Is prostitution "immoral"?

[Draka]

Beloved Sister, mud-slinging doesn't take us anywhere constructive.

That's just it though, when asked certain questions from me her response was something about my self-esteem and value as a woman. I didn't ask her about her opinion of my worth as a woman, I asked her about how would I be being exploited if I chose to do certain things. She has never answered those questions, she has instead either insulted me or ignored me, and now she says she won't answer because they are just hypotheticals. As if I must really be a prostitute for my questions to matter. It seems as though she makes every effort to not answer certain questions because they must be too difficult for her to answer. I am not the only one who has asked such questions...and she has refused to address every single one.

 

[ankarali]

our body belongs to God not to us and we can use it according to the God's rules

why we try to dissuade from suicide a person? He has the right why we try to block his suiciding? he/she can say this is my body why you block me?

 

[Draka]

Well maybe if you were to ask a reasonable question...

Let me tell something about hypothetical questions some of like asking. I tend to avoid answering most of them for the sole reason that they are hypothetical and far removed from reality.

So asking me if I think that if somehow in some alternative reality that doesn't to exist this imaginary situation where somehow occur what would be my opinion of said imaginary situation?

Well, you will not get you from me a proper answer nor an opinion because I refuse to deal with unreality and unreal sitituations.

So if you have a question grounded in reality I will be more than glad to answer it.

I hope I have made myself clear.

You have made it quite clear that you can't substantiate your claim. My questions were reasonable and many others have asked you much the same. The main difference being that in mine, I gave myself as an example as I am a woman and the others who have asked you the same things are men. You don't want me to give myself as an example because it is too "hypothetical" for you? How you would presume to know that I have no idea, but fine. Let's try this point blank.

You claim that prostitution is always sexual exploitation of the woman. So...please explain HOW a fully competent, self-sufficient, in charge woman, who chooses her own clients and charges her own fees, is being exploited by the men she chooses to have sex with?

Or is that too "hypothetical"? If so, I'm wondering just what wouldn't be "hypothetical" to you. Flat out...how can someone who is choosing to sell sex for money be sexually exploited when it is their choice?

 

[Revoltingest]

our body belongs to God not to us and we can use it according to the God's rules
why we try to dissuade from suicide a person? He has the right why we try to block his suiciding? he/she can say this is my body why you block me?

What do you say to someone of a different faith, one which doesn't prohibit prostitution or say that one's body belongs to a god?
Certainly, you wouldn't expect non-Muslims to obey Islamic laws.

Note: I agree that Draka hasn't received clear answers to her questions.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

I have the freedom to go to a strip club and to pay for a lap dance.

And such adventures, for me, are very enjoyable. :yes:

Are such adventures exploitative since I am a woman?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I have the freedom to go to a strip club and to pay for a lap dance.

And such adventures, for me, are very enjoyable. :yes:

Are such adventures exploitative since I am a woman?

No, they're not... but only as long as the dancer is the same race as you and is in the same tax bracket.

 

[Revoltingest]

No, they're not... but only as long as the dancer is the same race as you and is in the same tax bracket.

I hope the dancer is also petite.....lest it become not only exploitative, but also crushing.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

You claim that prostitution is always sexual exploitation of the woman. So...please explain HOW a fully competent, self-sufficient, in charge woman, who chooses her own clients and charges her own fees, is being exploited by the men she chooses to have sex with?

It seems to me that she's ignoring the decision of the women to choose things for themselves and calls this "rape" regardless of what the woman has to say about the matter. I find this rather strange, since ignoring the decision of the woman is precisely what rapists do.

 

[Draka]

No, they're not... but only as long as the dancer is the same race as you and is in the same tax bracket.

Seems to follow the line of thinking here.

If a woman gets a female prostitute, as long as they are both the same race and income bracket, then it's not exploitation,

If a man get a female prostitute, even if they are the same race and income bracket, then it is exploitation because the prostitute is a woman.

Now here's where I get lost a bit...if a woman gets a male prostitute, same race and income bracket and all...is there any sexual exploitation and who is the exploited one?

 

[CynthiaCypher]

You claim that prostitution is always sexual exploitation of the woman. So...please explain HOW a fully competent, self-sufficient, in charge woman, who chooses her own clients and charges her own fees, is being exploited by the men she chooses to have sex with?

Because women no matter of what class or race will always be unequal to men in this society, so anytime a woman exchanges herself for financial gain to a man, the power dynamics are not equal ever.

I've already stated it was about power dynamics and gender inequality, how many times do I have to do so?

 

[Revoltingest]

Because women no matter of what class or race will always be unequal to men in this society, so anytime a woman exchanges herself for financial gain to a man, the power dynamics are not equal ever.
I've already stated it was about power dynamics and gender inequality, how many times do I have to do so?

