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Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

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mahasn ebn sawresho

Well-Known Member
Jedster said:
True. He wrote a book about it called 'Jesus in India'
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Everybody has the right to write what he wants but he has proof
History says
That which arrived to India is one of the disciples of Christ
St. Thomas the Apostle , a
Who was preaching in Syria , Iraq, India
For general information
India has a range called Almlbarien and Almlkanyen
And those of the Chaldeans
One who transferred Kings Persians to India as prisoners and slaves
It is possible that St. Thomas had preached this community and converted to Christianity on his hand
These historical facts
I hope you know that Khende
 
paarsurrey

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

The Holy Quran : Chapter 72: Al-Jinn [2]

[72:11]‘And we know not whether evil is intended for those who are in the earth or whether their Lord intendssomethinggood for them.
[72:12]‘And some of us are righteous and some of us are otherwise; and we are sects holding different views.
[72:13]‘And we know that we cannot frustratethe plan ofAllah in the earth, nor can we escape Him by flight.
[72:14]‘And when we heard thecall toguidance, we believed in it. And he who believes in his Lord has no fear of loss or injustice.
[72:15]‘And some of us submitto Godand some of us have deviatedfrom the right course.’” And those who submitto God— it is these who seek the right course.
[72:16]And as for those who deviatefrom the right course, they are the fuel of Hell.
[72:17]And if they keep to therightpath, We shall certainly provide them with abundant water to drink,
[72:18]That We may try them thereby. And whoso turns away from the remembrance of his Lord — He will push him into an overwhelmingly severe punishment.
[72:19]Andallplaces of worship belong to Allah; so call not on any one beside Allah.
[72:20]And when the Servant of Allah stands up praying to Him, they crowd upon him, well nigh suffocating him.
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=72&verse=11

Please prove that the above verses have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious revealed scripture in the world by quoting from that book, the reference and providing the link.
Just impossible to do it.
Quran is authored by G-d, it is the reality.

In terms of the notion "Koran dated to before Muhamad birth."and some of the pseudo scholars also , link provided by the poster, saying this. Since Muhammad could not have plagiarized Quran from the old scriptures before his own birth, it must be thrashed out by the said pseudo-scholars, pseudo-history and the pseudo-science all together evidencing on top-priority as to from which old scriptures Muhammad recited the above verses verbatim.

Regards
 
paarsurrey

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
gnostic said:
Lol :p
What a load of bull that you spin...
There is no doubt at all that Hinduism and the younger Buddhism historically predated Jesus by centuries.
Hinduism grew from the Vedas scriptures, and the Vedas began, at the very least in 18th century BCE, hence the 2nd millennium BCE.
The most important Hindu epics - the Ramayana and the Mahabharata - both predated Jesus by 4 centuries at the very least. Jesus shared some characteristics of Krishna, an avatar of Vishnu who appeared in Mahabharata, is far older than that of Jesus.
And the claim of Jesus travelling to India after his SUPPOSED death, is pseudo-historical. You said that you don't believe in pseudoscience and pseudo-history, and yet this post of yours is just full of pseudo-crap.
The whole Jesus in India have already being dismissed as a myth, and yet you believe in this myth, tell me quite clearly you would believe in all sort of silliness.
Tell me, paarsurrey, can you quote anywhere in the Qur'an that Jesus have been to India?
I have read the Qur'an, and I know the Qur'an doesn't say Jesus has been to India. So if you didn't get it from the Qur'an, then where did you get this absurd claim?
Jesus teaching Buddhism and Hinduism to Indians...what a load of absurdities. You don't know what you are talking about, paarsurrey. You give me advice about education is clearly should be follow by you.
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Quran does provide a clue about Jesus and his mother taking refuge at a place well described as:
[23:51]And We made the son of Mary and his mother a Sign, and gave them refuge on an elevated land of green valleys and springs of running water.
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=23&verse=50

You know that Kashmir is renowned to be a place called "Heaven on Earth":
New Delhi:Kashmir is known as one the most beautiful places in India where time stands still.
Water, in all or any forms, is one of Kashmir's charms like rivers, lakes, springs, make music all over the valley.
The alluring and majestic sweeps of forested mountains are tempered with miles of flowering meadows.
It has many breathtaking and attracting places that is beyond imagination. In this beautiful land, fruits grow in abundance: apple, cherry, peach, pear, plum, loquat, almond, walnut and pine nut.
Watch in pics the beauty of Kashmir valley and understand why it's called heaven on earth:
http://www.indiatvnews.com/news/india/why-kashmir-is-called-heaven-on-earth-watch-pics--26835.html
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More images for heaven on earth kashmir
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Courtesy
https://www.google.ca/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=heaven on earth kashmir
http://aaiil.org/text/books/others/khwajanazirahmad/jesusinheavenonearth/jesusinheavenonearth.pdf
No harm if you visit the place and see the "tomb of Jesus" there.
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McBell

