Sabour
Well-Known Member
You have made quite a few assumptions here, none of which are accurate.
This is a similar mental strategy that pious believers of the Bible suggest.
"When you accept that the Bible is the authoritative word of God, then you will better understand the Bible..."
Do you see how that just doesn't hold up?
There are no original or "autographic" copies of the Bible. The earliest copies are simply fragments of documents written hundreds of years after the supposed life of Jesus. There is no authoritative document with which to refer. The claim for authority comes only from believers in the Bible - meaning the claim for authority is biased.
Again, this is very similar to the arguments for the divinity of Jesus and/or for the veracity of Biblical prophecy. If I used the same logic for the psychics that are on TV or to fortune cookies from my favorite Chinese restaurant, would you allow me to make the claim that the occasional correct statement was reason to claim them holy?
I believe that you are sincere. But sincere arguments from an apologist don't change the nature of reality.
I mean no offense, but my previous statement is true. You aren't going to convince me or convert me by asking me to accept a flawed premise.
The last thing I had in mind when answering your question was converting you. Strange enough, most of the times, I work towards that goal. But I only present truth about Islam and never lie about it. Many times I was put in a position where I know what people wanted me to say, but I say the opposite, because I say the truth.
All of what I said was the purpose for building a constructive discussion and I was not looking to convert you.
I find what you have presented to be logical. I agree that it sounds strange for one to say you will better understand the bible when you believe in it. I have often found this laughable.
However, that case is in no way similar to our case.
I am not telling you to believe that Muhammad peace be upon him was a prophet so that I can prove to you Quraan is the same.
I am telling you that you should look for the proof that Muhammad peace be upon him was a prophet. Once that is proven to you, we can talk about proving that the Quraan we have today is still the same.
How do you expect for me to come and prove to you that the Quraan is the same to that revealed to the prophet when you don't believe that he was a prophet in the first place?
That would be a question which you are already telling me that go on and talk the way you want, but still I won't believe you.
In no stage I am asking you to move along based on blind faith, rather I am asking to conduct things step by step.