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Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

Sabour

Well-Known Member
You have made quite a few assumptions here, none of which are accurate.




This is a similar mental strategy that pious believers of the Bible suggest.
"When you accept that the Bible is the authoritative word of God, then you will better understand the Bible..."

Do you see how that just doesn't hold up?

There are no original or "autographic" copies of the Bible. The earliest copies are simply fragments of documents written hundreds of years after the supposed life of Jesus. There is no authoritative document with which to refer. The claim for authority comes only from believers in the Bible - meaning the claim for authority is biased.



Again, this is very similar to the arguments for the divinity of Jesus and/or for the veracity of Biblical prophecy. If I used the same logic for the psychics that are on TV or to fortune cookies from my favorite Chinese restaurant, would you allow me to make the claim that the occasional correct statement was reason to claim them holy?



I believe that you are sincere. But sincere arguments from an apologist don't change the nature of reality.



I mean no offense, but my previous statement is true. You aren't going to convince me or convert me by asking me to accept a flawed premise.

The last thing I had in mind when answering your question was converting you. Strange enough, most of the times, I work towards that goal. But I only present truth about Islam and never lie about it. Many times I was put in a position where I know what people wanted me to say, but I say the opposite, because I say the truth.


All of what I said was the purpose for building a constructive discussion and I was not looking to convert you.

I find what you have presented to be logical. I agree that it sounds strange for one to say you will better understand the bible when you believe in it. I have often found this laughable.

However, that case is in no way similar to our case.

I am not telling you to believe that Muhammad peace be upon him was a prophet so that I can prove to you Quraan is the same.

I am telling you that you should look for the proof that Muhammad peace be upon him was a prophet. Once that is proven to you, we can talk about proving that the Quraan we have today is still the same.

How do you expect for me to come and prove to you that the Quraan is the same to that revealed to the prophet when you don't believe that he was a prophet in the first place?

That would be a question which you are already telling me that go on and talk the way you want, but still I won't believe you.


In no stage I am asking you to move along based on blind faith, rather I am asking to conduct things step by step.
 

Harikrish

Active Member
Why is that strange! isn't it one God and one message after all!
We Muslims believe in the Bible being the word of God, but the Bible was modified/edited/altered by men in many places and many occasions, which made it impossible to know what is the word of God and the word of Man. so it is not holly anymore

The complete Bible was compiled by 325 AD. The Quran was compiled around 650AD. How can the Quran correct the Bible when it wasn't created over 300 years after the Bible. The Quran was written by scribes copying a recitation by an illiterate prophet Mohammed. The bible was written by eyewitness accounts.
 

RAYYAN

Proud Muslim
The complete Bible was compiled by 325 AD. The Quran was compiled around 650AD. How can the Quran correct the Bible when it wasn't created over 300 years after the Bible. The Quran was written by scribes copying a recitation by an illiterate prophet Mohammed. The bible was written by eyewitness accounts.

does the validity of a book depends on when it was written? no
as I said, It is one message, it is one same God. The bible scholars say the Bible is corrupted. so there is no way to tell which is which
 

Sabour

Well-Known Member
The complete Bible was compiled by 325 AD. The Quran was compiled around 650AD. How can the Quran correct the Bible when it wasn't created over 300 years after the Bible. The Quran was written by scribes copying a recitation by an illiterate prophet Mohammed. The bible was written by eyewitness accounts.

Injeel was a revelation by God.

Bible was a copy that got edited again, again and again .....

Quraan was another revelation from God which stayed as it is till today and it is the final revelation.

Quraan wasn't copied from any source. It is the Word of God.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

The Holy Quran : Chapter 75 Al-Qiyamah: [3]

[75:21] Nay, but you love the present life;
[75:22] And you neglect the Hereafter.
[75:23] Some faces on that day will be bright,
[75:24] Looking eagerly towards their Lord;
[75:25] And some faces on that day will be dismal,
[75:26] Thinking that a back-breaking calamity is about to befall them.
[75:27] Aye! when the soul of the dying man comes up to the throat,
[75:28] And it is said, ‘Who is the wizard to save him?’
[75:29] And he is sure that it is the hour of parting;
[75:30] And one shank rubs against another shank in agony;

The Holy Quran Arabic text with Translation in English text and Search Engine - Al Islam Online

Please prove that these verses have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious revealed scripture in the world by quoting from that book, the reference and providing the link.

