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Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

McBell

Unbound
We can therefore conclude with 100% certainty that 0% of verses of these chapters of Quran have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Torah or any other scripture.
Quran is, therefore, the Word Revealed from G-d and authored by Him and is original.

Regards
Doesn't work that way.
Merely presenting what is not copied/plagiarized/adapted from Torah or any other scripture and completely ignoring what is copied/plagiarized/adapted from Torah or any other scripture does nothing but show your desperation and just how far you are willing to flat out lie to yourself to protect your beliefs.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Nope. You reject academia as it undermines your religious ideology. You could easily change to a less dogmatic form of Islam.
I am not bound by the academia, they are human beings, they can make mistakes.
If academia is wrong I would say they are pseudo-academia. Don't I have freedom of free-thought?
Regards
 

mahasn ebn sawresho

Well-Known Member
Are copies of the Holy Bible and the Torah
The answer is yes

1-The strongest evidence of this
This Quranic verse
Write them in the Arabic language
ان كنت في شك مما انزلنا اليك فاسال الذين يقرأون الكتاب من قبلك ؟؟؟؟؟؟
And also the translator of Google for interpretation
(((((((If you are in doubt , which sent down to you , ask who read the book before you)))))
This verse means that if you O Muhammad suspect that Nnzlh you question who read the book before you
2-Historically
The cousin of Mohammed is the pastor at Alencranih community in Mecca
This pastor was translated the Bible into Arabic
For further reading a book a pastor and prophet
Because an unequivocal answers
3-Mohammed worked to change and distort the Gospel and the Torah\
4-The story of Mary in the Koran
Cuisine permitted
Circumcision
The story of Joseph in violation of the Torah
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5-Muhammad and also copies of the books of Zoroastrians
The advantages and disadvantages
6-Paradise in the Koran
And where sexual pleasures
All prove that Muhammad copied from an earlier wrote it
And then deliberately to falsify
7-Muhammad did not know the difference between Mary the mother of Jesus and Mary, the sister of Moses and Aaron
8-Mary the mother of Christ is not the sister of Aaron
The Koran says Mary, the sister of Aaron
In the state , 9-especially in the Koran Gin
Gin and sex is different from the Devils ??
10-Devil entry on Mohammed when he wrote the verse that says Lat and pride that Algranic Ali and leads expect to Chweathn
For further reading the book The Satanic Verses
11-Burn Uthman to burn copies of the Koran when 29 copies
And keep a copy of it and is one that in the hands of Muslims
From this evidence, it can be said that the Koran is a book that does not fit the scientific reading
Because his information where historical fraud
 

mahasn ebn sawresho

Well-Known Member
Koran is the two sections
The first is in Mecca
The second Medina
If you want to know whether copies of the Quran from the previous books attic you have to know the difference between the Meccan verses and verses from Medina
To remove this contradiction in the Qur'an through the verse that says what to copy the verse or forget we write the best of them , or like her
Sword verse copied Meccan verses
That remains the big question
Is there a book in the world in which the meaning of the copyist and copied ??
Did God forget ??
And desires ??
Allah, the Lord of the heavens
Busy in the marriage of Muhammad and Aisha Safiya legalization
And other ??
God sent the patent document to Aisha in verse ideas ??
Qur'an is a book of no value to him ??
It is studying the Koran neutrality will know the meaning of my words this
 

mahasn ebn sawresho

Well-Known Member
It is frustrating.

You don't have to copy words for words to plagiarize ideas. You can tell the story of the same person, but with different details.

There are no doubts in my mind that Muhammad used biblical characters in biblical stories without having to read a single word.

No one said that the Qur'an was word-for-word copy of the Bible. It is stupid to think so.

You can take a story, and change it.

Clearly the stories of the bible and other Jewish legends and folklore were well known, that people didn't need to read the stories to learn it.

No where in the bible state that Solomon could understand the speech of birds or ants, or them understanding human speeches, but it does appear in the Qur'an. But Muhammad clearly Solomon's abilities, not from the bible, but from ancient Jewish oral traditions of folklore that were later recorded in the rabbinic writing, known as the Aggadah.

The Aggadah were derived from mostly the Midrash that were composed during the 1st and 2nd centuries CE, and some were derived from the Talmud. The Midrash and Talmud both come from Jewish oral traditions that predated Jesus.

What is clear that Muhammad's version about Solomon's abilities were definitely not original story. Muhammad was not stupid nor deaf, so he must have learned from Jews when he was younger, because there were Jews living in Arabia centuries before Muhammad's birth. Muhammad didn't grow up in a cave.

One thing is certain, that you don't need to read, to learn a story. That's Muhammad's version about Solomon is not exactly the same, doesn't mean much, because you don't have to learn word-for-word in order to tell a story.

Take the story of Adam for example. A number of gnostic (unknown) authors wrote about the creation and Adam that depart from the original story. Muhammad have done the same things, except that he learned story relating to Adam, more from listening to another person telling it, not reading it.

The story where Satan refused to bow down to Adam when God created man, doesn't appear in the Genesis, but it does in the oral tradition/Aggadah, and in the Qur'an. The story that won the naming animals appeared in oral Jewish folklore (Aggadah) and in the Qur'an, clearly showed that Muhammad heard of it being told, not reading the writing.

Even when stories are written, they aren't always exactly the same, because some authors/scribes will modify it at some points.

The story of Gilgamesh have been copied and rewritten so many times for over 2000 years. Some details are not exactly the same. The standard version found in the library of Nineveh (7th century BCE) bear a lot of similarities to the Sumerian poems, but it is also quite different in details and styles. They are certainly not written, word-for-word copy.

