Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

[paarsurrey]

Which book was first to talk about hell-fire? Or the first to claim there is one God? Or first to talk about Jesus, or Mary, or Abraham, or Isaac, or Ishmael? Or the first to claim that man was created from earth, or clay? Or the first to claim that there are angels and demons/djinn?

G-d conversed with the Prophets verbally, later the Revelation was written down. The first person to receive Revelation was Adam.

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[Harikrish]

G-d conversed with the Prophets verbally, later the Revelation was written down. The first person to receive Revelation was Adam.

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Mohammad was the last prophet. He was also the only illiterate prophet. Why the Muslims chose to follow an illiterate when some of the other prophets like Moses and Jesus are mentioned more times in the bible than the prophet Mohammad himself is quite baffling to an outsider, until it is discovered the majority of Muslims are illiterate and have not read or cannot read the Quran. So a lot of the facts in the Quran are lost to them.

 

[Al-Fatihah]

So why are Islamists killing journalists who are there to only report the news? Why are Islamists killing Sunnis in Iraq as well as the Kurds? Count the dead Muslims killed by Muslims. 800 million illiterate Muslims are unable to read. But to have even 1 Muslim who can read deny Muslims are killing Muslims is to deny all mankind.

Response: Their conditions are the result of oppression by Western imperialism, as shown by the fact that none of these conditions were a major factor until the West conquered, ruled, and oppressed them.

 

[metis]

Response: Their conditions are the result of oppression by Western imperialism, as shown by the fact that none of these conditions were a major factor until the West conquered, ruled, and oppressed them.

Sorry, but we are responsible for our actions, so blaming everyone else is just a convenient excuse for some. The countries in the region have been independent for at least half a century, so there's no excuse for not making changes that could improve the conditions there.

 

[Al-Fatihah]

Sorry, but we are responsible for our actions, so blaming everyone else is just a convenient excuse for some. The countries in the region have been independent for at least half a century, so there's no excuse for not making changes that could improve the conditions there.

Response: Nor is there an excuse to blame a religion, such as Islam, for the reason for actions that Islam does not teach.

 

[metis]

Response: Nor is there an excuse to blame a religion, such as Islam, for the reason for actions that Islam does not teach.

Where did I blame Islam?

 

[paarsurrey]

Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

The Holy Quran : Chapter 74: Al-Muddaththir [5]

[74:41]They will bein Gardens asking one another
[74:42]Concerning the guilty ones.
[74:43]‘What has brought you into the Fire of Hell?’
[74:44]They will say, ‘We were not of those who offered Prayers,
[74:45]‘Nor did we feed the poor.
[74:46]‘And we indulged in objectionable talk with those who indulge therein.
[74:47]‘And we used to deny the Day of Judgment,
[74:48]‘Until death overtook us.’
[74:49]So the intercession of intercessors will not avail them.
[74:50]Now what is the matter with them that they are turning away from the exhortation,

The Holy Quran Arabic text with Translation in English text and Search Engine - Al Islam Online

Please prove that these verses have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious revealed scripture in the world by quoting from that book, the reference and providing the link.

Quran is authored by G-d, it is the reality.

Regards

 

[Al-Fatihah]

Where did I blame Islam?

Response: Where did I say we are not responsible for our own actions?

 

[metis]

Response: Where did I say we are not responsible for our own actions?

And you somehow manage to interpret that as my supposedly attacking Islam? Really?

Seems that you'ere intent on blaming others and not willing to acknowledge that people should be responsible for their own actions.

 

[Al-Fatihah]

And you somehow manage to interpret that as my supposedly attacking Islam? Really?

Seems that you'ere intent on blaming others and not willing to acknowledge that people should be responsible for their own actions.

Response: Rather, you somehow managed to assume that I accused you of attacking Islam. So it seems that your intent of blaming others instead of taking into account your own actions is obvious.

 

[metis]

Response: Rather, you somehow managed to assume that I accused you of attacking Islam. So it seems that your intent of blaming others instead of taking into account your own actions is obvious.

On post #1005, you wrote this: "Response: Nor is there an excuse to blame a religion, such as Islam, for the reason for actions that Islam does not teach."

But I'll cut you some slack as it appears that you're not very proficient at English.

 

[Sleeppy]

G-d conversed with the Prophets verbally, later the Revelation was written down. The first person to receive Revelation was Adam.

