Is Rape justified in a marriage?

[MissAlice]

I can't believe you thought twice about this... come on chikidee... the girl power panties are to your left. Now put them on and trot on away from twisted retarded people like that. There's no help for them. It's frightening, sad and twisted, but don't let it affect you. Just stay away from people like that. I'm sure that's not the only sad twisted retarded view they entertain.

LOL yeah you're probably right. I don't know I'm just curious about what goes on in a person who believes in treating another human being like property. But I think what astounds me even more is the person who is being treated as property. Most of them seem ok with this as if it was part of their job.

 

[Vasilisa Jade]

LOL yeah you're probably right. I don't know I'm just curious about what goes on in a person who believes in treating another human being like property. But I think what astounds me even more is the person who is being treated as property. Most of them seem ok with this as if it was part of their job.

I see...

I decided that the women are emotionally and mentally masochistic. There's no other explanation.

The men/people like that cultivate power through taking advantage of others who are emotionally or morally compromised. When their victims are compromised morally it is usually through manipulation of what is "moral." The women truly think it is moral to have forced sex to satisfy their husbands due to the covenant of marriage. I think being compromised emotionally is from being emotionally masochistic. I think it is quite possible to be brainwashed into both states, and they usually work together for people to think like that.

Think about it... possessions = power. Rape is a power game. They go hand in hand. It's all about power and desire for power. Some people like this understand what they are doing and others don't.

 

[.lava]

I see...

I decided that the women are emotionally and mentally masochistic. There's no other explanation.

i agree. yet some of women have to get along with current situation they are in only because they are not financially independent or they are ignorant and they do not know their options because they are not taught

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[ChristineES]

I see...

I decided that the women are emotionally and mentally masochistic. There's no other explanation.

The men/people like that cultivate power through taking advantage of others who are emotionally or morally compromised. When their victims are compromised morally it is usually through manipulation of what is "moral." The women truly think it is moral to have forced sex to satisfy their husbands due to the covenant of marriage. I think being compromised emotionally is from being emotionally masochistic. I think it is quite possible to be brainwashed into both states, and they usually work together for people to think like that.

Think about it... possessions = power. Rape is a power game. They go hand in hand. It's all about power and desire for power. Some people like this understand what they are doing and others don't.

The women probably also have extreme low self-esteem and may have been abused as a child, too.

 

[Vasilisa Jade]

Yeah you two are right also. Add those two things, and then there is no other explanation. : p

 

[.lava]

Yeah you two are right also. Add those two things, and then there is no other explanation. : p

haha yes, there is not, indeed

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[YmirGF]

I came across this earlier today.

Amjaonline - Assembly of Muslim Jurists of America

Question​

Salamu `alaykum,

Rape generally falls beneath the category of zinaa.
My questions are these: Is there a such thing as marital rape in the shari`ah?
On another note, is a man permitted to FORCE his wife to have sexual intercourse with him? this is obviously when she is naashiz and unwilling to have coitus.

Jazaakum Allahu Khairan

Fatwa​

In the name of Allah, all praise is for Allah, and may peace and blessing be upon the Messenger of Allah and his family. To proceed:

For a wife to abandon the bed of her husband without excuse is haram. It is one of the major sins and the angels curse her until the morning as we have been informed by the Prophet (may Allah bless him and grant him peace). She is considered nashiz (rebellious) under these circumstances.


As for the issue of forcing a wife to have sex, if she refuses, this would not be called rape, even though it goes against natural instincts and destroys love and mercy, and there is a great sin upon the wife who refuses; and Allah Almighty is more exalted and more knowledgeable. 2007-05-30.




It certainly is a nuanced response, I'll give it that. Oddly... there isn't much mention of anything to do with the man's behavior...


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[.lava]

As for the issue of forcing a wife to have sex, if she refuses, this would not be called rape, even though it goes against natural instincts and destroys love and mercy, and there is a great sin upon the wife who refuses; and Allah Almighty is more exalted and more knowledgeable. 2007-05-30.

if it is not rape then what is? if it is acceptable then why it destroys love and mercy? it is illogical and makes no sense

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[Midnight Pete]

Ok well before anyone says it isn't, I was arguing with some people who in their religious belief believe that there is no such thing as rape in a marriage. In other words, if a woman decides to marry she must give up some of her "rights" and please her man. One woman told me that a man has needs and the purpose of a woman is to please those needs.

I know this sounds crazy but I was asked why it's rape and why it isn't justified in my point of view. Well for one, I don't think it's fair to the woman. I was raised in a society where men and women are equal in a relationship. However I'm not married, I was wondering what anyone else's point of view is when sex is forced upon a woman who is married to her husband.

Marriage does not justify rape. Nothing does, ever. Rape is rape is rape.

 

[Midnight Pete]

I came across this earlier today.

Amjaonline - Assembly of Muslim Jurists of America

Question​

Salamu `alaykum,​

Rape generally falls beneath the category of zinaa.


My questions are these: Is there a such thing as marital rape in the shari`ah?


