Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

[paarsurrey]

Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

The Holy Quran : Chapter 78: Al-Naba' [2]

[78:11] And We have made the night as a covering,
[78:12] And We have made the day for the activities of life.
[78:13] And We have built over you seven strong heavens;
[78:14] And We have made the sun a bright lamp.
[78:15] And We send down from the dripping clouds water pouring forth abundantly,
[78:16] That We may bring forth thereby grain and vegetation,
[78:17] And gardens of luxuriant growth.
[78:18] Surely, the Day of Decision has an appointed time:
[78:19] The day when the trumpet will be blown; and you will come in large groups;
[78:20] And the heaven shall be opened and shall become all doors;

The Holy Quran Arabic text with Translation in English text and Search Engine - Al Islam Online

Please prove that these verses have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious scripture in the world by quoting from that book, the reference and providing the link.

Quran is authored by G-d, it is reality.

Regard

 

[outhouse]

is your intellect so POOR you cannot understand a simple definition posted before you?

Plagiarism | Define Plagiarism at Dictionary.com


an act or instance of using or closely imitating the language and thoughts of another author without authorization and the representation of that author's work as one's own, as by not crediting the original author:

 

[paarsurrey]

The Tanakh or the the Old Testament tell of some sins of whom you call prophets.

Genesis 9:20, Noah was supposedly the first to grow grapes and made wine, and got intoxicated, and according to Islam, drinking alcohol is considered a sin. The Qur'an leave that out.

In Exodus 2:11-15, Moses had murdered an Egyptian, hence a sin. The Qur'an 28:15 seemed to indicate the death was accidental, and blame Satan for his action.

In the story of king David and Bathsheba (2 Samuel 11), he committed adultery with his friend's wife, got Bathsheba pregnant, and arranged so Uriah was killed and married her. In Islam, David was considered a prophet. The Qur'an leave out this story, while Hadiths indicated that David didn't commit adultery, and only married Bathsheba when she became widow.

All three stories are contradicted by Islamic versions. To me, Islam whitewash the original versions, creating alternative myths. The Qur'an and Islamic traditions adapted the original versions, and made the prophets less than human.

Quran is not a book of stories; so why should Quran mention them?

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

Then why insist that the prophets are sinless and deny the stories of the prophets as told in the tanakh? Cause your grasping at straws.

Sins are doing a wrong thing against the commandment of G-d. Mistakes are done in ordinary temporal matters.

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

Please prove that verses of Quran Chapter 78: Al-Naba' given above in post #781have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious scripture in the world by quoting from that book, the reference and providing the link.

Regards

 

[Harikrish]

All the biblical characters were first introduced in the Bible. Adam, Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Mary. There's biblical characters are reproduced in the Quran by Mohammad with a few variations, but they are easily identified as biblical characters. Mohammad not being an eyewitness to any of those prophets before him could only plagiarize the stories from the bible. But being illiterate himself, Mohammad got help from his scribes to plagiarize it for him.

 

[idav]

All the biblical characters were first introduced in the Bible. Adam, Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Mary. There's biblical characters are reproduced in the Quran by Mohammad with a few variations, but they are easily identified as biblical characters. Mohammad not being an eyewitness to any of those prophets before him could only plagiarize the stories from the bible. But being illiterate himself, Mohammad got help from his scribes to plagiarize it for him.

He got help from his first wife too, I heard she was zorastrianism or something similar.

 

[paarsurrey]

All the biblical characters were first introduced in the Bible. Adam, Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Mary. There's biblical characters are reproduced in the Quran by Mohammad with a few variations, but they are easily identified as biblical characters. Mohammad not being an eyewitness to any of those prophets before him could only plagiarize the stories from the bible. But being illiterate himself, Mohammad got help from his scribes to plagiarize it for him.

Please read post #781, it does not mention of the characters mentioned by you.

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

He got help from his first wife too, I heard she was zorastrianism or something similar.

No, she was not Zoroastrian.

Regards

 

[idav]

Please read post #781, it does not mention of the characters mentioned by you.

Regards

Thats not the point. The quran does mention those characters.

 

[idav]

Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

The Holy Quran : Chapter 78: Al-Naba' [2]

[78:11] And We have made the night as a covering,
[78:12] And We have made the day for the activities of life.

Reference from genesis.

[78:13] And We have built over you seven strong heavens;

Jewish scholars started the 7 heaven cosmology.

In the course of the 1st millennium CE Jewish scholars developed an elaborate system of Seven Heavens,
Heaven in Judaism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[78:14] And We have made the sun a bright lamp.

Refrence to Revelations.

[78:15] And We send down from the dripping clouds water pouring forth abundantly,
[78:16] That We may bring forth thereby grain and vegetation,
[78:17] And gardens of luxuriant growth.

