Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

[jonathan180iq]

So far those who have opposed my viewpoint have referred to the verses having names which happen to have nominal similarity with those in the Torah, though the events narrated in Quran starkly differ with Torah.

Such verses with such nominal names would be at the most 5% of Quran, my guess. We can easily in supposition ignore them as they don't form the prime and core teachings of Quran/Islam/Muhammad as I wrote in another thread even without such verses, Quranic teachings would not be incomplete. For details prefer refer to that thread.*

Here please concentrate on the 95% verses of Quran, just a suggestion, and prove your viewpoint.

Can you? Please

Regards

*P.S. "Even without Torah stories, Quranic teachings and commandments remain unaffected"
http://www.religiousforums.com/foru...-without-torah-stories-quranic-teachings.html

Jesus H. Christ! Your reading & comprehension skills are terrible.

 

[idav]

*P.S. "Even without Torah stories, Quranic teachings and commandments remain unaffected"
http://www.religiousforums.com/foru...-without-torah-stories-quranic-teachings.html

OK, that means to me, what the heck you need the quran for then. The reason is precisely that the torah mythology was copied and readapted.

 

[paarsurrey]

Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

The Holy Quran : Chapter 78: Al-Naba' [4]

[78:31] ‘Taste ye therefore the punishment: We will give you no increase except in
[78:32] Verily, for the righteous is a triumph:
[78:33] Walled gardens and grape-vines,
[78:34] And young maidens of equal age,
[78:35] And overflowing cups.
[78:36] Therein they will hear no idle talk nor lying:
[78:37] A recompense from thy Lord — a gift in proportion to their works —
[78:38] Lord of the heavens and the earth and all that is between them, the Gracious. They shall not have the power to address Him.
[78:39] On the day when the Spirit and the angels will stand in rows, they shall not speak, except he whom the Gracious God will permit and who will speak only what is right.
[78:40] That day is sure to come. So let him, who will, seek recourse unto his Lord.
[78:41] Verily, We have warned you of a punishment which is near at hand: a day when man will see what his hands have sent on before, and the disbeliever will say, ‘Would that I were mere dust!’

The Holy Quran Arabic text with Translation in English text and Search Engine - Al Islam Online

Please prove that these verses have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious revealed scripture in the world by quoting from that book, the reference and providing the link.

Quran is authored by G-d, it is the reality.

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

OK, that means to me, what the heck you need the quran for then. The reason is precisely that the torah mythology was copied and readapted.

That could be a "Pantheist"-ic view, my/our viewpoint is different. And I have been expressing it all along.

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

Jesus H. Christ! Your reading & comprehension skills are terrible.

Thanks for your appreciation.

Regards

 

[Harikrish]

Please prove that verses of Quran Chapter 78: Al-Naba' given above in post #781have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious scripture in the world by quoting from that book, the reference and providing the link.

Regards

They are all mentioned in the Bible. The garden, heaven, angels , etc. etc. there are many things also in the Quran than will not be found in the Bible. Mohammad was an illiterate. He did not know what the scribes were writing. The scribes had to make sense of what this uneducated illiterate prophet was reciting so it could be coherent. Remember even Mohammad thought he was going mad when these voices in his head grew louder. He even told his wife Khadijah about his disturbed state of mind.

 

[idav]

That could be a "Pantheist"-ic view, my/our viewpoint is different. And I have been expressing it all along.

Regards

That should be for a monotheistic viewpoint. A polytheist would divide the earth into parts for all the gods, a monotheist would think its god of the whole earth not just some people here and there separated by hundreds of years whom continue to fight over it to this day.

 

[paarsurrey]

That should be for a monotheistic viewpoint. A polytheist would divide the earth into parts for all the gods, a monotheist would think its god of the whole earth not just some people here and there separated by hundreds of years whom continue to fight over it to this day.

I don't agree with you. You are however free to believe to whatever you want to believe.

I will discuss on the topic of the thread presently.

Thanks and regards

 

[paarsurrey]

They are all mentioned in the Bible. The garden, heaven, angels , etc. etc. there are many things also in the Quran than will not be found in the Bible. Mohammad was an illiterate. He did not know what the scribes were writing. The scribes had to make sense of what this uneducated illiterate prophet was reciting so it could be coherent. Remember even Mohammad thought he was going mad when these voices in his head grew louder. He even told his wife Khadijah about his disturbed state of mind.

You are simply wrong.

Regards

 

[Harikrish]

You are simply wrong.

Regards

Quran 68:2 Verse 68:2 By the favour of your Lord (God) you (Prophet Muhammad) are not a mad man.

