Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

[outhouse]

What is worse is that Is the source your religion plagiarized.


You have later copies of errors twisted to meet another cultures needs.



Why is your book worthless for historical studies?

 

[Sabour]

The Quran was written by scribes after the prophet Mohammad died. The scribes don't claim divine revelation. Mohammad recited but never wrote what was revealed to him because he was illiterate. The scribes chose to create the Quran after Mohammad's death because it took time to sort put the mumbo jumbo coming out of an epileptic illiterate.

when Muhammad peace be upon him receives revelation, he used to call his special scribes and tell them what was revealed and made them write it in front of him and then he rechecks it. So people didn’t use to write from their memory.

The words of the*Quran*were collected as they were revealed to the*Prophet*Muhammad, committed to memory by the early Muslims, and recorded in writing by scribes.
Under Supervision of the Prophet Muhammad
As the Quran was being revealed, the*Prophet Muhammad*made special arrangements to ensure that it was written down. Although the Prophet Muhammad himself could neither read nor write, he dictated the verses orally and instructed scribes to mark down the revelation on whatever materials were available:*tree branches, stones, leather, and bones. The scribes would then read their writing back to the Prophet, who would check it for mistakes. With each new verse that was revealed, the Prophet Muhammad also dictated its placement within the growing body of text.
When the Prophet Muhammad died, the Quran was fully written down. It was not in book form, however. It was recorded on different parchments and materials, held in the possession of the Companions of the Prophet.
Under Supervision of Caliph Abu Bakr
After the death of the Prophet Muhammad, the entire Quran continued to be remembered in the hearts of the early Muslims. Hundreds of the early Companions of the Prophet had memorized the entire revelation, and Muslims daily recited large portions of the text from memory. Many of the early Muslims also had personal written copies of the Quran recorded on various materials.
Ten years after the Hijrah (632 C.E.), many of these scribes and early Muslim devotees were killed in the Battle of Yamama. While the community mourned the loss of their comrades, they also began to worry about the long-term preservation of the Holy Quran. Recognizing that the words of Allah needed to be collected in one place and preserved, the*Caliph Abu Bakrordered all people who had written pages of the Quran to compile them in one place. The project was organized and supervised by one of the Prophet Muhammad’s key scribes, Zayd bin Thabit.
The process of compiling the Quran from these various written pages was done in four steps:
Zayd bin Thabit verified each verse with his own memory.
Umar ibn Al-Khattab verified each verse. Both men had memorized the entire Quran.
Two reliable witnesses had to testify that the verses were written in the presence of the Prophet Muhammad.
The verified written verses were collated with those from the collections of other Companions.


Under Supervision of Caliph Uthman bin Affan
As Islam began to spread throughout the Arabian peninsula, more and more people entered the fold of Islam from as far away as Persia and Byzantine. Many of these new Muslims were not native Arabic speakers, or they spoke a slightly different Arabic pronunciation from the tribes in Makkah and Madinah. People began to dispute about which pronunciations were most correct.*Caliph Uthman bin Affan*took charge of ensuring that the recitation of the Quran is of a standard pronunciation.
The first step was to borrow the original, compiled copy of the Quran from Hafsah. A committee of early Muslim scribes was tasked with making transcripts of the original copy, and ensuring the sequence of the chapters (surahs). When these perfect copies had been completed, Uthman bin Affan ordered all remaining transcripts to be destroyed, so that all copies of the Quran were uniform in script.
All Qurans available in the world today are exactly identical to the Uthmani version, which was completed less than twenty years after the death of Prophet Muhammad.
Later, some minor improvements were made in the*Arabic script*(adding dots and diacritical marks), to make it easier for non-Arabs to read. However, the text of the Quran has remained the same.

 

[gnostic]

Is this not plagiarizing?

"As Hillel the Elder had stated, whosoever destroys a soul, it is considered as if he destroyed an entire world. And whosoever that saves a life, it is considered as if he saved an entire world."

Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely.

Plagiarizing doesn't exact copy of the older source; it could mean adaptation or borrowing the concept of another idea.

