Is prostitution "immoral"?

[CynthiaCypher]

It's also convenient for you to find her disingenuous, but you don't see me bringing that up.
Dang! I just did. There goes my moral high ground.

No it would be opportunistic not convenient for me to find "her" disingenuous. But I am not being opportunistic, I genuinely suspect sock puppetry at hand

But we will let the Staff determine that. :beach:

 

[McBell]

Uh huh. Sure. Right. I smell a sock puppet.

Of course you do.

But then, I can't wait to hear what lame excuse you will come up with to dismiss anything she says that you disagree with.

 

[madchis]

You're a very brave young lady! Thanks for commenting. My only question to you would be, did you at any point enjoy what you were doing? Like a regular that you got to know more than just sexually.

Yes, there were most of the time I enjoyed what I was doing otherwise I wouldn't be doing it. There are quite a few regulars that come to mind lol. Roger was always fun. He would pay me to accompany him to the horse races. We would have dinner, drinks and make some bets. And after we would fool around. No sexual penetration though.

There are so many fun times that I have had. A lot of times I felt like a therapist. They would tell me about their lives, ask for advice, and I think it just made some people feel better that they could tell me anything and I would listen (whether I was interested in listening or not) and never judge them. It was my Job to make them feel amazing in every way. Even if it was just an ego boost.

I had couples that were interested in 3 some experiences, but they didn't know anyone or trust anyone to try it with. Many people would call because they wanted to try something that was "not the norm" or that some people may find strange.

 

[madchis]

Some people are fine having sex for money, some aren't. Some people are fine stripping for money, some aren't. Some people are fine working two, full-time minimum wage jobs to make ends meet, some aren't. It's naive and small-minded to project our own standards of what we find okay onto others. Jobs and behaviors having to do with sex are a popular target, because so many people have deep, powerful issues with sex themselves. They find it hard to believe it isn't the biggest issue in the world for other people.

I completely agree with you. It is very hard for a lot of people to understand. I actually just recently quit escorting because I got into a relationship. It is very hard for my boyfriend to accept that I could get paid for sexual acts. He said that he feels that it makes it less special with us since I have been willing, and if I wasn't in a relationship, still be willing to get paid for it.

I asked him if he has ever had meaningless sex in his life. If he had ever had sex where it was just physical or he wasn't in love. Of course his reply was yes. So I asked him if just because he had sex that was just physical and not emotional how ever many times does that mean that every time after that he was always going to have meaningless sex? Of course not. Sex with the person you love, that you want to share life with will be meaningful.

When you masturbate do you have to be in love with yourself or your hand? Well no, of course it is just physical.

 

[madchis]

Welcome aboard!
We also have a former exotic dancer in the forum.
I'm sure you'll meet.

Thank you for the welcome. I have been browsing around here for a long time. When I saw this post, it hit home too much for me to not go ahead and make a profile and comment

 

[Sunstone]

I'm against prostitution on the grounds that some folks, somewhere, at sometime are going to enjoy it.

 

[nnmartin]

You can ask me anything you want really. I have plenty of real memories, some that aren't so great. But it's not a part of my life that I'm ashamed of in any way and it isn't something that i would change.

ok, hi

how do you feel about the johns?

do you think of them as just customers, normal guys wanting some action or maybe dirty old men?

do you ever enjoy having sex with them?

 

[nnmartin]

Anything is possible.
I've been accused of not being what I say.
I'll take people at face value until I spot inconsistencies.
Note that madchis hasn't called you a Poe.

I'll join that club too!

plenty here have called me troll and bigot.

I just let it fly over my head..:beach:

 

[madchis]

ok, hi

how do you feel about the johns?

do you think of them as just customers, normal guys wanting some action or maybe dirty old men?

do you ever enjoy having sex with them?

At first, when I was 18, no I didn't think of them as normal guys. I saw things much differently at the beginning. I learned over time about men and people in general. People want to feel like what they say matters and also they want to feel good physically. It really isn't that difficult. It is really so much more simple than people realize.

There are so many people that do not admit the things that go through their heads because they think someone will judge them.. We all feel this to a certain extent.. Not many of us are brave enough to say how we really feel and what we really want, not out of only sexuallity, but out of life in general. Many people are afraid to be the person they wish to be in so many ways.

It really all comes down to acceptance in a way. To have someone that will accept you no matter what. As well as, getting off of course, it feels great physically.

 

[Big_TJ]

It's just too convenient. And I am not a fundamentalist in the first place.

YOU AREN"T ??????:faint::faint::faint:

 

[Revoltingest]

No it would be opportunistic not convenient for me to find "her" disingenuous. But I am not being opportunistic, I genuinely suspect sock puppetry at hand
But we will let the Staff determine that. :beach:

Of course, I don't doubt your sincerity.
But I think the benefit of doubt should be given until demonstrably revokable.
Some things are best left to a PM to sympathetic parties.
(That's where I do a lot of my really nasty commenting. Spares some feelings.)