McBell

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paarsurrey said:
Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

The Holy Quran : Chapter 72: Al-Jinn [2]

[72:11]‘And we know not whether evil is intended for those who are in the earth or whether their Lord intendssomethinggood for them.
[72:12]‘And some of us are righteous and some of us are otherwise; and we are sects holding different views.
[72:13]‘And we know that we cannot frustratethe plan ofAllah in the earth, nor can we escape Him by flight.
[72:14]‘And when we heard thecall toguidance, we believed in it. And he who believes in his Lord has no fear of loss or injustice.
[72:15]‘And some of us submitto Godand some of us have deviatedfrom the right course.’” And those who submitto God— it is these who seek the right course.
[72:16]And as for those who deviatefrom the right course, they are the fuel of Hell.
[72:17]And if they keep to therightpath, We shall certainly provide them with abundant water to drink,
[72:18]That We may try them thereby. And whoso turns away from the remembrance of his Lord — He will push him into an overwhelmingly severe punishment.
[72:19]Andallplaces of worship belong to Allah; so call not on any one beside Allah.
[72:20]And when the Servant of Allah stands up praying to Him, they crowd upon him, well nigh suffocating him.
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=72&verse=11

Please prove that the above verses have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious revealed scripture in the world by quoting from that book, the reference and providing the link.
Just impossible to do it.
Quran is authored by G-d, it is the reality.

In terms of the notion "Koran dated to before Muhamad birth."and some of the pseudo scholars also , link provided by the poster, saying this. Since Muhammad could not have plagiarized Quran from the old scriptures before his own birth, it must be thrashed out by the said pseudo-scholars, pseudo-history and the pseudo-science all together evidencing on top-priority as to from which old scriptures Muhammad recited the above verses verbatim.

Regards
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Still beating that dead horse?
Sad that you have not been able to convince yourself yet.
 
gnostic

gnostic

The Lost One
Mestemia said:
This is based on what, exactly?
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paarsurrey said:
Jesus in India by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908 - The Promised Messiah and Mahdi
Founder of the Ahmadiyya Movement in Islam
http://www.alislam.org/library/books/jesus-in-india/index.html
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I thought so.

paarsurrey said:
Quran does provide a clue about Jesus and his mother taking refuge at a place well described as:
[23:51]And We made the son of Mary and his mother a Sign, and gave them refuge on an elevated land of green valleys and springs of running water.
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That's (23:50) a very general description, that could mean any valley and spring of any elevated land, in any part of the world.

And "elevated land" could mean anything from just a "hill", or mound or plateau.

2nd, none of the translation that I have seen, mention anything about a "valley" or "valleys". What translation are you quoting from?

You do realize that the Hellenistic people of that time, including that of Judaea, have traded with India, via the Silk Road, so they would have known names of towns/cities, rivers, mountains and any other geographical places in India.

That you would quote me and say that's India, is the same sort of psuedo-history (or "fake history") that you have claimed you were against, and yet you would identify India or Kashmir based on a brief generalised description with no name or actual recognisable signpost.

If you are going to me a quote with vague or generalised description of location with no names to tell me where this verse (23:50) meant to represent, then you have no evidence to provide me.

Clearly, you understand what "pseudo-historical" and "pseudoscience" mean, because otherwise you wouldn't be using pseudo-history right now with your reply.

Lastly, I doubt very much that Mary, who was no longer a young woman, would have made to India, in such a long road, unless you think they took a boat or ship to India. There are no description of journey in this verse or chapter, whether by land, by sea or by air. But if you think this location is in Kashmir, then most likely by land.