And clearly in the above quotes, the Qur'an had copied from the older source, the Talmud. The above quote from the Talmud is actually quoting from Hillel the Elder, who flourished in the 1st century BCE and died in 10 CE.

The Talmud may not be Torah or Tanakh, but it does showed that the Qur'an borrow idea from older sources, without citing where it come from.

 

[paarsurrey]

Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

The Holy Quran : Chapter 74: Al-Muddaththir [1]

[74:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
[74:2] O thou that has wrapped thyself with thy mantle!
[74:3] Arise and warn.
[74:4] And thy Lord do thou magnify.
[74:5] And thy heart do thou purify,
[74:6] And uncleanliness do thou shun,
[74:7] And bestow not favours seeking to get more in return,
[74:8] And for the sake of thy Lord do thou endure patiently.
[74:9] And when the trumpet is sounded,
[74:10] That day will be a distressful day.

The Holy Quran Arabic text with Translation in English text and Search Engine - Al Islam Online

Please prove that these verses have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious revealed scripture in the world by quoting from that book, the reference and providing the link.

Quran is authored by G-d, it is the reality.

Regards

 

[gnostic]

You are ignoring my post, paarsurrey, on Qur'an 5:32 and Jerusalem Talmud Sanhedrin 4:1, about killing a soul being akin to killing mankind and saving one soul is like saving mankind.

I have post these 2 same quotes, 3 times already. Each time, you post unrelated verses, without addressing the plagiarism of Qur'an 5:32.

Are you being evasive?

 

[jonathan180iq]

Yes...

 

[Harikrish]

Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

The Holy Quran : Chapter 74: Al-Muddaththir [1]

[74:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
[74:2] O thou that has wrapped thyself with thy mantle!
[74:3] Arise and warn.
[74:4] And thy Lord do thou magnify.
[74:5] And thy heart do thou purify,
[74:6] And uncleanliness do thou shun,
[74:7] And bestow not favours seeking to get more in return,
[74:8] And for the sake of thy Lord do thou endure patiently.
[74:9] And when the trumpet is sounded,
[74:10] That day will be a distressful day.

The Holy Quran Arabic text with Translation in English text and Search Engine - Al Islam Online

Please prove that these verses have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious revealed scripture in the world by quoting from that book, the reference and providing the link.

Quran is authored by G-d, it is the reality.

Regards

Quran is the recited words of Gabriel. God never spoke to the prophet. Get your facts right.

 

[paarsurrey]

Quran is the recited words of Gabriel. God never spoke to the prophet. Get your facts right.

You are wrong, but you can have your opinion.

Quran is authored by G-d, not authored by Muhammad.

Regards

 

[outhouse]

Why is your book worthless for historical studies?

 

[Harikrish]

You are wrong, but you can have your opinion.

Quran is authored by G-d, not authored by Muhammad.

Regards

"All Muslims consider the Qur’an to be without error based on the belief that the Archangel Gabriel spoke each word to Muhammad through spiritual experiences. People close to Muhammad report that Muhammad had very deep spiritual experiences as follows:

"Ayesha [Muhammad's favorite wife] reported "I saw him [Muhammad] while the revelation descended upon him on an intensely cold day; then it left him while his brow steamed with sweat" (Miskat IV).

In another story reported in the Hadith called Sahih Muslim, Book 26, Number 5395, [Search on the referenced site to find the number "5395"] Muhammad is reported to have gone into a trance-like state. Just before this phenomenon occurred, Muhammad was eating his evening meal and had been asked a question by another wife named Sauda. Then the event occurred. As the trance-like state took control over Muhammad, his thoughts and actions appeared to be frozen in time. No gestures or speech proceeded from Muhammad as long as he remained under spiritual captivation. Suddenly the phenomenon ended and Muhammad reentered the conversation with Sauda. The Story about this event reads as follows:

Narrated Ayesha [Muhammad's favorite wife]:

. . . Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) was at that time in my house having his evening meal and there was a bone in his hand. Sauda [Another wife of Muhammad] reclined and said: Allah's Messenger. I went out and 'Umar said to me so and so [Asking Muhammad for permission]. She (Ayesha) reported: There came the revelation to him and then it was over; the bone was then in his hand and he had not thrown it and he said:" Permission has been granted to you that you may go out . . ."

