Is prostitution "immoral"?

[CynthiaCypher]

It hasn't endangered my family.
How would this happen?

Well when daddy comes home and gives a STD to mum that he got from the local prostitute, he just endangered the health and safety of mum.

And like when mum finds out that daddy just stepped out on her with a prostitute that just might break up that family.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

Yes. Our society is puritanical and hypocritical when it comes to sex. But how does prostitution challenge that? I don't think it does but in some ways helps perpetuate it.

How could it not? Regulated, there is a clean open system that is no longer confined to the underground; prostitution could become an art form as competition drives creativity. In a way, pornography has become more beautiful and erotic since it has become more publicly accepted.

And wouldn't education be more helpful? Teaching people that their sexuality is nothing to be ashamed of as long as it doesn't harm?

Education by all means! I only suggest that instead of looking at prostitution as a harmful thing, perhaps a different perspective is possible. When we attempted Prohibition, we found that unregulated alcohol use was far more harmful than regulated. Some states are starting to try that with medical marijuana.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

Well when daddy comes home and gives a STD to mum that he got from the local prostitute, he just endangered the health and safety of mum.

Luckily, there would be less of that in a regulated, public system, especially since daddy may not have to settle for just random women he doesn't know. He has access to clean, professional women he doesn't know.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

If a person's sexuality is nothing to be ashamed of, and they aren't harming anyone, then why should a person using their sexuality however they want be looked upon as doing something immoral? Aren't you kind of defeating your own position here?

As long has it does no harm, right? Do you agree if it does any harm whatsoever it should be considered immoral?

 

[Draka]

The family for one.

Go ahead and try to explain that one.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

How could it not? Regulated, there is a clean open system that is no longer confined to the underground; prostitution could become an art form as competition drives creativity. In a way, pornography has become more beautiful and erotic since it has become more publicly accepted.



Education by all means! I only suggest that instead of looking at prostitution as a harmful thing, perhaps a different perspective is possible. When we attempted Prohibition, we found that unregulated alcohol use was far more harmful than regulated. Some states are starting to try that with medical marijuana.

I want to address your first comment but in detail, so I am putting that on the backburner for now,

As for your second, I've kept telling people I am against prohibition and I believe education is the key. Education gives you more options.

I believe that both parties should be educated. I think the "johns" are paraphiliacs and they need help, most that I seen in the studies are misogynist. And the women need education, support and opportunity so they may have options other than prostitution.

 

[Draka]

Well when daddy comes home and gives a STD to mum that he got from the local prostitute, he just endangered the health and safety of mum.

And like when mum finds out that daddy just stepped out on her with a prostitute that just might break up that family.

As long has it does no harm, right? Do you agree if it does any harm whatsoever it should be considered immoral?

You are trying to pass the buck here and blame the prostitute for the actions of the cheating husband. It is the choice of the husband to cheat and to not use protection. The prostitute did not force the husband to seek her out. Prostitution does not cause harm in and of itself, the individual choices and circumstances may. Just like in anything.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

I want to address your first comment but in detail, so I am putting that on the backburner for now,

I understand.

I believe that both parties should be educated. I think the "johns" are paraphiliacs and they need help, most that I seen in the studies are misogynist. And the women need education, support and opportunity so they may have options other than prostitution.

That's true, but with it more in the public and regulated, there would hopefully be more professionalism, especially with healthy business competition.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

You are trying to pass the buck here and blame the prostitute for the actions of the cheating husband. It is the choice of the husband to cheat and to not use protection. The prostitute did not force the husband to seek her out. Prostitution does not cause harm in and of itself, the individual choices and circumstances may. Just like in anything.

I don't blame her at all, but these things happen like in real life. It's not "Pretty Women"

 

[nnmartin]

The social cost has little to do with the legality or illegality of prostitution but it's overall affects upon society. It endangers the social order, it endangers segments of society that should not be endangered.

how does in endanger the social order?

 

[CynthiaCypher]

I understand.



That's true, but with it more in the public and regulated, there would hopefully be more professionalism, especially with healthy business competition.