Reference to Genesis.

[78:18] Surely, the Day of Decision has an appointed time:
[78:19] The day when the trumpet will be blown; and you will come in large groups;
[78:20] And the heaven shall be opened and shall become all doors;

Reference to Revelations and New Testament in general.

Any questions?

 

[paarsurrey]

Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

The Holy Quran : Chapter 78: Al-Naba' [3]

[78:21] And the mountains shall be made to move and shall become as if they were a mirage.
[78:22] Surely Hell lies in ambush,
[78:23] A home for the rebellious,
[78:24] Who will tarry therein for ages.
[78:25] They will taste therein neither sleep nor drink,
[78:26] Save boiling water and a stinking fluid —
[78:27] A meet requital.
[78:28] Verily, they feared not the reckoning,
[78:29] And rejected Our Signs totally.
[78:30] And every thing have We recorded in a Book.

The Holy Quran Arabic text with Translation in English text and Search Engine - Al Islam Online

Please prove that these verses have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious scripture in the world by quoting from that book, the reference and providing the link.

Quran is authored by G-d, it is the reality.

Regards

 

[jonathan180iq]

Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

The Holy Quran : Chapter 78: Al-Naba' [3]

[78:21] And the mountains shall be made to move and shall become as if they were a mirage.
[78:22] Surely Hell lies in ambush,
[78:23] A home for the rebellious,
[78:24] Who will tarry therein for ages.
[78:25] They will taste therein neither sleep nor drink,
[78:26] Save boiling water and a stinking fluid —
[78:27] A meet requital.
[78:28] Verily, they feared not the reckoning,
[78:29] And rejected Our Signs totally.
[78:30] And every thing have We recorded in a Book.

The Holy Quran Arabic text with Translation in English text and Search Engine - Al Islam Online

Please prove that these verses have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious scripture in the world by quoting from that book, the reference and providing the link.

Quran is authored by G-d, it is the reality.

Regards

Posting 10 verses and asking for proof that those 10 verses were plagiarized is only ever going to receive answers to those 10 specific verses... Perhaps those 10 are original.

What about the verses that have been given to you in this thread showing where the Quran has obviously copied information from the Torah or Bible that is factually known to be incorrect...

Your claim is that the Quran was not copied from any other religious text but spoken directly to page by the mouth of god. Under that premise, if there is a single incident of plagiarism then your entire assertion fails. It seems to me that because of that you, and others in the faith like you, are going to try exorbitantly hard to try and justify and rationalize each and every one of those blatantly plagiarized instances in order to maintain your flawed ideal.

The fact is, the Quran used source material from the previous books of the Abrahamic faith in order to create a religion that it hoped would supersede those in the region at the time of its writing. The writers of the Quran mildly understood the texts and beliefs of the Jewsish and Christian traditions and used their own source material to rewrite History and proclaim a new, solidifying religion... Not a terrible idea, honestly. But since then, there has been this obsession with Muslim flawlessness that is absolutely unncessary in the minds of anyone except for its most devout members. In your insecurity you play the card of perfection and direction authorship and, surprise surprise, no one really ******* cares. What you guys fail to realize when you do this is that claiming that a flawed book, filled with historical inaccuracies and even grammatical errors, is written by your god not only reflects poorly on your reasoning and logic but it also reflects poorly on your god.

No one is ever going to follow this belief system once unbiased education is injected into your societies.

Islam, today, is having the same problem that Christianity had before books were written in the common language. When the interpretation and even the reading is left up to the clergy and not the common man, then there will always be a disconnect. This disconnect must exist, because you fear what will happen when people are allowed to start thinking for themselves... Use Christianity as an example - despite the obvious and ridiculous flaws in the Bible, it has continue to spread.

It is not a terrible thing to accept that something isn't perfect, or divinely inspired, or to admit that mistake have been made in the name of the faith. The fact of the matter is, despite all of your resistance, those things are true and no manner of rejecting that truth will make it go away. Until Islam unanimously rejects fundamentalism, and openly embraces its past atrocities, it's going to remain the butt of the vast majority of social and cultural jokes.

 

[outhouse]

The fact is,.

These ancient people had no idea of free will.

So when someone came up with holy words on their own, modifying the bible, to them it was god talking to them. Must be that angel in those other books.

Prophet simple meant someone who talks about god. It had nothing to do with the modern version of telling the future.


Of course were talking about reality to people that spend their whole lives avoiding it.

 

[paarsurrey]

These ancient people had no idea of free will.

So when someone came up with holy words on their own, modifying the bible, to them it was god talking to them. Must be that angel in those other books.

Prophet simple meant someone who talks about god. It had nothing to do with the modern version of telling the future.