Quran is authored by G-d, it is the reality.

Regards
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

I have so far quoted following 40 short but full chapters from Quran in this thread: [Summary]


76. Al-Dahr,77. Al-Mursalat,78. Al-Naba'79. Al-Nazi`at,80. `Abasa,81. Al-Takwir,82. Al-Infitar, 83. Al-Tatfif,84. Al-Inshiqaq,85. Al-Buruj,86. Al-Tariq,87. Al-A`la,88. Al-Ghashiyah,89. Al-Fajr,90. Al-Balad,91. Al-Shams,92. Al-Lail,93. Al-Duha,94. Al-Inshirah,95. Al-Tin,96. Al-`Alaq,97. Al-Qadr,98. Al-Bayyinah,99. Al-Zilzal,100. Al-`Adiyat,101. Al-Qari`ah,102. Al-Takathur,103. Al-`Asr,104. Al-Humazah,105. Al-Fil,106. Al-Quraish,107. Al-Ma`un,108. Al-Kauthar,109. Al-Kafirun,110. Al-Nasr,111. Al-Lahab,112. Al-Ikhlas,113. Al-Falaq,114. Al-Nas,1. Al-Fatihah. 14. Ibrahim.

Our Jewish (or non-Jewish) friends have not been able to quote or reference places of Torah where any of the chapters/verses of these forty Quranic chapters have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from.

There being 114 Surahs/chapters in Quran. Number-wise this is well over 1/3 of Quran.

We can therefore conclude with 100% certainty that 0% of verses of these chapters of Quran have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Torah.

Quran is, therefore, the Word Revealed from G-d and authored by Him and is original.

Regards
 

Harikrish

Active Member
Injeel was a revelation by God.

Bible was a copy that got edited again, again and again .....

Quraan was another revelation from God which stayed as it is till today and it is the final revelation.

Quraan wasn't copied from any source. It is the Word of God.

The Quran was written by scribes after the prophet Mohammad died. The scribes don't claim divine revelation. Mohammad recited but never wrote what was revealed to him because he was illiterate. The scribes chose to create the Quran after Mohammad's death because it took time to sort put the mumbo jumbo coming out of an epileptic illiterate.
 

RAYYAN

Proud Muslim
The Quran was written by scribes after the prophet Mohammad died. The scribes don't claim divine revelation. Mohammad recited but never wrote what was revealed to him because he was illiterate. The scribes chose to create the Quran after Mohammad's death because it took time to sort put the mumbo jumbo coming out of an epileptic illiterate.

you talk like you were there and it is a fact
What is your evidence?
 

outhouse

Atheistically
The bible scholars say the Bible is corrupted. so there is no way to tell which is which

No they do not. That is islamic apologetics and has no basis in any credible study.

But at least they can try and use the bible for credible history.

Not one aspect of the koran has any historical value at all, when dealing with Jesus or Israelites.
 

Harikrish

Active Member
Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

I have so far quoted following 40 short but full chapters from Quran in this thread: [Summary]




Our Jewish (or non-Jewish) friends have not been able to quote or reference places of Torah where any of the chapters/verses of these forty Quranic chapters have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from.

There being 114 Surahs/chapters in Quran. Number-wise this is well over 1/3 of Quran.

We can therefore conclude with 100% certainty that 0% of verses of these chapters of Quran have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Torah.

Quran is, therefore, the Word Revealed from G-d and authored by Him and is original.

Regards

You have to first answer why the Quran mentions Moses and Jesus more that the prophet Mohammad.