Now it becomes a matter of economics. Alot of the men who want the services might not be able to afford the services of a government regulated disease free working girl, so who will they turn to?

 

[Draka]

I don't blame her at all, but these things happen like in real life. It's not "Pretty Women"

Well, duh. But in those types of cases what could be called "immoral" is the act of cheating, not the act of prostitution. A man could just as easily cheat with a random girl at a bar or a coworker, but we don't say it's immoral for a woman to work with a man or to ever be in a bar do we?

 

[CynthiaCypher]

how does in endanger the social order?

I've already answered that question and I don't like repeating myself.

 

[nnmartin]

Well when daddy comes home and gives a STD to mum that he got from the local prostitute, he just endangered the health and safety of mum.

And like when mum finds out that daddy just stepped out on her with a prostitute that just might break up that family.

What about if you don't have a family?

I am sure many men that use sex-workers are single.

How is the social order affected in this case?

 

[nnmartin]

I believe that both parties should be educated. I think the "johns" are paraphiliacs and they need help,

how do you work out that a john is a paraphiliac - perhaps they are just men that find it more convenient to have easy sex.

Would you consider someone picking up a non-working girl from a bar to also be a paraphiliac - what is the difference?

 

[CynthiaCypher]

Well, duh. But in those types of cases what could be called "immoral" is the act of cheating, not the act of prostitution. A man could just as easily cheat with a random girl at a bar or a coworker, but we don't say it's immoral for a woman to work with a man or to ever be in a bar do we?

We don't live on an island of self. Everything we do affects someone else. So we have to be careful and considerate. Understand?

In my religion the very act of sex is a way to communion with God, so that is what informs me and the moralizing I do that you guys don't like. To me sex is sacred. From what I have experienced and seen that those who disvalue sex as nothing other but something we do for mere amusement is that they don't enjoy the richness and spirituality of this act.

I hope you understand where I am coming from.

 

[Draka]

We don't live on an island of self. Everything we do affects someone else. So we have to be careful and considerate. Understand?

In my religion the very act of sex is a way to communion with God, so that is what informs me and the moralizing I do that you guys don't like. To me sex is sacred. From what I have experienced and seen that those who disvalue sex as nothing other but something we do for mere amusement is that they don't enjoy the richness and spirituality of this act.

I hope you understand where I am coming from.

Along those lines I believe I have explained that, in my view, it is the relationship that is what matters which makes the sex more than just sex. It is quite possible to have sex for the sheer joy of it with someone you don't care about really and also to turn around and have a relationship with someone where the sex is on a whole different level. Hell, a touch of the hand means something different when the person doing the touching means something to you. It is emotion which really matters, not really the act itself, but the emotional intention behind it.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

Along those lines I believe I have explained that, in my view, it is the relationship that is what matters which makes the sex more than just sex. It is quite possible to have sex for the sheer joy of it with someone you don't care about really and also to turn around and have a relationship with someone where the sex is on a whole different level. Hell, a touch of the hand means something different when the person doing the touching means something to you. It is emotion which really matters, not really the act itself, but the emotional intention behind it.

I can't agree with you ever. It's like asking a Roman Catholic to just agree that the Eucharist is just bread and wine. In my religion the act of sex is the Eucharist, something I hold holy. I think it is best that you and I just agree to disagree.

 

[Revoltingest]

Now it becomes a matter of economics. Alot of the men who want the services might not be able to afford the services of a government regulated disease free working girl, so who will they turn to?

To government provided "social workers" provided by the IRS (Indigent Relief Service).

 

[Revoltingest]

Well when daddy comes home and gives a STD to mum that he got from the local prostitute, he just endangered the health and safety of mum.
And like when mum finds out that daddy just stepped out on her with a prostitute that just might break up that family.

This scenario isn't inherent in the hooker & john relationship.
It's certainly a wrong turn of events, but this could be argued about anything.
Is starting a business immoral because the commitment of time & money sometimes destroys a marriage?
(And yes, I've seen this happen a lot.)