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Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

rosends

rosends

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paarsurrey said:
Please quote from the Book of Mormon the claim and the reasons.
Joseph Smith does not claim to be prophet of G-d but prophet of Jesus.
Regards
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You have lost focus. The statement you made was "Quran has claimed that it is authored by G-d and given reasons for it." while the BOM has claimed that it includes the direct words of God (start with Nephi, verse 14 or 15) and an explanation for how it was transmitted to prophets and then the Joseph Smith. The claim of divinity is there. The context is given. Using your logic, you have to believe it.
 
paarsurrey

paarsurrey

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rosends said:
You have lost focus. The statement you made was "Quran has claimed that it is authored by G-d and given reasons for it." while the BOM has claimed that it includes the direct words of God (start with Nephi, verse 14 or 15) and an explanation for how it was transmitted to prophets and then the Joseph Smith. The claim of divinity is there. The context is given. Using your logic, you have to believe it.
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Let the Mormons plead their case.
Regards
 
paarsurrey

paarsurrey

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Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

The Holy Quran : Chapter 69: Al-Haqqah:[3]
[69:21]‘Surely, I knew that I would meet my reckoning.’
[69:22]So he will have a delightful life,
[69:23]In a lofty Garden,
[69:24]Whereof clusters of fruit will be within easy reach.
[69:25]‘Eat and drink joyfully because of the good deeds you did in days gone by.’
[69:26]But as for him who is given his record in his left hand, he will say, ‘O would that I had not been given my record!
[69:27]‘Nor known what my reckoning was!
[69:28]‘O would that death had made an end of me!
[69:29]‘My wealth has been of no avail to me.
[69:30]‘My power has perished from me.’
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=69&verse=21

Please prove that the above verses have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious revealed scripture in the world by quoting from that book, the reference and providing the link.
Just impossible to do it.
Quran is authored by G-d, it is the reality.

In terms of the notion "Koran dated to before Muhamad birth."and some of the pseudo scholars also , link provided by the poster, saying this. Since Muhammad could not have plagiarized Quran from the old scriptures before his own birth, it must be thrashed out by the said pseudo-scholars, pseudo-history and the pseudo-science all together evidencing on top-priority as to from which old scriptures Muhammad recited the above verses verbatim.

Regards
 
paarsurrey

paarsurrey

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In other our friends here confirm that the verses given in the previous post have not been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious revealed scripture in the world?
Regards
 
rosends

rosends

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paarsurrey said:
In other our friends here confirm that the verses given in the previous post have not been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious revealed scripture in the world?
Regards
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and we attest that the same holds true for various chapters of the first Harry Potter book.
 
paarsurrey

paarsurrey

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Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

The Holy Quran : Chapter 69: Al-Haqqah:[4]
[69:31]‘Seize him and fetter him,
[69:32]‘Then cast him into Hell.
[69:33]‘Then put him into a chain the length of which is seventy cubits;
[69:34]‘Verily, he did not believe in Allah, the Great,
[69:35]‘And he did not urge the feeding of the poor.
[69:36]‘No friend, therefore, has he here this day;
[69:37]‘Nor any food save blood mixed with water,
[69:38]‘Which none but the sinners eat.’
[69:39]But nay, I swear by all that you see,
[69:40]And by all that you see not,
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=69&verse=31

Please prove that the above verses have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious revealed scripture in the world by quoting from that book, the reference and providing the link.
Just impossible to do it.
Quran is authored by G-d, it is the reality.

In terms of the notion "Koran dated to before Muhamad birth."and some of the pseudo scholars also , link provided by the poster, saying this. Since Muhammad could not have plagiarized Quran from the old scriptures before his own birth, it must be thrashed out by the said pseudo-scholars, pseudo-history and the pseudo-science all together evidencing on top-priority as to from which old scriptures Muhammad recited the above verses verbatim.

