psychoslice
Veteran Member
I differ, I believe that much of the new testament is plagiarised from other belief systems such as Buddhism, I also believe that most scriptures started from Hindu and Egyptian beliefs.
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Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah
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mahasn ebn sawresho
Well-Known Member
My friend
I do not believe that God sent down a book in one language
I believe that God put his book in our minds
And human history shared history
Ancient civilizations influenced and affected
And is not a shame to be a Christian in this humanitarian effects
But Christianity which feature one
They teach love
One of the most important pillars
And that it can not find clear in ancient civilizations
Yeah
I agree with you
Some accounts of the Torah is the transfer of ancient civilizations
For example immortality
It is a humanitarian idea
And Gilgamesh is one of the first who were looking for immortality
The novel Flood
This novel find common in ancient civilizations
So I am a Christian to Aanker that the teachings of Christ summary of human experience
This is the Christian faith
But Islam refuses to recognize that our word
He says that the Koran is the best books
mahasn ebn sawresho
Well-Known Member
agree with you my friend
Bible carries the experiences of human It is possible he was influenced by
For example, the idea of a humanitarian idea of immortality
The first of which is the search Gilgamesh
Because he was looking for immortality tree
The idea of the flood
Ancient civilizations know the flood
But the Torah wrote about religious manner
So we do not deny the influence of ancient civilizations
The problem is in Islam
And not in other religions
The most important additions is to teach love of Christ
But if I found love teaching in Buddhism , it is proof of the validity of the Bible
Because the high-end humanitarian ideas have in common humanly
But the problem is when we close our minds as Muslims do
They say that the Quran came down from heaven to Mohammed
It's a big problem
Bible carries the experiences of human It is possible he was influenced by
For example, the idea of a humanitarian idea of immortality
The first of which is the search Gilgamesh
Because he was looking for immortality tree
The idea of the flood
Ancient civilizations know the flood
But the Torah wrote about religious manner
So we do not deny the influence of ancient civilizations
The problem is in Islam
And not in other religions
The most important additions is to teach love of Christ
But if I found love teaching in Buddhism , it is proof of the validity of the Bible
Because the high-end humanitarian ideas have in common humanly
But the problem is when we close our minds as Muslims do
They say that the Quran came down from heaven to Mohammed
It's a big problem
psychoslice
Veteran Member
Ok, but you are doing the same thing, you believe your religion is the best and the true, every religion thinks the same way, what makes yours better than theirs, if you were born in a Muslim country you would be probably a Muslim today, and arguing that you are right, do you see ?.
MARCELLO
Transitioning from male to female
Though you appreciate a snow white choose islam as a religion you behead or at least disown a muslim choosing other religions or no religions . This is sarcastically true.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah
The Holy Quran : Chapter 72: Al-Jinn [1]
[72:1]In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
[72:2]Say, “It has been revealed to me that a company of the Jinn listened, and they said: ‘Truly we have heard a Qur’an that is wonderful,
[72:3]‘It guides to the right way; so we have believed in it, and we will not associate any one with our Lord.
[72:4]‘Andwe believethat the majesty of our Lord is exalted. He has taken neither wife nor son unto Himself.
[72:5]‘Andit is truethat the foolish amongst us used to utter extravagant lies concerning Allah.
[72:6]‘And we thought that men and Jinn would never speak a lie concerning Allah.
[72:7]‘And indeed some men from among the common folk used to seek the protection of some men from among the Jinn, and theythusincreasedthe latter intheir pride;
[72:8]‘And indeed they thought, even as you think, that Allah would never raise anyMessenger.
[72:9]‘And we sought to reach heaven, but we found it filled with strong guards and shooting stars.
[72:10]‘And we used to sit on some of its seats to listen. But whoso listens now, finds a shooting star in ambush for him.
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=72
Please prove that the above verses have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious revealed scripture in the world by quoting from that book, the reference and providing the link.
Just impossible to do it.
Quran is authored by G-d, it is the reality.
In terms of the notion "Koran dated to before Muhamad birth."and some of the pseudo scholars also , link provided by the poster, saying this. Since Muhammad could not have plagiarized Quran from the old scriptures before his own birth, it must be thrashed out by the said pseudo-scholars, pseudo-history and the pseudo-science all together evidencing on top-priority as to from which old scriptures Muhammad recited the above verses verbatim.
Regards
The Holy Quran : Chapter 72: Al-Jinn [1]
[72:1]In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
[72:2]Say, “It has been revealed to me that a company of the Jinn listened, and they said: ‘Truly we have heard a Qur’an that is wonderful,
[72:3]‘It guides to the right way; so we have believed in it, and we will not associate any one with our Lord.