On another note, is a man permitted to FORCE his wife to have sexual intercourse with him? this is obviously when she is naashiz and unwilling to have coitus.​

Jazaakum Allahu Khairan​

Fatwa​

In the name of Allah, all praise is for Allah, and may peace and blessing be upon the Messenger of Allah and his family. To proceed:​

For a wife to abandon the bed of her husband without excuse is haram. It is one of the major sins and the angels curse her until the morning as we have been informed by the Prophet (may Allah bless him and grant him peace). She is considered nashiz (rebellious) under these circumstances.​

As for the issue of forcing a wife to have sex, if she refuses, this would not be called rape, even though it goes against natural instincts and destroys love and mercy, and there is a great sin upon the wife who refuses; and Allah Almighty is more exalted and more knowledgeable. 2007-05-30.​

It certainly is a nuanced response, I'll give it that. Oddly... there isn't much mention of anything to do with the man's behavior... ​

This is probably the best evidence of Islamic misogyny anyone will ever have.

 

[YmirGF]

if it is not rape then what is? if it is acceptable then why it destroys love and mercy? it is illogical and makes no sense

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I don't know, .lava. It is just fortunate that such fatwa's are non-binding. It is still troubling that American jurists would come up with this nuanced opinion. Perhaps, it is my personal bias showing, but I wouldn't have been the slightest bit surprised if this had originated from some Middle Eastern group, but to think American jurists are saying this - even if they are isolated exceptions - is a little unsettling.

 

[The Shadow]

I vote that it is wrong. The mere fact the husband owns her, does not give him the right to assault her.

Being married to someone in no way constitutes "ownership" of that person.

 

[Wannabe Yogi]

How primitive savages actually manage to attract women I've no idea.

Come on Father Heathen get with the program. Look at the movies. The caveman hits the cavewomen over the head with the club. Drags her back to the honeymoon cave. Then you have cavebabies. It is all the way god intended it.

 

[Midnight Pete]

Being married to someone in no way constitutes "ownership" of that person.

In some primirive stone age cultures it does.

 

[Revoltingest]

Being married to someone in no way constitutes "ownership" of that person.

No argument here, but that view is adopted by some.

 

[MissAlice]

No argument here, but that view is adopted by some.

Agreed. There are many who believe from a divine entity that man has authority over woman. I think rape is just one of the factors. There are some who believe there is no such thing as rape rather rape gets switched to the word right. A man has a right to a woman's body.

 

[Father Heathen]

In some primirive stone age cultures it does.

Like the one preserved by the bible?

 

[beenie]

I came across this earlier today.

Amjaonline - Assembly of Muslim Jurists of America

Question​

Salamu `alaykum,

Rape generally falls beneath the category of zinaa.
My questions are these: Is there a such thing as marital rape in the shari`ah?
On another note, is a man permitted to FORCE his wife to have sexual intercourse with him? this is obviously when she is naashiz and unwilling to have coitus.

Jazaakum Allahu Khairan

Fatwa​

In the name of Allah, all praise is for Allah, and may peace and blessing be upon the Messenger of Allah and his family. To proceed:

For a wife to abandon the bed of her husband without excuse is haram. It is one of the major sins and the angels curse her until the morning as we have been informed by the Prophet (may Allah bless him and grant him peace). She is considered nashiz (rebellious) under these circumstances.


As for the issue of forcing a wife to have sex, if she refuses, this would not be called rape, even though it goes against natural instincts and destroys love and mercy, and there is a great sin upon the wife who refuses; and Allah Almighty is more exalted and more knowledgeable. 2007-05-30.




It certainly is a nuanced response, I'll give it that. Oddly... there isn't much mention of anything to do with the man's behavior...


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I don't know where in the world they find these so-called scholars to write these fatwas. Honestly, do they really believe that's what our Prophet meant? Certainly abstaining from intercourse with your spouse out of spite can damage a marriage, but I don't get how forcing her to have intercourse falls under that category...honestly, we need new scholars; preferably some with some common sense.

if it is not rape then what is? if it is acceptable then why it destroys love and mercy? it is illogical and makes no sense

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Good question. Rape is forced sexual activity...therefore forcing sex when married is rape.

Marriage does not justify rape. Nothing does, ever. Rape is rape is rape.

Absolutely 1000% true.

This is probably the best evidence of Islamic misogyny anyone will ever have.

Unfortunately, you are correct.

 

[DallasApple]

A LOT of people believe that if you are married that even if "rape isnt allowed"(legally) ..you should "do it when you dont want to".Or else you are "defrauding" the spouse and / or that you will "pay a consequence"...

It doesnt have to be "physical " overcoming someone..It can be under "threat".It still happens it happens all the time and its sick.

Love

Dallas

 

[dust1n]

This is probably the best evidence of Islamic misogyny anyone will ever have.

"By JASMIN BONIMY ~ Guardian Staff Reporter ~ [email protected]:

The Bahamas Christian Council (BCC) said yesterday that the proposed amendment to the Sexual Offences and Domestic Violence Act outlawing marital rape would be “tragically wrong” if made legal in its current form.


“Such a law is appropriate to govern sexual intercourse between two persons who are not married to each other because, unlike married people, they have no contract that implies open-ended sexual consent. Therefore, specific moment by moment consent is required by them,” said a four-page statement from the Council."


Marital rape ban ‘tragically wrong’ says the Christian Council « Bahamas Crisis Centre


This is probably the best evidence of Christian misogyny anyone will ever have.