Is prostitution "immoral"?

[9-10ths_Penguin]

What exactly did I say?

Since your position is rather inconsistent, I'd be wary about drawing inferences from your arguments.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

I have to come back to this:



Why do you add "for financial gain" in there?

I mean, there are power dynamics at play in any social interaction. If the power dynamics between men and women make all prostitution rape, then wouldn't this make all sex between them rape whether the woman gets paid or not? Power dynamics don't go away just because money isn't changing hands.

Some feminist like Dworkin believe that is always the case. I believe that sometimes it can be the case but there are mitigating circumstances that can change the power dynamic so it's not one of exploitation.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

I have to come back to this:



Why do you add "for financial gain" in there?

I mean, there are power dynamics at play in any social interaction. If the power dynamics between men and women make all prostitution rape, then wouldn't this make all sex between them rape whether the woman gets paid or not? Power dynamics don't go away just because money isn't changing hands.

Careful. We're heading fast into Andrea Dworkin territory here.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

Since your position is rather inconsistent, I'd be wary about drawing inferences from your arguments.

I said if two wealthy white males wanted go at it for money, no problem. Big difference from giving the ok to male prostitution in general.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

Careful. We're heading fast into Andrea Dworkin territory here.

I already mentioned her. Too late.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

I believe you were asked before about if the female prostitute was white and middle class, yet the client was a black lower class man, would she still be being exploited?

I was asked if a middle class white woman prostituted herself to a lower class black male would that be exploitation.

It's an unrealistic question. It's like asking me if an alien from the planet Phobo were to exchange meeps-meeps with an alien from the planet Gooba for gloops would that be exploitation.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

I already mentioned her. Too late.

No fair! You type faster than me! :computer:

 

[CynthiaCypher]

So women's inferior status is inherent to being a woman? Same for a man's superior status?
Is every black similarly inferior to whites? Where do Asians fit in this pecking order?
Does individual variation ever play a role in your philosophy, or are people defined entirely by group membership?

(I know it's a barrage of questions, but I think they'll help define your views.)

We live in a racist, homophobic, misogynistic society were money rules. Sorry if you don't like it but that is the truth.

Which reality do you live in?

 

[Revoltingest]

I was asked if a middle class white woman prostituted herself to a lower class black male would that be exploitation.
It's an unrealistic question. It's like asking me if an alien from the planet Phobo were to exchange meeps-meeps with an alien from the planet Gooba for gloops would that be exploitation.

Naw.....such "unrealistic" things do happen. (Not the meep-meep stuff.)
We pitiful humans may not simply declare possible events to be impossible.
So the question is a valid one, & your answer would be illuminating.

 

[Revoltingest]

We live in a racist, homophobic, misogynistic society were money rules. Sorry if you don't like it but that is the truth.
Which reality do you live in?

I live in a reality without truth, where even "facts" are questionable.
We each have only our unique perspective.
Your reality is quite foreign to me.
I see much greater diversity, with your description of the world being only a component of a larger picture.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

No fair! You type faster than me! :computer:

I used to believe everything she said when I was younger. It's easy to when your young and angry. It's like she channels alot of angry and it just sucks you in.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

I live in a reality without truth, where even "facts" are questionable.
We each have only our unique perspective.
Your reality is quite foreign to me.
I see much greater diversity, with your description of the world being only a component of a larger picture.

So you're Blanche duBois?

 

[MysticSang'ha]

I sed to believe everything she said when I was younger. It's easy to when your young and angry. It's like she channels alot of angry and it just sucks you in.

I agree. Her and Mackinnon both incite quite a bit, yes?

I walk mainly down the same road that sex-positive feminists walk. It's done my stomach acid a lot of good, personally.

 

[Revoltingest]

So you're Blanche duBois?

I never thought of it that way.
(I still don't. I distrust kindness in strangers....especially those bearing candy.)

Do you believe that there is an inerrant objective morality?
From what source does yours spring?

I agree. Her and Mackinnon both incite quite a bit, yes?
I walk mainly down the same road that sex-positive feminists walk. It's done my stomach acid a lot of good, personally.

Don't take this parenthetical aside the wrong way.
When I see you post, the phrase "evolved mind" pops in my head.
One more strange & sappy comment....
Humans would do well to emulate you.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I was asked if a middle class white woman prostituted herself to a lower class black male would that be exploitation.

It's an unrealistic question. It's like asking me if an alien from the planet Phobo were to exchange meeps-meeps with an alien from the planet Gooba for gloops would that be exploitation.

If you don't understand what "middle class white woman", "prostitution", and "lower class black male" mean, then exactly what are you arguing in this thread?

 

[CynthiaCypher]

I agree. Her and Mackinnon both incite quite a bit, yes?

I walk mainly down the same road that sex-positive feminists walk. It's done my stomach acid a lot of good, personally.

I agree with MacKinnon on sexual harassment, she did great work there. I disagree with her on outlawing pornography, whether I like it or not, it's still free speech.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

If you don't understand what "middle class white woman", "prostitution", and "lower class black male" mean, then exactly what are you arguing in this thread?

I know what those terms mean, it's just that the hypothetical has no basis in reality and I won't answer it.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

I never thought of it that way.
(I still don't. I distrust kindness in strangers....especially those bearing candy.)

Blanche duBois: I don't want realism. I want magic! Yes, yes, magic. I try to give that to people. I do misrepresent things. I don't tell truths. I tell what ought to be the truth.

Do you believe that there is an inerrant objective morality?
From what source does yours spring?
.

Like the Ten Commandments? No.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

Don't take this parenthetical aside the wrong way.
When I see you post, the phrase "evolved mind" pops in my head.
One more strange & sappy comment....
Humans would do well to emulate you.

I dunno. I think I'm foolish and insane most of the time.

I'd rather be the town fool than the pied piper. Less responsibility if I find myself falling off a cliff.

 

[Draka]

I know what those terms mean, it's just that the hypothetical has no basis in reality and I won't answer it.

Why do you think it has no basis in reality? Do you think it impossible for a black guy of small means to want to hire a prostitute? Do you think it impossible that the prostitute would happen to be white and happen to make more money than him? In reality, I think it's probably safe to assume that a prostitute, if they are good, makes more money than your average fast food worker. If a guy who works in fast food were to come upon having enough money to hire a hooker, then what makes it unrealistic that the hooker be white and make more money than him?