Stories can change over time, whether they be oral traditions or written versions.
Yes myths of the Koran ?
Suleiman went to the Queen of Sheba
The ants speak ??
Fairy novel note that Solomon did not come out with his army outside Palestine
 

Shad

Veteran Member
I am not bound by the academia, they are human beings, they can make mistakes.
If academia is wrong I would say they are pseudo-academia. Don't I have freedom of free-thought?
Regards

Which is plainly stating you hold a religious ideology which you can not give up thus you have nothing to contribute to this thread besides repeating your ideology over and over again.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Which is plainly stating you hold a religious ideology which you can not give up thus you have nothing to contribute to this thread besides repeating your ideology over and over again.
Science is not against religion by definition. Religion is not against science, no fonder of a religion or his scripture has ever spoken against science. They rathere respected science, I find nothing from them that disrespects science. If religion and science don't interfere with one another, no problem arises. Right?
Regards
 

Shad

Veteran Member
Science is not against religion by definition. Religion is not against science, no fonder of a religion or his scripture has ever spoken against science. They rathere respected science, I find nothing from them that disrespects science. If religion and science don't interfere with one another, no problem arises. Right?
Regards

It depends on what the religion teaches. It is the believers that press issues with the scientific community especially in the education system. This is usually due their religion teaches an idea in conflict with established science.
 

leibowde84

Veteran Member
You mean they jumped to wrong conclusions?
Do proper scholars and proper scientists say such things so that pseudo-scholars, pseudo-history and the pseudo-science start bullying people on that basis? The so called academia comprising pseudo-scholars, pseudo-history and the pseudo-science is good for nothing in religion to be more specific.
Science is not against religion per-se , by definition it cannot be.
Regards
Why didn't you specify this before? Why would pseudo-scientists speak for science in any way?
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Why didn't you specify this before? Why would pseudo-scientists speak for science in any way?
Nevertheless they have spoken, one could see:
outhouse Post #1 "Koran dated to before Muhamad birth"
"According to scholars, the dating of the parchment to the period between 568 A.D. and 645 A.D., implies that the script could have been written before 610 A.D., the date that Prophet Muhammad, who lived between 570 A.D. and 632 A.D., received his first revelation, according to the official version of Islamic history."
"It also means that the fragment could predate the Prophet Muhammed."
http://www.inquisitr.com/2382300/th...-shake-the-foundations-of-islam-scholars-say/

That is the basis of our "resident historian" friend starting the thread titled hurriedly, and 600+ posts have bee exchanged in this connection while science does not say anything like that.

Regards
 

leibowde84

Veteran Member
Nevertheless they have spoken, one could see:
outhouse Post #1 "Koran dated to before Muhamad birth"
"According to scholars, the dating of the parchment to the period between 568 A.D. and 645 A.D., implies that the script could have been written before 610 A.D., the date that Prophet Muhammad, who lived between 570 A.D. and 632 A.D., received his first revelation, according to the official version of Islamic history."
"It also means that the fragment could predate the Prophet Muhammed."
http://www.inquisitr.com/2382300/th...-shake-the-foundations-of-islam-scholars-say/

That is the basis of our "resident historian" friend starting the thread titled hurriedly, and 600+ posts have bee exchanged in this connection while science does not say anything like that.

Regards
That is not a scientific article or journal though. All news articles must be verified these days due to overwhelming bias. That isn't scientists fault at all.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
That is not a scientific article or journal though. All news articles must be verified these days due to overwhelming bias. That isn't scientists fault at all.

That is the reason I describe such persons as pseudo-scientists and pseudo-historians, to their disliking, I don't blame innocent science and the real scientists.
Regards
 

leibowde84

Veteran Member
That is the reason I describe such persons as pseudo-scientists and pseudo-historians, to their disliking, I don't blame innocent science and the real scientists.
Regards
So don't say "science is responsible". Say "pseudo-science" is responsible. Scientists will agree with you that way.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
So don't say "science is responsible". Say "pseudo-science" is responsible. Scientists will agree with you that way.
I think I didn't say that.
I take science and real scientists in high esteem and respect them. They have done wonderful service to humanity in their fields, they should not go out of their specific fields to speak out of the cuff though, that would be gibberish and detrimental to science.

Regards
 

mahasn ebn sawresho

Well-Known Member
Koran calls on his followers to question the people of the book
This verse write them in the Arabic language
اسالوا (اهل الذكر ) ان كنتم لا تعلمون
Why Muslims ask the people of the book ?
 

gnostic

The Lost One
That is the reason I describe such persons as pseudo-scientists and pseudo-historians, to their disliking, I don't blame innocent science and the real scientists.

I find that any Muslim who quote a verse or two from the Qur'an, and then claim that this or that verse to be "scientific sign" or "scientific miracle", is resorting to "pseudoscience". What they have quoted have nothing to do with science.

This has nothing with science being against Islam or against the Qur'an. Rather that it is some Muslims who make claims about their religion that are "pseudoscience".

Zakir Naik Is the most prominent Muslim today who make pseudoscience claims about the Qur'an. He is the Muslim equivalent to the Christian televangelist, trying to mix his religion with science. And his Islamic Research Foundation (IRF) is the equivalent to the Intelligent Design's Discovery Institute (DI).

But history is a different matter.

The Qur'an does contain pseudo-historical accounts, especially that of figures like Adam, Noah, Abraham, Ishmael, Moses, because these larger than life characters are mythological figures, not historical figures.
 
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