[72:4]‘Andwe believethat the majesty of our Lord is exalted. He has taken neither wife nor son unto Himself.
[72:5]‘Andit is truethat the foolish amongst us used to utter extravagant lies concerning Allah.
[72:6]‘And we thought that men and Jinn would never speak a lie concerning Allah.
[72:7]‘And indeed some men from among the common folk used to seek the protection of some men from among the Jinn, and theythusincreasedthe latter intheir pride;
[72:8]‘And indeed they thought, even as you think, that Allah would never raise anyMessenger.
[72:9]‘And we sought to reach heaven, but we found it filled with strong guards and shooting stars.
[72:10]‘And we used to sit on some of its seats to listen. But whoso listens now, finds a shooting star in ambush for him.
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=72
Please prove that the above verses have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious revealed scripture in the world by quoting from that book, the reference and providing the link.
Just impossible to do it.
Quran is authored by G-d, it is the reality.
In terms of the notion "Koran dated to before Muhamad birth."and some of the pseudo scholars also , link provided by the poster, saying this. Since Muhammad could not have plagiarized Quran from the old scriptures before his own birth, it must be thrashed out by the said pseudo-scholars, pseudo-history and the pseudo-science all together evidencing on top-priority as to from which old scriptures Muhammad recited the above verses verbatim.
Regards
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
McBell
Unbound
No need to add any argument.
You have already thoroughly demonstrated you have your fingers firmly in your ears and are not about to listen to any thing you dislike.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
In other word one does not have any argument to present. Right?
Regards
McBell
Unbound
How about you actually address the many arguments already presented in this thread?
You know, the ones you dismissed, the ones you claim do not exist, the ones you stuck your fingers in your ears and screamed la la la in order to ignore?
So until you refute the arguments already presented in this and the at least one other thread...
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Jesus went to India after the event of crucifixion in which he survived death. His presence in India influenced religions in the area, so many events belonging to Jesus spread in the region and as he was also a Buddha so those events spread in Buddhism.
Regards
McBell
Unbound
This is based on what, exactly?
gnostic
The Lost One
Lol
What a load of bull that you spin...
There is no doubt at all that Hinduism and the younger Buddhism historically predated Jesus by centuries.
Hinduism grew from the Vedas scriptures, and the Vedas began, at the very least in 18th century BCE, hence the 2nd millennium BCE.
The most important Hindu epics - the Ramayana and the Mahabharata - both predated Jesus by 4 centuries at the very least. Jesus shared some characteristics of Krishna, an avatar of Vishnu who appeared in Mahabharata, is far older than that of Jesus.
And the claim of Jesus travelling to India after his SUPPOSED death, is pseudo-historical. You said that you don't believe in pseudoscience and pseudo-history, and yet this post of yours is just full of pseudo-crap.
The whole Jesus in India have already being dismissed as a myth, and yet you believe in this myth, tell me quite clearly you would believe in all sort of silliness.
Tell me, paarsurrey, can you quote anywhere in the Qur'an that Jesus have been to India?
I have read the Qur'an, and I know the Qur'an doesn't say Jesus has been to India. So if you didn't get it from the Qur'an, then where did you get this absurd claim?
Jesus teaching Buddhism and Hinduism to Indians...what a load of absurdities. You don't know what you are talking about, paarsurrey. You give me advice about education is clearly should be follow by you.
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gnostic
The Lost One
Most of the Jesus in India absurdities come from the 19th and early 20th centuries.
I think paarsurrey's source to his claim, most likely come from its Ahmadiyya founder - Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. If I remembered correctly Ahmad was one of those who made such ridiculous claims about Jesus being in India after the crucifixion.
I don't remember if paarsurrey is Ahmadiyya follower or not, but that would certainly explain his baseless belief.
psychoslice
Veteran Member
Sorry I don't quite understand what your getting it ?.
mahasn ebn sawresho
Well-Known Member
I offer you what I believe
And compare and decide who is the best
You put the teachings of every religion in the balance of the mind
And from it you can know them better
mahasn ebn sawresho
Well-Known Member
Christ said
Their eyes , but they do not see
And they have ears but they do not listen
Jedster
Well-Known Member
True. He wrote a book about it called 'Jesus in India'
mahasn ebn sawresho
Well-Known Member
You want proof that the Koran was not copied from the previous books
We were made to states of the Al-Jinn
The Al-Jinn is an oddity of the Koran
First -arad you to see who is the jinn ???
Is it a demon ?
Is he an angel ???
Is Gin actually exist ??
The Persian word jinn
You have to understand this myth before that you provide to us
This sura is the word of Satan , not the word of God
Gin is the devil
Do you believe in the Book of the dialogue between the Devils
They're spying on God ??
It is important to open a new topic even explain Al-Jinn and Devils