Why was this inserted in the Quran to certify the prophet was not a madman? Were the people so concerned about the mental status of the prophet Mohammad that God had to reassure them those voices their prophet was hearing were his.

 

[paarsurrey]

I have started a new thread just now.

"Muhammad- the wisest human being"
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/religious-debates/169667-muhammad-wisest-human-being.html

Regards

 

[Harikrish]

I have started a new thread just now.

"Muhammad- the wisest human being"
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/religious-debates/169667-muhammad-wisest-human-being.html

Regards

Will you be responding to my post?

Quran 68:2 Verse 68:2 By the favour of your Lord (God) you (Prophet Muhammad) are not a mad man.

Why was this inserted in the Quran to certify the prophet was not a madman? Were the people so concerned about the mental status of the prophet Mohammad that God had to reassure them those voices their prophet was hearing were his?

 

[paarsurrey]

Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

The Holy Quran : Chapter 77: Al-Mursalat [1]

[77:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
[77:2] By the angels who are sent forth with goodness,
[77:3] And then they push on with a forceful pushing,
[77:4] And by the forces that spread the truth, a good spreading,
[77:5] And then they distinguish fully between good and evil.
[77:6] Then they carry the exhortation far and wide
[77:7] To excuse some and warn others.
[77:8] Verily, that which you are promised must come to pass.
[77:9] So when the stars are made to lose their light,
[77:10] And when the heaven is rent asunder,

The Holy Quran Arabic text with Translation in English text and Search Engine - Al Islam Online

Please prove that these verses have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious revealed scripture in the world by quoting from that book, the reference and providing the link.

Quran is authored by G-d, it is the reality.

Regards

 

[Harikrish]

Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

The Holy Quran : Chapter 77: Al-Mursalat [1]

[77:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
[77:2] By the angels who are sent forth with goodness,
[77:3] And then they push on with a forceful pushing,
[77:4] And by the forces that spread the truth, a good spreading,
[77:5] And then they distinguish fully between good and evil.
[77:6] Then they carry the exhortation far and wide
[77:7] To excuse some and warn others.
[77:8] Verily, that which you are promised must come to pass.
[77:9] So when the stars are made to lose their light,
[77:10] And when the heaven is rent asunder,

The Holy Quran Arabic text with Translation in English text and Search Engine - Al Islam Online

Please prove that these verses have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious revealed scripture in the world by quoting from that book, the reference and providing the link.

Quran is authored by G-d, it is the reality.

Regards

It took the prophet 23 years to recite the Quran and at the end if his life he still couldn't read a single line in it because he remained illiterate. One would think God with his infinite power and wisdom could have granted Mohammad the ability to read. Why deny the prophet along with 800 million Muslims what is enjoyed by people the world over, the ability to read and write.

 

[idav]

It took the prophet 23 years to recite the Quran and at the end if his life he still couldn't read a single line in it because he remained illiterate.

Thats pretty sad, and he is supposed to know what being a muslim is from the quran? Thats ridiculous.

 

[paarsurrey]

Thats pretty sad, and he is supposed to know what being a muslim is from the quran? Thats ridiculous.

I don't agree with you.

Regards

 

[gnostic]

As idav pointed out, in this quote below...

And We have built over you seven strong heavens;

Jewish scholars started the 7 heaven cosmology.

In the course of the 1st millennium CE Jewish scholars developed an elaborate system of Seven Heavens,
Heaven in Judaism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

...the author of the Qur'an didn't just borrow ideas from the Hebrew scriptures (Tanakh or the Old Testament) and the Christian scriptures (New Testament), the author had also borrowed from non-canonical the Apocrypha and the Pseudigrapha, from rabbinic literature (like the Midrash, or any writings of Jewish scholars that predated Muhammad and the Qur'an).

The seven-heaven cosmology doesn't appear in the Tanakh, but did 1st appear in the 1st century CE, and most scholars today think that the Secret Book of Enoch, also known as 2 Enoch, was originally written in this same century (in Greek).

According to the Islamic tradition (hadith) about Isra and Mi'raj (the Night Journey), Muhammad supposed visited not only a mosque in Jerusalem (which Qur'an 17:1 referred to as al-Masjid al-Aqsa or "the farthest mosque", which clearly didn't exist in Muhammad's time), but it is narrated that Muhammad had journeyed through 7 heavens to meet god. This whole visit to 7 heavens, is borrowing exactly the same idea of Enoch's own visit to meet god, in 2 Enoch.

