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Is religion making us all stupid ?

LegionOnomaMoi

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Yes there is a lot of evidence that religion is certainly making us stupid, just look at the world today, what the......is happening, we all seem to be going backwards, so yes, what do you think, are we getting more stupid, I believe we are.
Humans have existed in our current "form" for tens of thousands of years. For the bulk of that time, little changed. After the advent of agriculture some ~10 thousand years ago, things speeded up, but progress was still slow and the emergence of "science" or the sciences barely touched upon by any culture or civilization. The necessary conditions for the emergence of the scientific endeavor occurred as a result of Christian religious dogma and doctrine (which borrowed/stole liberally from other cultures, especially Greek). Newtonian physics was based upon a theological assumption. Lagrangian mechanics, both in its classical form and as the foundation upon which the whole of quantum/particle physics was/is built, owes its existence to theological beliefs about the perfection of God. The greatest intellectuals in history as well as the founders of the vast majority of intellectual progress have not only been religious, but achieved what they did because of their religious beliefs.
Meanwhile, a doctrine-like belief that religion is harmful and/or in atheism underlay the sociopolitical conditions in the 20th century that made possible the worst mass slaughter and inhumanity in history.
Monotheism gave us witch trials, crusades, slaughter, intellectual sterility, etc. It also bequeathed to us modern physics, Western intellectual tradition, the university system, etc., while atheism as a fundamental component of a worldview was instrumental in the greatest slaughters and travesties in history.
In the end, it turns out that neither the existence of religion nor its lack causes or impedes stupidity. We are just generally stupid. Doctrine happens to be fundamental to the emergence of any intellectual tradition as well as the emergence of any sort of scientific enterprise. It also happens to be instrumental to many an exercise in futility and cruelty.
 

psychoslice

Veteran Member
It is also known that many other things are dumbing us up, such as mobile phones, even the enternet
Humans have existed in our current "form" for tens of thousands of years. For the bulk of that time, little changed. After the advent of agriculture some ~10 thousand years ago, things speeded up, but progress was still slow and the emergence of "science" or the sciences barely touched upon by any culture or civilization. The necessary conditions for the emergence of the scientific endeavor occurred as a result of Christian religious dogma and doctrine (which borrowed/stole liberally from other cultures, especially Greek). Newtonian physics was based upon a theological assumption. Lagrangian mechanics, both in its classical form and as the foundation upon which the whole of quantum/particle physics was/is built, owes its existence to theological beliefs about the perfection of God. The greatest intellectuals in history as well as the founders of the vast majority of intellectual progress have not only been religious, but achieved what they did because of their religious beliefs.
Meanwhile, a doctrine-like belief that religion is harmful and/or in atheism underlay the sociopolitical conditions in the 20th century that made possible the worst mass slaughter and inhumanity in history.
Monotheism gave us witch trials, crusades, slaughter, intellectual sterility, etc. It also bequeathed to us modern physics, Western intellectual tradition, the university system, etc., while atheism as a fundamental component of a worldview was instrumental in the greatest slaughters and travesties in history.
In the end, it turns out that neither the existence of religion nor its lack causes or impedes stupidity. We are just generally stupid. Doctrine happens to be fundamental to the emergence of any intellectual tradition as well as the emergence of any sort of scientific enterprise. It also happens to be instrumental to many an exercise in futility and cruelty.
So you say, but I cannot fully agree with you, it was the scientific thinking that help bring us out of the so called dark-ages, that's a fact. no matter what you believe.
 

JakofHearts

2 Tim 1.7
So you say, but I cannot fully agree with you, it was the scientific thinking that help bring us out of the so called dark-ages, that's a fact. no matter what you believe.
Actually it was Christianity that brought Western Civilization out of the dark-ages, and intellectual, political, and cultural enterprises flourished as a result. Christianity had always encouraged the West to rationalize reality, that the world is rational, that our minds are capable of knowing the world, that there is such a thing as truth. The Christian religion says that God made our minds and the world so that we could know the world in an objective way, and that generated scientific growth.

This is a fact that you seemingly have to come to terms with.
 
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loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
It seems that humanity is going backward spiritually.

Materialism has brought a lot of us into the modern age but we have sacrificed our spirituality in exchange. If one looks at the animals they live in relative peace and do not have world wars or commit atrocities yet our behavior is lower than the animals.

In order for us to honestly call ourselves humans we need to reclaim our forsaken spirituality.
 

omega2xx

Well-Known Member
Ha, I don't believe that, well not if you mean the god in the sky.

I have not ask you to believe it.

It's very convenient to have your own religion. Can't go wrong with "once upon a time...and they lived happily ever after."

There is a way that seems right to a man(or a woman) but its end is the way of death--Psa 14:12
 

rusra02

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Who is the true religion ?.
I believe it is worship of the true God in the way approved by him. Jesus Christ said to a Samaritan woman; "Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshippers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for indeed, the Father is looking for ones like these to worship him. God is a Spirit, and those worshipping him must worship with spirit and truth.” (John 4:23,24) Only the Father, Jehovah, has established by the evidence of history and prophecy that he is the true God, IMO.
 

psychoslice

Veteran Member
Actually it was Christianity that brought Western Civilization out of the dark-ages, and intellectual, political, and cultural enterprises flourished as a result. Christianity had always encouraged the West to rationalize reality, that the world is rational, that our minds are capable of knowing the world, that there is such a thing as truth. The Christian religion says that God made our minds and the world so that we could know the world in an objective way, and that generated scientific growth.