It is apparent that Muhammad experienced trance-like states, fire-filled spiritual experiences, visions, and dreams. But were these words spoken under spiritual captivation from the Archangel Gabriel? People who believe Muhammad received words from Gabriel do so on complete "blind faith," even those who were direct witnesses of Muhammad's spiritual experiences."

 

[paarsurrey]

Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

The Holy Quran : Chapter 74: Al-Muddaththir [2]

[74:11] For the disbelievers it will be anything but easy.
[74:12] Leave Me to deal with him whom I created alone,
[74:13] And then I gave him abundant wealth,
[74:14] And sons, abiding in his presence,
[74:15] And I prepared for him all necessary things.
[74:16] Yet he desires that I should give him more.
[74:17] Certainly not! for he has been hostile to Our Signs.
[74:18] I shall soon inflict on him an overwhelming hardship.
[74:19] Lo! he reflected and calculated!
[74:20] Ruin seize him! how he calculated!

The Holy Quran Arabic text with Translation in English text and Search Engine - Al Islam Online

Please prove that these verses have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious revealed scripture in the world by quoting from that book, the reference and providing the link.

Quran is authored by G-d, it is the reality.

Regards

 

[gnostic]

I think it is a lot of bother, to have a prophet who supposed to start a new religion, not being able to write.

I don't think Muhammad ever had any divine revelation.

He just remember stories from his youth, which he had heard from Jews or Christians, and remember them imperfectly, which is why the Qur'an is a big pile of jumble messes. Nothing is told chronological, we have disjointed stories of Adam, Abraham, Moses, David, Solomon, Jesus, etc, everywhere.

If a god was the author, then he had completely disorganised mind; the Qur'an is written in disjointed fashion. But the Qur'an prove that Islam is man-made religion, because no god could be so utter disorganised and no absolute nothing about history or science, which silly Muslims can be found in ambiguous or obscure verses. How the verses and sura were put together is evidence that it was written by man.

I might not believe much what the bible write about, but at the very least I know is far more readable and less childish than the Qur'an. That Muhammad was responsible for the Qur'an, not god, is evidence by his illiterate. I don't see how the Qur'an could be divine revelation.

 

[paarsurrey]

You are simply wrong.

Regards

I think it is a lot of bother, to have a prophet who supposed to start a new religion, not being able to write.

I don't think Muhammad ever had any divine revelation.

He just remember stories from his youth, which he had heard from Jews or Christians, and remember them imperfectly, which is why the Qur'an is a big pile of jumble messes. Nothing is told chronological, we have disjointed stories of Adam, Abraham, Moses, David, Solomon, Jesus, etc, everywhere.

If a god was the author, then he had completely disorganised mind; the Qur'an is written in disjointed fashion. But the Qur'an prove that Islam is man-made religion, because no god could be so utter disorganised and no absolute nothing about history or science, which silly Muslims can be found in ambiguous or obscure verses. How the verses and sura were put together is evidence that it was written by man.

I might not believe much what the bible write about, but at the very least I know is far more readable and less childish than the Qur'an. That Muhammad was responsible for the Qur'an, not god, is evidence by his illiterate. I don't see how the Qur'an could be divine revelation.

 

[RAYYAN]

The video only shows that some parts of the bible are not historically accurate.

No one disputes this.


The kroan however has NO historical value at all! For Jesus or Israel, as to where the NT has some historical value.

The NT lack of credible history does not make it corrupt, it means people did the best the could top describe what was important to them.

No, the video shows that it is corrupted, Have you watched it? I guess not

 

[Retcha]

Almost right.

Its copied from "Judaism, Christianity and a little mix of arabic pagan religion" And boom. Arabic monotheism is born.

 

[McBell]

No it doesn't

Enough said then.

