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Is Russia had right to afraid from West agenda? ?

Nimos

Well-Known Member
I think things have gone the way as Putin thought. US, West and NATO have not dared to intervene. Sending armaments will act against Ukraine. It will make the war more bitter, costing the lives of more men. Russia will use its armaments to the fullest extent, even probably bombing the civilian areas, till it gets what it wants - a different government in Ukraine.
I think this is far more than just "showing" off to NATO. Putin knows that NATO is not a threat to him, in the sense that we would attack him. He would be able to see it from miles (years) away if that were the case, so its not about that.

I would suggest watching the video that @Link posted here, I think this guy is probably correct:

A good video on Russia and why they had to do it
 

Nimos

Well-Known Member
Nobody hopefully is crazy enough to find that out
Well I think we will soon find out, just read that they are going to give 70 fighter jets to Ukraine, this is probably starting to get as close to what will be considered acceptable I could imagine.

Also read that the Ukrainian embassy in Denmark and probably other countries as well, will allow Danish citizens to join the fight. There is no doubt that Putin is being pushed to the limits I think.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
The same Gaddafi who would go to schools so he could pick out his next group of young girls to abuse?

If you believe all the rumors about Gaddafi...I have the right to believe all the rumors about Hillary Clinton (pedophilia and Satanism).


Personally, I do not believe in rumors. In any rumor.
 

John53

I go leaps and bounds
Premium Member
If you believe all the rumors about Gaddafi...I have the right to believe all the rumors about Hillary Clinton (pedophilia and Satanism).


Personally, I do not believe in rumors. In any rumor.

I watched a documentary in which several victims were interviewed as well as former members of his personal staff. I believed they were being honest. Seems like a lot of trouble to go to for a dead man. I have no idea what Clinton has to do with it, sounds like a strawman to me.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
I watched a documentary in which several victims were interviewed as well as former members of his personal staff. I believed they were being honest. Seems like a lot of trouble to go to for a dead man. I have no idea what Clinton has to do with it, sounds like a strawman to me.

Because in law there is the principle Lex eadem omnibus.
The law is equal for all.
So I will not believe something not confirmed by a court of law where human rights are respected.
 

stvdv

Veteran Member
Well I think we will soon find out, just read that they are going to give 70 fighter jets to Ukraine, this is probably starting to get as close to what will be considered acceptable I could imagine.
There use to be, what was called, a conspiracy, that the rich elite planned a nuclear war fought above Europe, as to get rid of Europe

If they do this and Putin keeps his words then this might be my last msg on RF
 

Nimos

Well-Known Member
There use to be, what was called, a conspiracy, that the rich elite planned a nuclear war fought above Europe, as to get rid of Europe

If they do this and Putin keeps his words then this might be my last msg on RF
Its a real possibility to be honest, because if they find that he has committed war crimes then that doesn't look good and obviously he is not going to respect a court, so most likely the west would keep pressure on him. My point being that he doesn't really have a lot of outs here, that it might potentially make him think screw you all and follow up on his words. But hopefully not, because it would be the end of the world in that case :)
 

stvdv

Veteran Member
Its a real possibility to be honest, because if they find that he has committed war crimes then that doesn't look good and obviously he is not going to respect a court, so most likely the west would keep pressure on him. My point being that he doesn't really have a lot of outs here, that it might potentially make him think screw you all and follow up on his words. But hopefully not, because it would be the end of the world in that case :)
Putin did indeed promise that he would not nuke Europe alone, US gets a few nukes too.

And Putin even said on video, that it's not what he wishes for, because he knows that if he starts nuclear all will be losers, Russia too

So, indeed all humanity might die soon. The earth will be the winner, because this will take care of "humans destroying nature", though a bit drastic

Another conspiracy was, that they plan to decimate the world population, that one might come through, a few countries might survive if this happens. Although, USA+Europe+Russia only is roughly 1 billion people
 

Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
Hasn't Assad been protected by Russia?,ever heard of proxy wars?,yes Nato have given support against oppressive regimes.

Just to correct sentence to reality meaning. It's depends benefits and oil. NATO acts. Not about humanity matters.
NATO is against any regime not allie to it. Must surrender to NATO, to avoid be invasion. Same as Russia do to Ukraine now.

Many oppresive regimes such Israel and Saudi Arabia protected by West.
 

Mock Turtle

Trump: The USA Brexit!
Premium Member
Putin did indeed promise that he would not nuke Europe alone, US gets a few nukes too.

And Putin even said on video, that it's not what he wishes for, because he knows that if he starts nuclear all will be losers, Russia too

So, indeed all humanity might die soon. The earth will be the winner, because this will take care of "humans destroying nature", though a bit drastic

Another conspiracy was, that they plan to decimate the world population, that one might come through, a few countries might survive if this happens. Although, USA+Europe+Russia only is roughly 1 billion people
Only a madman would threaten the world population because their own country was threatened in any way - as to damage or boundary issues or as to leadership change. So, is Putin that madman?
 

Mock Turtle

Trump: The USA Brexit!
Premium Member
We will know soon if it was just bluff
But starting war was no bluff
And such was predicted - as you might have noticed - even though Putin continued to lie. So, do you think Putin always tells the truth. :rolleyes:
 

stvdv

Veteran Member
And such was predicted - as you might have noticed - even though Putin continued to lie. So, do you think Putin always tells the truth. :rolleyes:
Definitely not (but that applies to probably all humans)

But in this case I would not be surprised
 
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England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
Because in law there is the principle Lex eadem omnibus.
The law is equal for all.
So I will not believe something not confirmed by a court of law where human rights are respected.

I think it's very well known that he was a paedophile,he had sex slaves boy"s and girls,he committed war crimes too and crimes against humanity,Russia also supported him,Gadaffi and Assad supported by another tyrant Putin
 

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
Just to correct sentence to reality meaning. It's depends benefits and oil. NATO acts. Not about humanity matters.
NATO is against any regime not allie to it. Must surrender to NATO, to avoid be invasion. Same as Russia do to Ukraine now.

Many oppresive regimes such Israel and Saudi Arabia protected by West.

Although i dislike a lot the idea of protecting Saudi Arabia it would be a far worse scenario if they weren't protected,what would it be like if Iran and Hezbollah were free to do what they want?.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Only a madman would threaten the world population because their own country was threatened in any way - as to damage or boundary issues or as to leadership change. So, is Putin that madman?

That was US policy during much of the Cold War. I recall when leaders of the nuclear powers each pledged to never be the one to use nuclear weapons first - except the U.S. Our policy was that, if the Soviets launched an attack on Western Europe, even if it was just using conventional weapons, we would respond with nukes.

So, it's a question of who would be madder: The one who uses nukes or the one who pushes the other into a corner giving them no choice?
 
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