also expected to have a college education and start an investment portfolio (although some virgins have found interesting and kinky loopholes in sexual exploration,
). Comprehensive sex education is the most ethical mandate we can give to our children given our cultural expectations for financial and philosophical autonomy.
When it was normal to choose your mate between the ages of 14-18, then restricting sex until marriage was very realistic. Now, many people wait until they finish their education, get a job, buy a house, and coerce their parents enough to pay for an outrageous ceremony before they finally say their "I do's." At that point, humans have looooonnnnnggggg been experiencing the instinct to pair-bond. Not just years, but decades.
The ramifications for expecting older teens and young adults to continue to ignore their sex drives are that we now have a LOT of people who struggle with feeling their autonomy by sexual expression while at the same time feeling shame because of older taboos still subliminally put in place.
The most ideal situation for reconciling biology with culture is through education. We can not expect entire generations to wait until marriage when they are also expected to have a college education and start an investment portfolio (although some virgins have found interesting and kinky loopholes in sexual exploration,
). Comprehensive sex education is the most ethical mandate we can give to our children given our cultural expectations for financial and philosophical autonomy.
DeitySlayer
President of Chindia
To be honest, I don't really care what any religion or 'morality' says. A Supreme Being or any person who is that obsessed with my sex life tops my **** you list.
McBell
Unbound
This thread is not in the Eros Forum....
Ha! When has humanity honestly been rational? We're such ego-junkies....
We, as a society, would much rather turn away from the reality that our kids have hormones, too.
Smoke
Done here.
I agree with your mother, and for that reason and others I think that -- barring some unethical circumstance like deception -- premarital sex is an ethical good.
On the other hand, I think screwing with people's heads and hearts by fencing sexual activity in with a bunch of arbitrary religious taboos is ethically bad. I don't agree with Voltaire that "t is amusing that a virtue is made of the vice of chastity." It doesn't amuse me at all.
Smoke
Done here.
If you believe that having sex with lots of people is shameful and degrading, but you do it anyway, that probably means you have no respect for yourself. If you're not handicapped by such a belief, it means nothing of the kind.
dust1n
Zindīq
Smoke
Done here.
Don't be silly. I was seeking gratification in all it's forms (though not instantly and not mindlessly) for years and years before I was an atheist.
On the other hand, I'm always hearing Christians talk about how full of peace and joy they are now that they've got Jesus, and suggesting that others should accept Jesus to know real happiness. There is more than one kind of mindless gratification.
Cosmos
Member
Actually... the FACTS are that despite even with an increase in sex education (which in my personal opinion is not very educational in the public school system at all) there is an INCREASE in teen pregnancy and STD's--just consider the HPV and its implications generationally, 80% of sexually active men and women passing the cancer-inducing disease.
Source?
I've come up with different figures, that states which have comprehensive sex education see less teen pregnancies, STDs, and abortion rates than states that emphasize abstinence-only sex education.
Cosmos
Member
Well, I do not have a news article source... I can look one up for intellectual entertainment if one wishes... However, my source is my own personal direct experience and the experiences related to me from any adult I've encountered in society expressing their sentiments. Whether young adults' (teens) parents or school is teaching them abstinence or safe-sex is not having an impact on the fact that when you look at the country as a whole--from coast to coast--teen pregnancies and STD's are skyrocketing. Period!