Of course were talking about reality to people that spend their whole lives avoiding it.

The "Atheisticly" are mythical in another sense and other words.

Regards

 

[idav]

Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

The Holy Quran : Chapter 78: Al-Naba' [2]

[78:11] And We have made the night as a covering,
[78:12] And We have made the day for the activities of life.
[78:13] And We have built over you seven strong heavens;
[78:14] And We have made the sun a bright lamp.
[78:15] And We send down from the dripping clouds water pouring forth abundantly,
[78:16] That We may bring forth thereby grain and vegetation,
[78:17] And gardens of luxuriant growth.
[78:18] Surely, the Day of Decision has an appointed time:
[78:19] The day when the trumpet will be blown; and you will come in large groups;
[78:20] And the heaven shall be opened and shall become all doors;

The Holy Quran Arabic text with Translation in English text and Search Engine - Al Islam Online

Please prove that these verses have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious scripture in the world by quoting from that book, the reference and providing the link.

Quran is authored by G-d, it is reality.

Regard

Reference from genesis.

Jewish scholars started the 7 heaven cosmology.



Refrence to Revelations.

Reference to Genesis.

Reference to Revelations and New Testament in general.

Any questions?

So what was new in those verses?

 

[paarsurrey]

Posting 10 verses and asking for proof that those 10 verses were plagiarized is only ever going to receive answers to those 10 specific verses... Perhaps those 10 are original.

What about the verses that have been given to you in this thread showing where the Quran has obviously copied information from the Torah or Bible that is factually known to be incorrect...

Your claim is that the Quran was not copied from any other religious text but spoken directly to page by the mouth of god. Under that premise, if there is a single incident of plagiarism then your entire assertion fails. It seems to me that because of that you, and others in the faith like you, are going to try exorbitantly hard to try and justify and rationalize each and every one of those blatantly plagiarized instances in order to maintain your flawed ideal.

The fact is, the Quran used source material from the previous books of the Abrahamic faith in order to create a religion that it hoped would supersede those in the region at the time of its writing. The writers of the Quran mildly understood the texts and beliefs of the Jewsish and Christian traditions and used their own source material to rewrite History and proclaim a new, solidifying religion... Not a terrible idea, honestly. But since then, there has been this obsession with Muslim flawlessness that is absolutely unncessary in the minds of anyone except for its most devout members. In your insecurity you play the card of perfection and direction authorship and, surprise surprise, no one really ******* cares. What you guys fail to realize when you do this is that claiming that a flawed book, filled with historical inaccuracies and even grammatical errors, is written by your god not only reflects poorly on your reasoning and logic but it also reflects poorly on your god.

No one is ever going to follow this belief system once unbiased education is injected into your societies.

Islam, today, is having the same problem that Christianity had before books were written in the common language. When the interpretation and even the reading is left up to the clergy and not the common man, then there will always be a disconnect. This disconnect must exist, because you fear what will happen when people are allowed to start thinking for themselves... Use Christianity as an example - despite the obvious and ridiculous flaws in the Bible, it has continue to spread.

It is not a terrible thing to accept that something isn't perfect, or divinely inspired, or to admit that mistake have been made in the name of the faith. The fact of the matter is, despite all of your resistance, those things are true and no manner of rejecting that truth will make it go away. Until Islam unanimously rejects fundamentalism, and openly embraces its past atrocities, it's going to remain the butt of the vast majority of social and cultural jokes.

Perhaps those 10 are original.

So far those who have opposed my viewpoint have referred to the verses having names which happen to have nominal similarity with those in the Torah, though the events narrated in Quran starkly differ with Torah.

Such verses with such nominal names would be at the most 5% of Quran, my guess. We can easily in supposition ignore them as they don't form the prime and core teachings of Quran/Islam/Muhammad as I wrote in another thread even without such verses, Quranic teachings would not be incomplete. For details prefer refer to that thread.*

Here please concentrate on the 95% verses of Quran, just a suggestion, and prove your viewpoint.

Can you? Please

Regards

*P.S. "Even without Torah stories, Quranic teachings and commandments remain unaffected"
http://www.religiousforums.com/foru...-without-torah-stories-quranic-teachings.html

 

[outhouse]

[78:13] And We have built over you seven strong heavens;

Was plagiarized from jewish mythology


According to the Talmud, the universe is made of seven heavens


This existed long before islam

 

[paarsurrey]

The thread is about Quran/Torah.
Does one testify that Quran is not copied/plagiarized/adapted from Torah?

Regards

 

[idav]

The thread is about Quran/Torah.
Does one testify that Quran is not copied/plagiarized/adapted from Torah?

Regards

Yes like people have been saying. And the new testament too which precedes the quran.