Regards

The truth is, Prophet or not- God "converses" (although He has no mouth, no tongue, and vocal chords) with everyone. The problem here is believing that Muhammad received all of these ideas without being in contact with other people, like Jews and Christians, and in without being in contact with the works of previous Prophets. It's not possible, even if he was illiterate (which the Quran suggests is not the case). Muhammad would have needed to be deaf and blind to not copy these ideas into the Quran. -- But I understand you are operating on faith, not necessarily proof, or probability. You have faith that the archangel Gabriel told these things to Muhammad, so you are not willing to consider anything else. That's understandable, and you aren't the first or last to do this.

 

[Sleeppy]

Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

The Holy Quran : Chapter 74: Al-Muddaththir [5]

[74:41]They will bein Gardens asking one another
[74:42]Concerning the guilty ones.
[74:43]‘What has brought you into the Fire of Hell?’
[74:44]They will say, ‘We were not of those who offered Prayers,
[74:45]‘Nor did we feed the poor.
[74:46]‘And we indulged in objectionable talk with those who indulge therein.
[74:47]‘And we used to deny the Day of Judgment,
[74:48]‘Until death overtook us.’
[74:49]So the intercession of intercessors will not avail them.
[74:50]Now what is the matter with them that they are turning away from the exhortation,

The Holy Quran Arabic text with Translation in English text and Search Engine - Al Islam Online

Please prove that these verses have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious revealed scripture in the world by quoting from that book, the reference and providing the link.

Quran is authored by G-d, it is the reality.

Regards

The Garden narrative of Genesis predates the Quran. The New Testament's Paradise, and analysis of the Garden of Eden, including Adam and Eve, also predate the Quran. Hellfire originates with Christianity, in the New Testament. The Day of Judgement predates the Quran and originates with the Jewish prophets.

The question is not whether God authored anything, but whether the Quran copied these ideas from previous sources.

 

[Sleeppy]

If you follow the development of the Quran, you will learn the prophet Mohammad does not claim authorship anywhere. It is his scribes that pen their names claiming the prophet recited and dictated his revelations as he came out of his trances in the cave which he frequented to talk to Jinns and Gabriel.

How would we know what Muhammad claimed? The Quran states that he wrote what Gabriel told him. Are you saying the scribes attributed that to him? Quran 25:5

 

[RAYYAN]

"And they say, "Legends of the former peoples which he has written down, and they are dictated to him morning and afternoon" (Quran 25:5)

This is what some of the disbelievers said about the Quran and it is not a prove of anything

 

[paarsurrey]

How would we know what Muhammad claimed? The Quran states that he wrote what Gabriel told him. Are you saying the scribes attributed that to him? Quran 25:5

Please quote from Quran for what I have colored in magenta.

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

The Garden narrative of Genesis predates the Quran. The New Testament's Paradise, and analysis of the Garden of Eden, including Adam and Eve, also predate the Quran. Hellfire originates with Christianity, in the New Testament. The Day of Judgement predates the Quran and originates with the Jewish prophets.

The question is not whether God authored anything, but whether the Quran copied these ideas from previous sources.

Is the above mentioned in the the Holy Quran : Chapter 74: Al-Muddaththir ?
I don't think so.

Regards

 

[Al-Fatihah]

On post #1005, you wrote this: "Response: Nor is there an excuse to blame a religion, such as Islam, for the reason for actions that Islam does not teach."

But I'll cut you some slack as it appears that you're not very proficient at English.

Response: And no where in post 1005 does it say anyone attacked Islam, thus exposing the warped and deficiency in understanding English on your part. Not mine.

 

[Sleeppy]

"And they say, "Legends of the former peoples which he has written down, and they are dictated to him morning and afternoon" (Quran 25:5)

This is what some of the disbelievers said about the Quran and it is not a prove of anything

The Prophet was a successful merchant. The Muslim scholars who fabricated the illiteracy lie forgot that there were no numbers in use during the Prophet's time; the letters of the alphabet were used as numbers at that time.
As a merchant dealing with numbers every day, the Prophet had to know the alphabet. The Quran tells us that Muhammad wrote down the Quran. In 25:2 we read how Muhammad's rejectors at the time said:

"These are tales from the past that he wrote down. They are being dictated to him day and night" 25:5

The rejectors of Muhammad were from the tribe of Quraysh in Mecca from which Muhammad himself came. They knew Muhammad from birth, he was not a stranger. The question here is: Would they accuse Muhammad of writing anything down himself if he could not read and write? Equally, would it be possible to"dictate" to someone who cannot write?

You also must realize that if Muhammad's tribe knew these Jewish and Christian 'legends', it's extremely likely that Muhammad did as well. Think about that.

 

[Sleeppy]

Is the above mentioned in the the Holy Quran : Chapter 74: Al-Muddaththir ?
I don't think so.

Regards

Yes. I bolded and underlined it for you.