Is prostitution "immoral"?

[CynthiaCypher]

Hypothetically.

You said that power dynamics come from social status, but there's no particular reason why prostitutes have to be looked down on. Hypothetically, if prostitution was a respected profession, then there would be no power imbalance between prostitute and customer.

If that was to happen, would you still have a problem with prostitution?

If some wealthy white guy wanted to pay another wealthy white guy for sex, then I could see it as non-exploitative because only then could the power dynamics be equal.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

If some wealthy white guy wanted to pay another wealthy white guy for sex, then I could see it as non-exploitative because only then could the power dynamics be equal.

Wait... this implies that racial and gender equality is impossible. Is this really what you're arguing?

Edit: not only that, but it seems you're arguing that it's impossible for a "wealthy white guy" to be respectful of people of other genders or races.

 

[Draka]

I'm still waiting for an answer. How can a willing person be exploited? If I decide that I want to make some extra cash and know this guy who really wants to have sex with me and tell him that if he pays me so much money I'll have sex with him how am I being exploited? In fact, how am I anything but in charge?

 

[McBell]

So the stories of those women on that site don't matter?

Counting the hits and ignoring the misses in a blatant (and flat out admitted) attempt to persuade others does not impress me.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

Wait... this implies that racial and gender equality is impossible. Is this really what you're arguing?

Edit: not only that, but it seems you're arguing that it's impossible for a "wealthy white guy" to be respectful of people of other genders or races.

Well race, class and gender matter. If the power dynamic is unequal then it's exploitation.

 

[McBell]

This issue made me laugh. The "sanctity of marriage" thing is often taken out-of-context by those - religious, I mean - who don't understand it. When speaking of the sanctity of marriage I am referring to being married in a Church/Mosque/Synagogue before the Eyes of the Almighty. I have objection to allowing homosexuals being permitted to marry in such institutions since the God of Abraham very clearly states that homosexuality is an abhorrent sin. Furthermore, we see Him treating no other sin as harshly as homosexuality implying this is His most despised.

I don't have a problem, however, with gay marriage before a state or what-have-you. Just not in an Abrahamic religious institution.

And, as the above picture states - "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion." Works both ways!

The whole "Sanctity of" is nothing more than a self serving bull **** story used to magically bestow self imposed importance to something.

Examples include, but are not limited to:

The sanctity of life
The sanctity of sex
The sanctity of marriage
​

 

[Draka]

If some wealthy white guy wanted to pay another wealthy white guy for sex, then I could see it as non-exploitative because only then could the power dynamics be equal.

And if the prostitute was a middle-class white woman and the client a lower-middle class black man...is she still being exploited? You seem to class people too much by income, gender, and race.

 

[McBell]

If some wealthy white guy wanted to pay another wealthy white guy for sex, then I could see it as non-exploitative because only then could the power dynamics be equal.

So what you are saying is that Microsoft is exploiting all its employees, right?
Same with Wal-mart and every other business?

 

[CynthiaCypher]

The whole "Sanctity of" is nothing more than a self serving bull **** story used to magically bestow self imposed importance to something.

Examples include, but are not limited to:

The sanctity of life
The sanctity of sex
The sanctity of marriage
​

Well that's what makes life meaningful. Believing some things matter and are sacrosanct things like women, children and family and not menyion life, sex and marriage.

Maybe you should best leave nihilism to the professionals.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Well race, class and gender matter. If the power dynamic is unequal then it's exploitation.

But as it is, I'm involved in all sorts of transactions with people of all races, classes and genders. Am I exploiting people (or being exploited myself) by not limiting myself to only doing business with other middle class white guys?

Edit: I went to Starbucks today; the cashier who took my order was a young African Canadian woman, and the barista who made my coffee was a white woman. Did I exploit them? They were both friendly to me and I was friendly back, but maybe they were just masking their exploitedness.

When I stopped at the grocery store on the way back, my cashier was a white guy (phew!) but I neglected to ask him what class he was. Should I have?

 

[McBell]

Well that's what makes life meaningful.

To you.
Are you getting geared up for an appeal to numbers presentation?

Believing some things matter and are sacrosanct things like women, children and family and not menyion life, sex and marriage.

Again, to you.
What makes you think that everyone has to bow down to what you think is sacred?

Maybe you should best leave nihilism to the professionals.

:biglaugh:
disagreement with you does not make for nihilism.
Your arrogance is quite amusing though.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

What makes you think that everyone has to bow down to what you think is sacred?

They don't. But they best not try to get in my way.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

They don't. But they best not try to get in my way.

But nobody said you had to be a prostitute...

 

[CynthiaCypher]

But nobody said you had to be a prostitute...

But most of you are implying that I should not speak out against it, that somehow my belief that a young woman should be prevented from prostituting herself is wrong.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

But most of you are implying that I should not speak out against it, that somehow my belief that a young woman should be prevented from prostituting herself is wrong.

I believe you're contradicting yourself, you're speaking out against other people doing it but you said you're fine with it as long as they do not get in your way?

They don't. But they best not try to get in my way.

 

[Drolefille]

So the stories of those women on that site don't matter?

You're making a lot of assumptions

Sure I would be glad to

Obviously you can't be bothered.
Your inability to have any sort of reasonable discussion on the topic is noted.
Your attempt at wit is a failure.

But most of you are implying that I should not speak out against it, that somehow my belief that a young woman should be prevented from prostituting herself is wrong.

No, most of us are trying to have a conversation with you, you're the one running around like a chicken lacking a head responding to everything but the serious questions.

Our fault, obviously.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

You're making a lot of assumptions

Obviously you can't be bothered.
Your inability to have any sort of reasonable discussion on the topic is noted.
Your attempt at wit is a failure.


No, most of us are trying to have a conversation with you, you're the one running around like a chicken lacking a head responding to everything but the serious questions.

Our fault, obviously.

I answer peoples question...you came in late.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

You're making a lot of assumptions

Obviously you can't be bothered.
Your inability to have any sort of reasonable discussion on the topic is noted.
Your attempt at wit is a failure.


No, most of us are trying to have a conversation with you, you're the one running around like a chicken lacking a head responding to everything but the serious questions.

Our fault, obviously.

I think before you come and start leveling accusation you best at least some few pages back.

¿Comprendes?

 

[Sayi Nazir]

I answer peoples question...you came in late.

Beloved Sister, I truly enjoy your posts and agree with you on many, many points. However, posts like this truly do you no favors. If you have reached the extent of your ability to defend yourself then the only admirable thing to do is to humbly bow out.

Most lovingly and respectfully,

 

[Drolefille]

I think before you come and start leveling accusation you best at least some few pages back.

¿Comprendes?

See post 71. You know, the first one where i asked you questions and you didn't answer. I've read the whole thread and you like to answer the easy potshots with sarcasm without having discussion.

No accusation, just statements.