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Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

paarsurrey

paarsurrey

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We can conclude with 100% certainty that 0% of verses of 47 chapters of Quran that make more than 1/3 of Quran have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Torah or any other scripture.
Quran is, therefore, the Word Revealed from G-d and authored by Him and is original.

Regards
 
rosends

rosends

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paarsurrey said:
We can conclude with 100% certainty that 0% of verses of 47 chapters of Quran that make more than 1/3 of Quran have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Torah or any other scripture.
Quran is, therefore, the Word Revealed from G-d and authored by Him and is original.

Regards
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that a strange conclusion to jump to. Harry Potter wasn't copied from the Torah so does that mean that it is therefore the Word Revealed?
 
paarsurrey

paarsurrey

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rosends said:
that a strange conclusion to jump to. Harry Potter wasn't copied from the Torah so does that mean that it is therefore the Word Revealed?
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Your example is no incorrect.
Quran has claimed that it is authored by G-d and given reasons for it.
Regards
 
Augustus

Augustus

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paarsurrey said:
We can conclude with 100% certainty that 0% of verses of 47 chapters of Quran that make more than 1/3 of Quran [relate to] Torah or any other scripture... 3.Aal-e-`Imran,
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Modern western scholars have missed some subtle differences in the two Qur’anic stories of the Annunciation, Mary’s conception of Jesus, and her delivery, which provide us with clear clues as to their origin. The annunciation story in sura Al ‘Imran 3:42–9 derives from the extracanonical text the Protevangelium of James 11, whereas the version in sura Maryam 19:17–21 derives from the Gospel of Luke 1–2 or the corresponding sections in Tatian’s Diatessaron.15 Both the Gospel of Luke and sura Maryam start with the annunciation of John to Zechariah, followed by the annunciation of Jesus to Mary. Sura Al ‘Imran and the Protevangelium of James, however, report the annunciation of Jesus following the story of the annunciation of Mary and her upbringing in the Temple, which are not mentioned in either the Gospel of Luke or sura Maryam. Moreover, in sura Maryam and the Gospel of Luke, the angel tells Mary that she will conceive a boy; whereas in sura Al ‘Imran and the Protevangelium of James, Mary is told that she will conceive the word of God. These close similarities are proofs that here the Qur’an is borrowing canonical and extracanonical material that was used by mainstream Christians;16 the Protevangelium of James was heavily used in eastern Christian liturgical collections (in western Christianity, although the text was banned, the Protevangelium of James was reworked in the form of the Gospel of Pseudo-Matthew). It is the most important noncanonical gospel to provide information about Mary’s life, thus inspiring the many frescos, mosaics and other artistic representations of her life;17 the best examples can still be seen in the frescos in the Chora (Kariye) Church in Istanbul.1 Mary in the Qur’an: a reexamination of her presentation SULEIMAN A. MOURAD

https://serdargunes.files.wordpress...-historical-context-gabriel-said-reynolds.pdf


"Hast thou not regarded those who assert that they believe in what has been sent down to thee, and what was sent down before thee" Quran 4:60

Muslims believe that God has already sent down his message to previous prophets, is it not an orthodox belief to expect that passages of the Quran should relate to passages of other scripture and religious text?

An Islamic hermeneutic would see such similarities as confirmation of the truth of the message would it not?

One can argue over the reasons for such similarities, but one cannot argue that such similarities exist.
 
paarsurrey

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Augustus said:
One can argue over the reasons for such similarities, but one cannot argue that such similarities exist.
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It is incumbent for a Muslims to believe the Word of Revelation on all the past/future truthful prophets of G-d:
[2:5]And who believe in that which has been revealed to thee, and that which was revealed before thee, and they have firm faith in what is yet to come.
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=2&verse=0
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The similarities could exist due to the above teaching because all past prophets received similar message from the common source of revelation i.e., G-d.
Of course that does not mean Quran copied anything from the other scriptures.
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Kirran

Kirran

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Premium Member
Paarsurrey, I think it's only fair to inform you that the dishonesty and unwillingness to listen to others which you consistently display on these forums is only worsening people's perceptions of Islam's adherents, even if only by a margin of 1/1.6 billion.
 
Augustus

Augustus

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paarsurrey said:
The similarities could exist due to the above teaching because all past prophets received similar message from the common source of revelation i.e., G-d.
Of course that does not mean Quran copied anything from the other scriptures.
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Do you acknowledge that some material from the Quran is very similar to that from earlier Jewish and Christian sources, so similar that they must have had a common origin? If you want to see that common origin as divine revelation to earlier prophets that's ok, but do you admit such similarities exist?
 
paarsurrey

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Augustus said:
Do you acknowledge that some material from the Quran is very similar to that from earlier Jewish and Christian sources, so similar that they must have had a common origin? If you want to see that common origin as divine revelation to earlier prophets that's ok, but do you admit such similarities exist?
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Common origin is only G-d, nothing else, yes:
[3:65]Say, ‘O People of the Book! come to a word equal between us and you — that we worship none but Allah, and that we associate no partner with Him, and that some of us take not others for Lords beside Allah.’ But if they turn away, then say, ‘Bear witness that we have submitted to God.’
[3:66]O People of the Book! why do you dispute concerning Abraham, when the Torah and the Gospel were not revealed till after him? Will you not then understand?
[3:67]Behold! you are those who disputed about that whereof you had knowledge. Why then do younowdispute about that whereof you have no knowledgeat all? Allah knows, and you know not.
[3:68]Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but he was ever inclinedto God andobedientto Him, and he was not of those who associate godswith God.
[3:69]Surely, the nearest of men to Abraham are those who followed him, and this Prophet and those who believe; and Allah is the friend of believers.
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=3&verse=64​
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paarsurrey

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Augustus said:
Do you acknowledge that some material from the Quran is very similar to that from earlier Jewish and Christian sources, so similar that they must have had a common origin? If you want to see that common origin as divine revelation to earlier prophets that's ok, but do you admit such similarities exist?
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We Muslims do believe all the Prophets as per Quran, and believing in them necessarily entail believing in the Word of G-d revealed to them:
[2:137]Say ye: ‘We believe in Allah and what has been revealed to us, and what was revealed to Abraham and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob and his children, and what was given to Moses and Jesus, and what was given toall otherProphets from their Lord. We make no difference between any of them; and to Him we submit ourselves.’
[2:138]And if they believe as you have believed, then are they surely guided; but if they turn back, then they are only creating a schism, and Allah will surely suffice thee against them, for He is All-Hearing, All-Knowing.
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=2&verse=136​
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