Quote:
Adam, Enoch, Noah, Eber, Shelah, Abraham, Lot, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Job, Jethro, David, Solomon, Elijah, Elisha, Jonah, Aaron, Moses, Zechariah, John the Baptist and Jesus are mentioned in the Quran as prophets of God (see Prophets of Islam). In fact, Moses is mentioned more in the Quran than any other individual.[128] Jesus is mentioned more often in the Quran than Muhammad, while Mary is mentioned in the Quran more than the New Testament.[129] Muslims believe the common elements or resemblances between the Bible and other Jewish and Christian writings and Islamic dispensations is due to their common divine source,[citation needed] and that the original Christian or Jewish texts were authentic divine revelations given to prophets. Wiki..
 

RAYYAN

Proud Muslim
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paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

The Holy Quran : Chapter 75 Al-Qiyamah: [4]

[75:31] Unto thy Lord that day will be the driving.
[75:32] For he neither accepted the truth, nor offered Prayers;
[75:33] But he rejected the truth and turned his back;
[75:34] Then he went to his kinsfolk, strutting along.
[75:35] ‘Woe unto thee! and woe again!
[75:36] ‘Then woe unto thee! and woe again!’
[75:37] Does man think that he is to be left to himself uncontrolled?
[75:38] Was he not a drop of fluid, emitted forth?
[75:39] Then he became a clot, then He shaped and perfected him.
[75:40] Then He made of him a pair, the male and female.
[75:41] Has not such a One the power to raise the dead to life?

The Holy Quran Arabic text with Translation in English text and Search Engine - Al Islam Online

Please prove that these verses have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious revealed scripture in the world by quoting from that book, the reference and providing the link.

Quran is authored by G-d, it is the reality.

Regards
 

Harikrish

Active Member
Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

The Holy Quran : Chapter 75 Al-Qiyamah: [4]

[75:31] Unto thy Lord that day will be the driving.
[75:32] For he neither accepted the truth, nor offered Prayers;
[75:33] But he rejected the truth and turned his back;
[75:34] Then he went to his kinsfolk, strutting along.
[75:35] ‘Woe unto thee! and woe again!
[75:36] ‘Then woe unto thee! and woe again!’
[75:37] Does man think that he is to be left to himself uncontrolled?
[75:38] Was he not a drop of fluid, emitted forth?
[75:39] Then he became a clot, then He shaped and perfected him.
[75:40] Then He made of him a pair, the male and female.
[75:41] Has not such a One the power to raise the dead to life?

The Holy Quran Arabic text with Translation in English text and Search Engine - Al Islam Online

Please prove that these verses have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious revealed scripture in the world by quoting from that book, the reference and providing the link.

Quran is authored by G-d, it is the reality.

Regards
Those verses are modified from the bible verses on resurrection.
 

Harikrish

Active Member
Quote the verses, please.

Regards

Surah 4:157-158 states: "That they said (in boast), 'We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah'—but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not—nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself."

This contradicts the biblical account of the resurrection.

Matthew 17:22-23 says "And while they were gathering together in Galilee, Jesus said to them, 'The Son of Man is going to be delivered into the hands of men; and they will kill Him, and He will be raised on the third day.' And they were deeply grieved." Consider also Mark 9:31; Luke 9:22; John 12:32-33. Jesus stressed this over and over.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Surah 4:157-158 states: "That they said (in boast), 'We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah'—but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not—nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself."

This contradicts the biblical account of the resurrection.

Matthew 17:22-23 says "And while they were gathering together in Galilee, Jesus said to them, 'The Son of Man is going to be delivered into the hands of men; and they will kill Him, and He will be raised on the third day.' And they were deeply grieved." Consider also Mark 9:31; Luke 9:22; John 12:32-33. Jesus stressed this over and over.

None of the verses were mentioned in my post #936 to which you made the comments.

Regards
 

outhouse

Atheistically
Well, that is not true

The video only shows that some parts of the bible are not historically accurate.

No one disputes this.


The kroan however has NO historical value at all! For Jesus or Israel, as to where the NT has some historical value.

The NT lack of credible history does not make it corrupt, it means people did the best the could top describe what was important to them.
 
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