Is Rape justified in a marriage?

[beenie]

am i the only one who thinks it's ridiculous for religion to HAVE to define rape? why does religion have to enter this topic at all?

 

[.lava]

am i the only one who thinks it's ridiculous for religion to HAVE to define rape? why does religion have to enter this topic at all?

i think there's no need for extra definition of rape. it is just sick to force people to accept it as normal under certain conditions. it reminds me of a law that's changed in 80s. once raping a prostitute was not a crime. it is disgusting. i think it comes from the same mind set. i would not call it arcaic. arcaic men could be very loving and protective. this is something else. i could not name it yet

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[DallasApple]

"By JASMIN BONIMY ~ Guardian Staff Reporter ~ [email protected]:

The Bahamas Christian Council (BCC) said yesterday that the proposed amendment to the Sexual Offences and Domestic Violence Act outlawing marital rape would be “tragically wrong” if made legal in its current form.


“Such a law is appropriate to govern sexual intercourse between two persons who are not married to each other because, unlike married people, they have no contract that implies open-ended sexual consent. Therefore, specific moment by moment consent is required by them,” said a four-page statement from the Council."


Marital rape ban ‘tragically wrong’ says the Christian Council « Bahamas Crisis Centre


This is probably the best evidence of Christian misogyny anyone will ever have.

I agree..Its legal rape..If on the day you marry you consent to 1,000's of sexual encounters that is SICK>

You can NOT give "one time " blanket consent to havign sex with someone anytime they feel like it from that point on for life..If you can? I salute you..

Love

Dallas

 

[DallasApple]

am i the only one who thinks it's ridiculous for religion to HAVE to define rape? why does religion have to enter this topic at all?

It "influences" people..

Love

Dallas

 

[YmirGF]

http://crisiscentrebahamas.wordpres...-tragically-wrong-says-the-christian-council/This is probably the best evidence of Christian misogyny anyone will ever have.

Dustin, it's not very good evidence. You did read the entire piece, right?

 

[Badran]

Its not evidence, neither is the Fatwa. Just because one person, or even some people argue something and have a sick opinion doesn't mean its an evidence against the religion.

 

[MissAlice]

am i the only one who thinks it's ridiculous for religion to HAVE to define rape? why does religion have to enter this topic at all?

Because people take their religion pretty serious. Not all people of faith would obviously agree that rape is a legal or moral right. However in certain societies and beliefs, there are people who not only believe it to be ok but also a moral and important duty.

 

[.lava]

Because people take their religion pretty serious. Not all people of faith would obviously agree that rape is a legal or moral right. However in certain societies and beliefs, there are people who not only believe it to be ok but also a moral and important duty.

you mean, women as well? if rape within marriage was OK in a society, i sincerely doubt all men in that society would use his so-called right. this basically serves ego of men and nothing more. i don't think it is weird if a woman wants to make her husband happy and it is her business to know if she choices to do what he wants. but that is not rape. it is more like a sacrifice for someone you love. i don't think this is equal rape

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[Charity]

Forcing anyone into a sexual act against their will is rape. No means "I don't want to engage in this act"....

 

[MissAlice]

you mean, women as well? if rape within marriage was OK in a society, i sincerely doubt all men in that society would use his so-called right. this basically serves ego of men and nothing more. i don't think it is weird if a woman wants to make her husband happy and it is her business to know if she choices to do what he wants. but that is not rape. it is more like a sacrifice for someone you love. i don't think this is equal rape

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I agree that if a woman is happy to please her husband or is ok with it that is her right. Obviously some women do not consider it rape. But again what about the women who do feel violated or feel abused? Do they have legal protection in a system where religion is held in high authority? In other words if rape isn't recognized as a violation within a marriage union.

 

[Levite]

Ok well before anyone says it isn't, I was arguing with some people who in their religious belief believe that there is no such thing as rape in a marriage. In other words, if a woman decides to marry she must give up some of her "rights" and please her man. One woman told me that a man has needs and the purpose of a woman is to please those needs.

I know this sounds crazy but I was asked why it's rape and why it isn't justified in my point of view. Well for one, I don't think it's fair to the woman. I was raised in a society where men and women are equal in a relationship. However I'm not married, I was wondering what anyone else's point of view is when sex is forced upon a woman who is married to her husband.

Rape is simply never justified. Marriage may mean many things, but no just marriage means that one partner unilaterally surrenders rights to the integrity of their body.

 

[.lava]

I agree that if a woman is happy to please her husband or is ok with it that is her right. Obviously some women do not consider it rape. But again what about the women who do feel violated or feel abused? Do they have legal protection in a system where religion is held in high authority? In other words if rape isn't recognized as a violation within a marriage union.

that would be a nightmare, MissAlice. knowing that your mom was raped by your father and that's how you started your own life is also another nightmare if you ask me. or knowing that your father is OK you're being raped by your husband is also a nightmare. terrible.

when you say some women do not consider it to be rape, what do you mean? you mean rape as we know it or wife ignoring herself to please her husband?

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[MissAlice]

that would be a nightmare, MissAlice. knowing that your mom was raped by your father and that's how you started your own life is also another nightmare if you ask me. or knowing that your father is OK you're being raped by your husband is also a nightmare. terrible.

when you say some women do not consider it to be rape, what do you mean? you mean rape as we know it or wife ignoring herself to please her husband?

