Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

[idav]

Muhammad was more a politician and war monger than a spiritual leader.

 

[paarsurrey]

Muhammad was more a politician and war monger than a spiritual leader.

I don't agree with you.
Muhammad was the greatest spiritual leader.

Regards

 

[jonathan180iq]

I don't agree with you.
Muhammad was the greatest spiritual leader.

Regards

I don't agree with you

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

The Holy Quran : Chapter 77: Al-Mursalat [2]

[77:11] And when the mountains are blown away,
[77:12] And when the Messengers are made to appear at the appointed time —
[77:13] For what day has the time of these happenings been appointed?
[77:14] For the Day of Decision.
[77:15] And what should make thee know what the Day of Decision is! —
[77:16] Woe on that day unto those who reject the truth!
[77:17] Did We not destroy the earlier peoples?
[77:18] We will now cause the later ones to follow them.
[77:19] Thus do We deal with the guilty.
[77:20] Woe on that day unto those who reject the truth!

The Holy Quran Arabic text with Translation in English text and Search Engine - Al Islam Online

Please prove that these verses have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious revealed scripture in the world by quoting from that book, the reference and providing the link.

Quran is authored by G-d, it is the reality.

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[paarsurrey]

It took the prophet 23 years to recite the Quran and at the end if his life he still couldn't read a single line in it because he remained illiterate. One would think God with his infinite power and wisdom could have granted Mohammad the ability to read. Why deny the prophet along with 800 million Muslims what is enjoyed by people the world over, the ability to read and write.

You people are strange.

Muhammad did not know reading and writing. He cannot be blamed for being illiterate , he was an orphan as a child and in those social conditions of Arabia he had no means to learn .

In a way it was a boon, he got all knowledge he had from G-d directly. He did not study Torah or NT-Bible, even then people blame him for copying/polarization/adaptation from them.

Had Muhammad knew reading and writing, then they would have blamed him with even a great stress and fervor?

They cannot understand the matter realistically.

Regards

 

[jonathan180iq]

Why didn't god, in his almighty power, just zap some literacy into his head? I mean, if he was going to bother talking to him and flying him around to heaven and stuff...why not?

If we are going to stretch our view of existence to accept magic flying men, then why is that not a logical question?

You can't seem to understand the matter realistically.

 

[Harikrish]

Why didn't god, in his almighty power, just zap some literacy into his head? I mean, if he was going to bother talking to him and flying him around to heaven and stuff...why not?

If we are going to stretch our view of existence to accept magic flying men, then why is that not a logical question?

You can't seem to understand the matter realistically.

It would appear odd to anyone with the smallest understand of Gods wisdom that God would give his prophet Mohammad the Quran but not give him the ability to read it. But God then asks his believers to follow God and ordered his messenger Mohammad to explain the Quran. Did God forget the poor prophet was an illiterate? Mohammad could not explain anything, he could only recite from memory.

 

[jonathan180iq]

It would appear odd to anyone with the smallest understand of Gods wisdom that God would give his prophet Mohammad the Quran but not give him the ability to read it. But God then asks his believers to follow God and ordered his messenger Mohammad to explain the Quran. Did God forget the poor prophet was an illiterate? Mohammad could not explain anything, he could only recite from memory.

But it's totally OK because Mohammed was a perfect prophet...

 

[idav]

I don't agree with you.
Muhammad was the greatest spiritual leader.

Regards

Hardly, thats a pretty big list to contend against, muhammads efforts caused more war than peace. How is he in the running?

 

[Al-Fatihah]

Hardly, thats a pretty big list to contend against, muhammads efforts caused more war than peace. How is he in the running?

Response: The Prophet was the one being attacked and under persecution first. Not the other way around. Therefore, his actions are not the cause of more war than peace. Rather, they are the result of more peace in defense of war.

 

[jonathan180iq]

Is it possible for a single Muslim to at least admit that the faith has made some serious mistakes throughout the years?

 

[idav]

Response: The Prophet was the one being attacked and under persecution first. Not the other way around. Therefore, his actions are not the cause of more war than peace. Rather, they are the result of more peace in defense of war.

You have some history to back that up? Last I heard Muhammad wasn't exactly losing battles.

 

[idav]

Is it possible for a single Muslim to at least admit that the faith has made some serious mistakes throughout the years?

Nope, our friend paarsurrey says they weren't perfect but still claims them to be sinless. I don't quite know how that works.

 

[idav]

It's a myth from the looks of it.

Actually, Muhammad rarely if ever opted for peace when he had the power to dominate. As the Hadith records in many places, the prophet of Islam said that he had “been called to fight all men until they testify that there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is His messenger.” The goal of Islam is the rule of Islam.
Myth: Muhammad always Chose Peace over War

 

[Al-Fatihah]

You have some history to back that up? Last I heard Muhammad wasn't exactly losing battles.

Response: Your own inability to show any evidence of Muhammad starting wars with innocent people is sufficient evidence. And when you can out wrestle just 5 people by yourself, then you'll be able to substantiate the claim that one man started a war with a entire nation and won. Until then, your own failure refutes your claim. Also, winning a war is not the same as starting one.