 

[McBell]

My friend please it is not a tactic. I am serious and honest.

Your question suggests that you believe that there was a revelation and you are questioning of whether what we have today is that revelation.

If you don't believe that there was a revelation in the first place, than perhaps you want to ask about that first.

No, I would like an answer to my question.
If you are unable to provide one...

 

[Harikrish]

Muslims are now claiming Islam was the first religion. If you look at what the Arabs were following in the Arabian peninsular, it was a pagan religion, idol worship. The prophet Mohammad destroyed all those idols and converted the pagan Arabs with the sword. So Islam started out as a pagan religion and remained so until the prophet Mohammad's arrival in 600AD.

 

[RAYYAN]

Enough said then.

Good

 

[Sabour]

No, I would like an answer to my question.
If you are unable to provide one...

Personally, I am unable to provide an answer that would convince you unless it was proven to you that Muhammad peace be upon him was a prophet. I suggest you look at the proofs for that first.

All I can provide for you now is the methodology in which Quraan was compiled and I think I did it earlier, but here it is again



The words of the Quran were collected as they were revealed to the Prophet Muhammad, committed to memory by the early Muslims, and recorded in writing by scribes.
Under Supervision of the Prophet Muhammad
As the Quran was being revealed, the Prophet Muhammad made special arrangements to ensure that it was written down. Although the Prophet Muhammad himself could neither read nor write, he dictated the verses orally and instructed scribes to mark down the revelation on whatever materials were available: tree branches, stones, leather, and bones. The scribes would then read their writing back to the Prophet, who would check it for mistakes. With each new verse that was revealed, the Prophet Muhammad also dictated its placement within the growing body of text.
When the Prophet Muhammad died, the Quran was fully written down. It was not in book form, however. It was recorded on different parchments and materials, held in the possession of the Companions of the Prophet.
Under Supervision of Caliph Abu Bakr
After the death of the Prophet Muhammad, the entire Quran continued to be remembered in the hearts of the early Muslims. Hundreds of the early Companions of the Prophet had memorized the entire revelation, and Muslims daily recited large portions of the text from memory. Many of the early Muslims also had personal written copies of the Quran recorded on various materials.
Ten years after the Hijrah (632 C.E.), many of these scribes and early Muslim devotees were killed in the Battle of Yamama. While the community mourned the loss of their comrades, they also began to worry about the long-term preservation of the Holy Quran. Recognizing that the words of Allah needed to be collected in one place and preserved, the Caliph Abu Bakrordered all people who had written pages of the Quran to compile them in one place. The project was organized and supervised by one of the Prophet Muhammad’s key scribes, Zayd bin Thabit.
The process of compiling the Quran from these various written pages was done in four steps:
Zayd bin Thabit verified each verse with his own memory.
Umar ibn Al-Khattab verified each verse. Both men had memorized the entire Quran.
Two reliable witnesses had to testify that the verses were written in the presence of the Prophet Muhammad.
The verified written verses were collated with those from the collections of other Companions.


Under Supervision of Caliph Uthman bin Affan
As Islam began to spread throughout the Arabian peninsula, more and more people entered the fold of Islam from as far away as Persia and Byzantine. Many of these new Muslims were not native Arabic speakers, or they spoke a slightly different Arabic pronunciation from the tribes in Makkah and Madinah. People began to dispute about which pronunciations were most correct. Caliph Uthman bin Affan took charge of ensuring that the recitation of the Quran is of a standard pronunciation.
The first step was to borrow the original, compiled copy of the Quran from Hafsah. A committee of early Muslim scribes was tasked with making transcripts of the original copy, and ensuring the sequence of the chapters (surahs). When these perfect copies had been completed, Uthman bin Affan ordered all remaining transcripts to be destroyed, so that all copies of the Quran were uniform in script.
All Qurans available in the world today are exactly identical to the Uthmani version, which was completed less than twenty years after the death of Prophet Muhammad.
Later, some minor improvements were made in the Arabic script (adding dots and diacritical marks), to make it easier for non-Arabs to read. However, the text of the Quran has remained the same.