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You'll have to bare with me, I'm not great at wording what I'm trying to say. I guess both could be considered but the latter wouldn't have much of a strong case. If a woman feels miserable from having to perform her duty for religious reasons imo is a miserable woman indeed. That's not to say all women may feel that way. But if rape isn't considered in her vocabulary, she's only doing what society has taught her. In other words it isn't up to her to decide where her rights are in a marriage.

 

[DallasApple]

((HUGS)))

Love

Dallas

 

[.lava]

You'll have to bare with me, I'm not great at wording what I'm trying to say.

haha no problem at all..

I guess both could be considered but the latter wouldn't have much of a strong case. If a woman feels miserable from having to perform her duty for religious reasons imo is a miserable woman indeed.

if that would be the case, then it does not matter if reason was religious or not, i think.

That's not to say all women may feel that way. But if rape isn't considered in her vocabulary, she's only doing what society has taught her. In other words it isn't up to her to decide where her rights are in a marriage.

i believe i understand what you're saying. it is never up to her to decide that. IMO it should be decided by both of them, husband and wife. when it is decided by just one of them then that marriage is a unhappy marriage. well, anyways. i get your point. i think many women suffer from this problem. because men are physically dominant. i don't think it is directly related to religion. but bigotry of religious would serve men better for sure

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[dust1n]

Dustin, it's not very good evidence. You did read the entire piece, right?

Hell no! And I refuse to do so! I only needed to clippeth the applicable part.

 

[Nadia Faiazova]

Hi all. The Bible counsels both husband and wife not to “be depriving each other of [sex].” God’s Word makes no allowance for using sex as a means of punishing one’s mate or expressing resentment, as in a wife’s denying it to her husband for weeks or even months. Just as he is to “render to his wife her due,” she is also to “do likewise to her husband.” (1 Corinthians 7:3-5) This does not mean that a wife should be expected to submit to some abnormal act that she finds morally repugnant, and a husband who loves and respects his wife would not require her to do so. “Love ... does not behave indecently.” (1 Corinthians 13:4, 5) So, Bible makes is clear that rape in a marriage is a detestable thing to Jehovah God, the Creator of marriage. God's Word states God's interest in the family arrangement: “Male and female he created them. Further, God blessed them and God said to them: ‘Be fruitful and become many and fill the earth"- Genesis 1:27, 28

 

[IAMDONE]

I heard some Christian dude on TV talking about how the bible says something like married couples must do each other unless they both disagree.
He put emphasis on the fact that men need sex or we will die, he explained in greater detail of how men going without sex is like dieing of thirst, of how we are Neurochemically created to need to get it on.
So, I guess you could call it rape if one doesn't agree but the other wants or needs it.
Dictionary.com says rape is an act of sexual interrcourse that is forced upon a person which to me is exactly what the dude was talking about.
Rape is okay with god.........

 

[Kathryn]

No one is going to die if they don't have sex. That's ridiculous.

And of course any sexual act that is forced on another person is abusive, assault, and/or rape.

That being said, partners in a long term relationship need to keep in mind that even in the best relationships, sometimes sex is a bit of a sacrifice. I mean, sometimes people are tired, stressed, worried or simply not "in the mood." But I think it's best most of the time even in those circumstances to at least make the effort if your partner desires you.

Because that's what it boils down to - your partner, your love, DESIRES you. What a compliment!

Sometimes I'm tired or just plain sleepy, and not particularly in the mood when my husband is. But I've found that once we get started, I'm EVER so glad I decided to play along!

I guess I could get huffy and feel put upon when he knows I'm not particularly in the mood but he makes his move anyway. I guess I could focus on how "selfish" he is being. Or I can keep in mind that in spite of my harried mood, or my faded out t shirt and wild *** hair, or my middle aged body, he still wants me. Wow - that's great.

But of course, my husband would never - NEVER - force me to have sex, or try to make me feel guilty for not jumping his bones. If so - well, honestly, I don't think we'd be married for long. I ain't puttin' up wid dat ****.

 

[DallasApple]

No one is going to die if they don't have sex. That's ridiculous.

And of course any sexual act that is forced on another person is abusive, assault, and/or rape.

That being said, partners in a long term relationship need to keep in mind that even in the best relationships, sometimes sex is a bit of a sacrifice. I mean, sometimes people are tired, stressed, worried or simply not "in the mood." But I think it's best most of the time even in those circumstances to at least make the effort if your partner desires you.

Because that's what it boils down to - your partner, your love, DESIRES you. What a compliment!

Sometimes I'm tired or just plain sleepy, and not particularly in the mood when my husband is. But I've found that once we get started, I'm EVER so glad I decided to play along!

I guess I could get huffy and feel put upon when he knows I'm not particularly in the mood but he makes his move anyway. I guess I could focus on how "selfish" he is being. Or I can keep in mind that in spite of my harried mood, or my faded out t shirt and wild *** hair, or my middle aged body, he still wants me. Wow - that's great.

But of course, my husband would never - NEVER - force me to have sex, or try to make me feel guilty for not jumping his bones. If so - well, honestly, I don't think we'd be married for long. I ain't puttin' up wid dat ****.

I guess I dont feel "lucky" that my husband wants to have sex with me with wild hair.UM just NOT a compliment..You are talking ALL the physical..If thats what is is I.E he "still wants to screw me even though I look like crap Im LUCKY...NO thanks..

Never mind..Im never going to feel "lucky" someone wants to hump me..EVER//Especial;;y if its "regardless of how crappy I look"Like Im getting a favor..

No thanks Im fine..