Regards
 
paarsurrey

paarsurrey

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Quran is authored by G-d, it is a reality that should be understood. Muhammad was only a recipient of the Message for the humanity from G-d. Right? Please
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rosends

rosends

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paarsurrey said:
paarsurrey said: ↑
Do you prefer Harry Potter's book over Torah now?
Regards


Why don't you prefer Harry Potter's book or Book of Mormon over Torah? Please
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If you can't answer a question or follow the consequences of your own argument, you shouldn't turn around and ask other questions.
 
paarsurrey

paarsurrey

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paarsurrey said: ↑ Post #1174
Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah
The Holy Quran : Chapter 71: Nooh [2]
[71:11]“And I said, ‘Seek forgiveness of your Lord; for He is the Great Forgiver.
[71:12]‘He will send down rain for you in abundance,
Tumah said:
Deut. 11:13,14
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Devarim - Deuteronomy - Chapter 11:13-14
13And it will be, if you hearken to My commandments that I command you this day to love the Lord, your God, and to serve Him with all your heart and with all your soul,
14I will give the rain of your land at its time, the early rain and the latter rain, and you will gather in your grain, your wine, and your oil.
http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/9975
The above verses of the Quran are about Noah (Quran Chapter Noah, 71:11-12).
The verses of the Torah Deut. 11:13-4 (quoted by friend Tumah ) are about Moses not about Noah.
Quran talks of forgiveness available to the people to whom Noah was sent.
The verses of Torah (quoted by friend Tumah ) don’t mention anything of forgiveness.
Regards
 
paarsurrey

paarsurrey

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psychoslice said:
Who really cares where the Quran came from, its there, just like any other scripture, its up to you to believe in it our not, just like all the other scriptures throughout the world, its only when we believe our own scriptures is the truth, that we stuff up everything.
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Quran is truthful, one aspect of it is that it confirms truth in other scriptures and tells that which they are lacking in now.
Regards
 
paarsurrey

paarsurrey

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paarsurrey said: ↑ Post#1174
[71:13]‘And He will strengthen you with wealth and with children, and He will give you gardens and He will give you rivers.
Tumah said:
Deut. 30:5
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@ Kirran also Post #1246
Deut. 30:5
5 And the Lord, your God, will bring you to the land which your forefathers possessed, and you [too] will take possession of it, and He will do good to you, and He will make you more numerous than your forefathers.
http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/9994
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The verse of the Torah Deut. 30:5 (quoted by friend Tumah ) is about Moses not about Noah.
The above verse of the Quran are about Noah (Quran Chapter Noah, 71:13).
So, the contention of friend Tumah is incorrect and misleading.

Regards
 
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paarsurrey

paarsurrey

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Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

Post#2033 is relevant here, one may like to see it.
Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah is therefore truthful.
Regards
 
rosends

rosends

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paarsurrey said:
Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

Post#2033 is relevant here, one may like to see it.
Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah is therefore truthful.
Regards
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Harry Potter did not copy from the Jewish Bible/Torah is therefore truthful.
 
paarsurrey

paarsurrey

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Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

The Holy Quran : Chapter 69: Al-Haqqah [5]

[69:41]That it is surely the word brought by a noble Messenger;
[69:42]And it is not the word of a poet; little is it that you believe!
69:43]Nor is it the word of a soothsayer; little is it that you heed!
[69:44]It isa revelation from the Lord of the worlds.
[69:45]And if he had forgedand attributedany sayings to Us,
[69:46]We would surely have seized him by the right hand
[69:47]And then surely We would have severed his life-artery,
[69:48]And not one of you could have heldUsoff from him.
[69:49]And verily it is a reminder for the righteous.
[69:50]And, surely, We know that there are some among you who rejectOur Signs.
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=69&verse=41

Please prove that the above verses have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious revealed scripture in the world by quoting from that book, the reference and providing the link.
Just impossible to do it.
Quran is authored by G-d, it is the reality.

In terms of the notion "Koran dated to before Muhamad birth."and some of the pseudo scholars also , link provided by the poster, saying this. Since Muhammad could not have plagiarized Quran from the old scriptures before his own birth, it must be thrashed out by the said pseudo-scholars, pseudo-history and the pseudo-science all together evidencing on top-priority as to from which old scriptures Muhammad recited the above verses verbatim.

Regards
 
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