This is a fact that you seemingly have to come to terms with.
believe what you want to believe.
 

psychoslice

Veteran Member
I have not ask you to believe it.

It's very convenient to have your own religion. Can't go wrong with "once upon a time...and they lived happily ever after."

There is a way that seems right to a man(or a woman) but its end is the way of death--Psa 14:12
Please don't use scripture as your weapon, it just won't work with me, I don't believe in or have any scripture, I don't need them, my scripture is written within.
 

psychoslice

Veteran Member
I believe it is worship of the true God in the way approved by him. Jesus Christ said to a Samaritan woman; "Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshippers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for indeed, the Father is looking for ones like these to worship him. God is a Spirit, and those worshipping him must worship with spirit and truth.” (John 4:23,24) Only the Father, Jehovah, has established by the evidence of history and prophecy that he is the true God, IMO.
So the true religion is yours, of course it must be.
 

omega2xx

Well-Known Member
Please don't use scripture as your weapon, it just won't work with me, I don't believe in or have any scripture, I don't need them, my scripture is written within.

Please don't tell me how to post. If Scripture offends you put me on ignore. Are you omniscient so you have assurance your scripture is valid.
 

Dawnofhope

Non-Proselytizing Baha'i
Staff member
Premium Member
I believe it is worship of the true God in the way approved by him.

I think there is much confusion and misunderstanding when it comes to religion and God. I came from a Christian background but became discouraged and disheartened by Christians claiming their religioin to be the One True Religion. In the spirit of the words of Jesus "The truth shall set you free" and "Seek and Ye shall find" I sought the Truth! That search led me to the Baha'i Faith and writings that for me bring clarity and understanding to the topic we are now discussing.

Here is an example:
"The All-Knowing Physician hath His finger on the pulse of mankind. He perceiveth the disease, and prescribeth, in His unerring wisdom, the remedy. Every age hath its own problem, and every soul its particular aspiration. The remedy the world needeth in its present-day afflictions can never be the same as that which a subsequent age may require. Be anxiously concerned with the needs of the age ye live in, and center your deliberations on its exigencies and requirements." Baha'u'llah

Peace and best wishes as we approach the celebration of the birth of the Jewish Messiah.
 

JakofHearts

2 Tim 1.7
Islam had a major role to play as well...

Islamic influence on medieval Europe - Wikipedia
I'm just gonna echo what I have already pointed out before:

I kind of put the Islamic "golden age" into the category of the 'Age of the Barbarians'. After the fall of Rome, Europe was in a weaken state of internal strife, and the Muslims merely took advantage of it as did other barbarians, (i.e. the Vikings, Franks, Visigoths, etc). With historians like Voltaire (a known critic towards the Catholic Church), were always quick to point out the contrasts between a weakened Western Civilization and Islam which was basically where this 'Islamic golden age' narrative came from.

During this time 750-1260AD, the rise of Islam was due to constant battles and war with Europe and the now extinct Sassanid Empire. Historically, Muslims dominated 1/3 of the Mediterranean and put it's conquered cultures under heavy submission or death; and culminated a monopoly in slavery, a not largely known fact that Muslims captured over a million European Christians and brought them into the slave quarters of Islam. And slavery of children still openly exists in some Muslims countries today.

The reason why Islam had a "golden age" was because they conquered a lot of territory and would bring intellectuals from all different cultures together. There were some good things that happened when these different cultures were brought together, by force as it were, in Iraq. One of the things that came out of the golden age was the philosophy that there is no cause-and-effect, and that there are no natural laws. Pretty pseudo-scientific thinking considering science is based on the search for natural laws and is based upon cause-and-effect.

Another aspect of what was supposed to be so good about this Islamic golden age was they preserved all the Greek and Roman material. They did not preserve it at all! They only preserved certain parts of it which was useful for them. They didn't save any of the literature or the art. And as a matter of fact, they destroyed 90% of what they found. Why is that saving 10% of the intellectual treasure of the classical period called a golden age? What are we to call the Greek and Romans who preserved 100% of it?

When one critically looks at the history of Islam you quickly see a pattern of another conquest epic, which revisions of history deem as the same as a golden age.
 

David1967

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Yes there is a lot of evidence that religion is certainly making us stupid, just look at the world today, what the......is happening, we all seem to be going backwards, so yes, what do you think, are we getting more stupid, I believe we are.

I don't believe that religion in and of itself is making us "stupid". However many do make stupid and irrational and as we see too often these days , deadly decisions in the name of their religion.
 

omega2xx

Well-Known Member
I don't need to argue my truth, where as you have to throw it at anyone who doesn't agree with you.

I don't have to. That is the way I post. If you don't like it you have a solution. At least I have something outside of myself to reinforce what I believe.
 
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