This is why I don't take Muslims seriously in scholarship, especially when they tried to mix religion with history or geography (or with science). You give far more meaning to a vague passage in your precious Qur'an, and take your interpretation as if it was "done-deal".
 
paarsurrey

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
mahasn ebn sawresho said:
Everybody has the right to write what he wants but he has proof
History says
That which arrived to India is one of the disciples of Christ
St. Thomas the Apostle , a
Who was preaching in Syria , Iraq, India
For general information
India has a range called Almlbarien and Almlkanyen
And those of the Chaldeans
One who transferred Kings Persians to India as prisoners and slaves
It is possible that St. Thomas had preached this community and converted to Christianity on his hand
These historical facts
I hope you know that Khende
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I checked with Google, could not find such range called "Almlbarien and Almlkanyen" in India.
Anybody to please mention its location, if there is any such place.
Regards
 
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mahasn ebn sawresho

Well-Known Member
paarsurrey said:
checked with Google, could not find such range called "Almlbarien and Almlkanyen" in India.
Anybody to please mention its location, if there is any such place.
Regards
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The oldest you Aloykebedea
Chaldean Church Syriac and Mtbaaha are of Indian Christians, and now they follow the doctrine of the Assyrian Church of the East , one of the churches founded by Saint Thomas the Apostle one of the disciples of Christ in the first century AD , the followers of this church are currently concentrated in the state of Kerala in south-east India and its cathedral located in the city of Tresor
 
paarsurrey

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
gnostic said:
Lastly, I doubt very much that Mary, who was no longer a young woman, would have made to India, in such a long road, unless you think they took a boat or ship to India. There are no description of journey in this verse or chapter, whether by land, by sea or by air. But if you think this location is in Kashmir, then most likely by land.
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“Leaving Taxila, Jesus, Mary and Thomas travelled on towards Kashmir; but Mary was not to experience the so-called "Heaven on Earth".
Not being able to bear the hardships of the long journey, Mary died at what is now the small town of Murree, which was named in honour of her (5) and is situated about forty miles from Taxila and thirty from Rawalpindi. The place where she is buried is known as Pindi Point, and the sepulchre itself is called Mai Mari da Asthan, meaning "resting place of Mother Mary". According to Jewish custom, the tomb is oriented east¬west, as are the tombs of Jesus and Moses (discussed later). This contrasts with the customary orientation of Moslem tombs, which is north-south.”
Andreas Faber-Kaiser. Jesus Died in Kahmir. Gordon and Cremonesi, 1977. Page 82-83.
Andreas Faber-Kaiser is not a Muslim.
Regards
 
MARCELLO

MARCELLO

Transitioning from male to female
In the wider islamic study there are fat chapters called Israilliat . Pls explain.

Cheers!
 
paarsurrey

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
mahasn ebn sawresho said:
The oldest you Aloykebedea
Chaldean Church Syriac and Mtbaaha are of Indian Christians, and now they follow the doctrine of the Assyrian Church of the East , one of the churches founded by Saint Thomas the Apostle one of the disciples of Christ in the first century AD , the followers of this church are currently concentrated in the state of Kerala in south-east India and its cathedral located in the city of Tresor
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I don't get you as to what is "Aloykebedea"
Please quote some on-line sources for it.
Regards
 
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mahasn ebn sawresho

Well-Known Member
paarsurrey said:
It is not mentioned in Quran.
Regards
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This is a modern term
Because when Muslims believe that some conversations attributed to Muhammad does not fit with logic and reason
They say Asirailaat
In any case, based on the Koran Alasirailaat
Because some verses of the Koran can not be understood
Without the assistance or the Torah Balasirailaat
 
gnostic

gnostic

The Lost One
paarsurrey said:
“Leaving Taxila, Jesus, Mary and Thomas travelled on towards Kashmir; but Mary was not to experience the so-called "Heaven on Earth".
Not being able to bear the hardships of the long journey, Mary died at what is now the small town of Murree, which was named in honour of her (5) and is situated about forty miles from Taxila and thirty from Rawalpindi. The place where she is buried is known as Pindi Point, and the sepulchre itself is called Mai Mari da Asthan, meaning "resting place of Mother Mary". According to Jewish custom, the tomb is oriented east¬west, as are the tombs of Jesus and Moses (discussed later). This contrasts with the customary orientation of Moslem tombs, which is north-south.”
Andreas Faber-Kaiser. Jesus Died in Kahmir. Gordon and Cremonesi, 1977. Page 82-83.
Andreas Faber-Kaiser is not a Muslim.
Regards
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It doesn't matter if the author is Muslim or non-Muslim, the whole Jesus in India began in the 19th century, with no historical basis or historical evidences to support Jesus was ever in India.

Some stories say that Jesus was in India, when he was still a child. Others say it was after the crucifixion. Both of them are literary inventions, not history.

I really don't give a fig that Faber-Kaiser isn't a Muslim; it is a modern myth, not history.

You stated that you don't believe in, nor accept pseudo-history, and yet you believe in these pseudo-historical garbages, show that you have no idea what it mean about history.
 
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