 

[madchis]

ok, hi

how do you feel about the johns?

do you think of them as just customers, normal guys wanting some action or maybe dirty old men?

do you ever enjoy having sex with them?

Sorry, last night I had some drinks with my girlfriend and got a little distracted and didn't answer all of your questions here.

Most are normal guys. They want the fantasy or the thrill. Acceptance plays a lot into it. Either mentally or physically. They want to indulge themselves. They just want to feel good. Some people I have come across are a little off. I think they could be classified as "dirty old men". But basically they want to play out their fantasies and it be ok or acceptable to do so, not be judged and feel good. Some of their fantasies were a little disturbing to me. But I would go a long because that's what they were paying me to do.

And to your last question... I actually have only had sexual intercourse with one client and it was because the money was the right amount at the time. Almost all of the time it would be things considered 4 play. When I first started escorting in Utah I was 18 and I had a boyfriend. So to me the actual intercourse was something that I was keeping just for him. I was a little silly back then. Oh if I could go back in time lol. I don't know if it was because I was an escort that it wasn't all about the sex. A lot of guys would talk my freaking ear off. Maybe if I would have been working on the street then I'm sure I would not have been able to have been so picky and not have sexual intercourse. I'm really not sure. But the guys would pay good money just for company.

Anyways, I would charge what most would think an outrageous amount for intercourse. And the last time that I was working, I already had the experience of being able to make people happy without necessarily having sex. There were a couple of clients I planned on doing it with, for the right amount of money, but i quit working. BUT... I have got off with clients before and a lot of times they really really wanted to get me off. Yes I enjoyed myself physically with clients. It was kinda nice because I could get off, they could get off and that was that. No arguments, No differences to work out, No one to argue over what tv show to watch or whatever else lol. So for both of us involved it was a win. And I made some great money and they got to feel like the man and be sexual with a pretty girl that was usually waayyyy younger than them.

Well I hope I answered your question a little better this time, since I'm not tipsy now. hehe I tend to really lose track of the point I'm trying to make if I have had drinks. Sorry bout that lol

 

[Banner]

Yes.


Different people determine in different ways.
You seem to like the appeal to emotion approach.
No worries there, lots and lots of people do.


If you determine right from wrong based upon how you feel, then by all means go right ahead.
Just do not expect everyone else to agree with you.


Prostitution is not universally frowned upon.
this is evidenced remarkably well by the fact that all attempts to stop it have been complete and utter fails.

Um....ok. Back atcha. I don't expect others to agree with me. Did I imply that I expected that? And by all means continue to believe that you don't determine your morals by how things make you feel. No worries there, lots and lots of people do.

 

[nnmartin]

And to your last question... I actually have only had sexual intercourse with one client and it was because the money was the right amount at the time.
Anyways, I would charge what most would think an outrageous amount for intercourse. And the last time that I was working, I already had the experience of being able to make people happy without necessarily having sex.

so you say here that you only had intercourse the once and charged a very high amount of money for it.

so two questions arise here.

-do you think having intercourse with clients is immmoral , hence your abstinence and do you think that charging an 'outrageuous' sum for this one time is exploitation of the the man?

 

[McBell]

Um....ok. Back atcha. I don't expect others to agree with me. Did I imply that I expected that? And by all means continue to believe that you don't determine your morals by how things make you feel. No worries there, lots and lots of people do.

Translation: :ignore:

 

[Banner]

Translation: :ignore:

Sorry I don't speak emoticon very well lol. But I think you misunderstand my position just because I personally don't like prostitution. I actually think it might be ok if it was legal. But I'm just that way. I think lots of things should be legal. It's....not as if I think a sex exchange is immoral. But I do think people determine their personal morals by some internal standard based off how things make them feel.

 

[nnmartin]

what does Mestemia base his morals on is the question.

anyway, I can't see any difference between a one night stand type arrangement or paying for it per hour.

is there really a difference?


Of course, if I had a girlfriend that went out and did occasianal 'part time work' she would no longer be a girlfriend but just a sexual partner.

 

[McBell]

what does Mestemia base his morals on is the question.

I base my morals on what I believe to be right and wrong.

anyway, I can't see any difference between a one night stand type arrangement or paying for it per hour.

I bet the person getting paid sees a difference.

is there really a difference?

The currency.

Of course, if I had a girlfriend that went out and did occasianal 'part time work' she would no longer be a girlfriend but just a sexual partner.

what is the difference between a girlfriend and sexual partner?

 

[nnmartin]

in many cases, not much I'm sure!

 

[Banner]

what does Mestemia base his morals on is the question.

anyway, I can't see any difference between a one night stand type arrangement or paying for it per hour.

is there really a difference?



Of course, if I had a girlfriend that went out and did occasianal 'part time work' she would no longer be a girlfriend but just a sexual partner.

I'd say yes for sure. When people have a one night stand do they say "Hey you wanna go @#$%?? Just for tonight though. Just a simple exchange of orgasms."? Lol...nah. If we did then maybe it would be the same.