Forgive me if you've already answered this.
Is prostitution then OK for male to male & female to female relationships where they're of the same socio-economic status?

Btw, where I live, many women outrank most men in power & status.
We had a female governor, & currently have a female running the University of Mich.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

Forgive me if you've already answered this.
Is prostitution then OK for male to male & female to female relationships where they're of the same socio-economic status?

Btw, where I live, many women outrank most men in power & status.

Like i said in an earlier post if one wealthy white male wants to pay another wealthy white male for sex then I don't think that's exploitative and well more power to them. Anything else I feel is exploitative.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

Because women no matter of what class or race will always be unequal to men in this society, so anytime a woman exchanges herself for financial gain to a man, the power dynamics are not equal ever.

I've already stated it was about power dynamics and gender inequality, how many times do I have to do so?

So you wouldn't mind it if it were a male prostitute?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Because women no matter of what class or race will always be unequal to men in this society, so anytime a woman exchanges herself for financial gain to a man, the power dynamics are not equal ever.

I've already stated it was about power dynamics and gender inequality, how many times do I have to do so?

Do you have a job? Do you deal with customers?

Is your manager a man? Are all of your customers women?

 

[Draka]

Because women no matter of what class or race will always be unequal to men in this society, so anytime a woman exchanges herself for financial gain to a man, the power dynamics are not equal ever.

I've already stated it was about power dynamics and gender inequality, how many times do I have to do so?

So because you have issues with how you perceive women to be "lower" than men then women choosing to do something for themselves doesn't matter? I believe you were asked before about if the female prostitute was white and middle class, yet the client was a black lower class man, would she still be being exploited?

You simply seem to play gender and class wars. How is anyone to recognize or achieve equality when you are fobbing ranks on everyone?

 

[Revoltingest]

Like i said in an earlier post if one wealthy white male wants to pay another wealthy white male for sex then I don't think that's exploitative and well more power to them. Anything else I feel is exploitative.

So women's inferior status is inherent to being a woman? Same for a man's superior status?
Is every black similarly inferior to whites? Where do Asians fit in this pecking order?
Does individual variation ever play a role in your philosophy, or are people defined entirely by group membership?

(I know it's a barrage of questions, but I think they'll help define your views.)

 

[Caladan]

If you are a professional prostitute who works in a safe environment with adequate working conditions I see no reason for you not to practice your profession. its morality-neutral issue. but the sense of exploitation in the sex industry as it is is enormous.

I have another question to expand on the OP. do most prostitutes have favourable working conditions?
what I mean by this is, security, safety from exploitation, working hours standards, drug free working environment, etc.?
I know that the OP has made a distinction between forced prostitution and prostitution as a profession. but in a sense this is ideal conditions Vs. what is out there. the sex industry is ripe with exploitation and hazards which are not found in other lines of jobs, or other 'degrading' jobs such as working in fast food chains that some members have mentioned here.

for me, the issue with this question is not so much with morality as it is with personal safety, exploitation, and other criminal issues. studies show that more than any other profession that women engage in, prostitutes are exposed to violence and other risks in the highest levels.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I have to come back to this:

Because women no matter of what class or race will always be unequal to men in this society, so anytime a woman exchanges herself for financial gain to a man, the power dynamics are not equal ever.

I've already stated it was about power dynamics and gender inequality, how many times do I have to do so?

Why do you add "for financial gain" in there?

I mean, there are power dynamics at play in any social interaction. If the power dynamics between men and women make all prostitution rape, then wouldn't this make all sex between them rape whether the woman gets paid or not? Power dynamics don't go away just because money isn't changing hands.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

So you wouldn't mind it if it were a male prostitute?

What exactly did I say?

 

[MysticSang'ha]

Because women no matter of what class or race will always be unequal to men in this society, so anytime a woman exchanges herself for financial gain to a man, the power dynamics are not equal ever.

I've already stated it was about power dynamics and gender inequality, how many times do I have to do so?

Honey, I know where you're coming from. But the problem isn't going to be solved by pointing fingers at the sex industry because there are women like me who enjoy it. I have friends and colleagues who profit from the industry, too (who are both genders might I add), so it is much more complex than demonizing an entire industry because of so many mitigating factors.

Human trafficking - bad.

Sex abuse and rape - bad.

Orgasm - bad? Or good?

Timely exchange of promised service and proper payment - bad? Or good?

The issue, I think, isn't so much as to make female sexuality sacrosanct so that it's put HIGH on the pedestal, or that it is made nonexistent so that women make no sexual choices whatsoever. Neither one of these viewpoints helps women nor prostitutes who are struggling.