 

[idav]

Response: Your own inability to show any evidence of Muhammad starting wars with innocent people is sufficient evidence, along with the testable fact that it is humanly impossible conquer and rule a nation by inspiring followers with words that go against their liking or beliefs. Also, winning a war is not the same as starting one.

See my post right before yours.

 

[Al-Fatihah]

See my post right before yours.

Response: See my response to your post right before yours.

 

[paarsurrey]

Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

The Holy Quran : Chapter 77: Al-Mursalat [3]

[77:21] Did We not create you from an insignificant fluid,
[77:22] And We placed it in a safe place,
[77:23] For a known measure of time?
[77:24] Thus did We measure, and how excellently do We measure!
[77:25] Woe on that day unto those who reject the truth!
[77:26] Have We not made the earth so as to hold
[77:27] The living and the dead?
[77:28] And We placed thereon high mountains, and gave you sweet water to drink.
[77:29] Woe on that day unto those who reject the truth!
[77:30] ‘Now move on towards that which you treated as a lie,

The Holy Quran Arabic text with Translation in English text and Search Engine - Al Islam Online

Please prove that these verses have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious revealed scripture in the world by quoting from that book, the reference and providing the link.

Quran is authored by G-d, it is the reality.

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

Is it possible for a single Muslim to at least admit that the faith has made some serious mistakes throughout the years?

Quran never made a mistake.

Regards

 

[idav]

Response: See my response to your post right before yours.

Here it is again then.

The Myth:

Muhammad Always Chose Peace over War

The Truth:

Actually, Muhammad rarely if ever opted for peace when he had the power to dominate. As the Hadith records in many places, the prophet of Islam said that he had “been called to fight all men until they testify that there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is His messenger.” The goal of Islam is the rule of Islam.

Although originally invited to Medina to be a peacemaker (of all things) the prophet of Islam immediately brought war to this community of traders by first raiding Meccan caravans - which brought down foreign hostility on all residents - then later exploiting internal divisions for personal gain. (See Myth: The Muslims were under Meccan Persecuted at Medina for a timeline of Muhammad's constant attempts to provoke war with the Meccans).

As we have detailed, Muhammad conquered each of the Jewish tribes at Medina as soon as he had the ability. He also did what he could to provoke the Battle of Badr, forcing the Meccans to fight when they clearly did not want war. Near the end of his life, he directed a continuous series of foreign military expeditions to attack people who were not attacking the Muslims, with the goal of obtaining tribute or conversions.

One example that refutes the myth that Muhammad chose peace over war is when a report came to him that a man named Usayr ibn Zarim was attempting to gather an armed force against the Muslims. According to the true story of what happened (found in Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 981), Muhammad sent an armed band to Usayr's community, which convinced him that he would be guaranteed safe passage to a meeting with Muhammad to discuss peace. However, once vulnerable, the leader and his thirty companions were easily slaughtered by the Muslim tricksters.

Another well-documented example is the series of events leading up to the taking of Mecca by his army in 630. As we have shown, the Muslims were the first to break the treaty between themselves and the Meccans by not returning fleeing Muslims to Mecca (as stipulated in the agreement) as well as by raiding Meccan caravans and murdering the drivers (both before and after the treaty). But when a tribe allied with the Meccans killed members of a tribe allied with the Muslims in revenge for an earlier murder, it was feared the Muhammad would not be so accommodating.

The leader at Mecca was a man named Abu Sufyan. Anticipating that the Muslims might look for an excuse to attack his people, Abu Sufyan traveled to Medina to engage Muhammad in dialogue for the purpose of assuring peace between the two parties. Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 807 details the poor man’s efforts to see the Muslim leader in a long passage that plainly indicates his mounting desperation for peace.

It is during this visit that Abu Sufyan enters the homes of a number of prominent Muslims, including Muhammad’s son-in-law and daughter. Clearly he is not interested in harming them. In the end, Abu Sufyan is rebuffed by Muhammad and does not gain the opportunity to talk peace. The prophet of Islam is more interested in a surprise attack on Mecca:

[Muhammad] said, “Oh Allah, take eyes and ears from the Quraysh [Mecca] so that we may take them by surprise in their land,” and the men got themselves ready. (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 808)
In that the other Meccans had no idea that they were supposed to be at war with the Muslims, Muhammad was entirely successful:

When the apostle had reached Marr al-Azhran, [the] Quraysh were completely ignorant of the fact and did not even know what he was doing. (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 811).
When Abu Sufyan learned that Muhammad was marching on the city, he made one last effort to talk peace with him, this time attempting to use the Muslim leader’s wife as an intercessory. The woman attempted to reason with Muhammad, referring to Abu Sufyan and his companion as Muhammad’s own “cousin and brother-in-law” (which he was). Muhammad turned them away with this reply:

“I have no use for them. As for my cousin, he as wounded my pride; and as for my aunt’s son and my brother-in-law, he spoke insulting of me in Mecca.” (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 811)
Thus, according to his own biographer, the prophet of Islam chose to go to war against an unwilling party merely out of personal pride and personal offense. After conquering Mecca he even ordered the executions of those who had insulted him, apparently oblivious to the hypocrisy, since it was a third-party revenge killing that he originally used as justification for his own attack on the city.

Myth: Muhammad always Chose Peace over War