The details may be different, but the concepts are the same; the Islamic stories plagiarized the idea from older sources. Of course, the Qur'an only allude to journey, nevertheless, we have Muslims copying or adapting older pre-Islamic sources.

In 1 Kings (1 to 11), we have Solomon being a king who gained wisdom, but in Rabbinic Midrash (that started in 2nd century CE) and other stories, Solomon could speak to or understand languages of animals, just like that in the Qur'an.

Below is another example of the author plagiarizing idea from the pre-Islamic non-scriptural. In Qur'an 5:32, a verse about if one murder one human, is like one has murder all of mankind:

Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely.

The Qur'an has plagiarized what the famous 1st century BCE Jewish scholar - Hillel the Elder (c. 110 BCE - 10 CE) wrote, and preserved in the Talmud:

"As Hillel the Elder had stated, whosoever destroys a soul, it is considered as if he destroyed an entire world. And whosoever that saves a life, it is considered as if he saved an entire world."

Although, I have seen Muslims quoted this verse from the Qur'an in this threads, I doubt many (including Muhammad) knew the words actually originated centuries before Muhammad's time.

 

[idav]

Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

The Holy Quran : Chapter 77: Al-Mursalat [1]

[77:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
[77:2] By the angels who are sent forth with goodness,
[77:3] And then they push on with a forceful pushing,
[77:4] And by the forces that spread the truth, a good spreading,
[77:5] And then they distinguish fully between good and evil.
[77:6] Then they carry the exhortation far and wide
[77:7] To excuse some and warn others.
[77:8] Verily, that which you are promised must come to pass.
[77:9] So when the stars are made to lose their light,
[77:10] And when the heaven is rent asunder,

The Holy Quran Arabic text with Translation in English text and Search Engine - Al Islam Online

Please prove that these verses have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious revealed scripture in the world by quoting from that book, the reference and providing the link.

Quran is authored by G-d, it is the reality.

Regards

There is way too much similarrity between judaism and muslim to just ignore.

Islam, like Christianity, accepts the Jewish Bible and is based largely upon Jewish ideas and traditions. The philosophical underpinnings of Islam, however, are more closely aligned with those of Judaism. Whereas Christianity incorporates the idea of the “trinity,” Islam believes in one all-powerful, infinite God.Mohammed, the founder of Islam, based many of his beliefs on the practices of local Jewish population in his native Mecca. For example, the Moslem practices of not eating pig, circumcision, daily prayer and fasting during the first month of the year were all culled directly from Judaism.Since Islam was so similar to Judaism, Mohammed assumed the Jews would immediately accept this new religion. When the Jews did not live up to his expectations, he turned violently against them and many Jews died by the sword. (We are still suffering from this today; may there be peace soon.)

Judaism and Islam

 

[Harikrish]

Islam, like Christianity, accepts the Jewish Bible and is based largely upon Jewish ideas and traditions. The philosophical underpinnings of Islam, however, are more closely aligned with those of Judaism. Whereas Christianity incorporates the idea of the “trinity,” Islam believes in one all-powerful, infinite God.Mohammed, the founder of Islam, based many of his beliefs on the practices of local Jewish population in his native Mecca. For example, the Moslem practices of not eating pig, circumcision, daily prayer and fasting during the first month of the year were all culled directly from Judaism.Since Islam was so similar to Judaism, Mohammed assumed the Jews would immediately accept this new religion. When the Jews did not live up to his expectations, he turned violently against them and many Jews died by the sword. (We are still suffering from this today; may there be peace soon.)

Judaism and Islam

Is the problem then the inability of the Jews to protect and defend their ideas and traditions allowing religions like Christianity and Islam to exploit their scriptures and use it to enhance their own popularity. Both Christianity and Islam have borrowed from Judaism biblical characters and prophets and made it their own to lend credibility to their beliefs at the exploitation of the Jews who ironically are condemned for apparently rejecting their own prophets.

 

[idav]

Is the problem then the inability of the Jews to protect and defend their ideas and traditions allowing religions like Christianity and Islam to exploit their scriptures and use it to enhance their own popularity. Both Christianity and Islam have borrowed from Judaism biblical characters and prophets and made it their own to lend credibility to their beliefs at the exploitation of the Jews who ironically are condemned for apparently rejecting their own prophets.

Yeah, exactly it is one huge cluster.

The article I pointed said the major difference too.

The real difference between the two religions, however, lies in their basis for belief. Judaism is based on the unique historical event of a divine revelation experienced by the entire nation. Whereas Islam is based on the prophetic claims of a single individual who subsequently convinced others to follow his ways.
Judaism and Islam