Is Satan Ruling the World?

[Yadon]

Maybe it's that Santa/Satan hat that is so confusing?

Your meaning isn't very clear. My statements were to illustrate that if harming others is Satan, then Satan is inevitable if we want to survive.

 

[AllanV]

So if one attacks me but I defend myself, is my defence also a manifestation of Satan? Can I ever truly avoid harming other people even when my intentions are the best and I try not to? What might help some people might hurt others.

It is difficult. If a person is harmless some one will try to damage them even resorting to physical violence. Babies and the elderly are vulnerable.

The defense in that situation you write about is a manifestation of Satan's ruler-ship.

The idea is to escape and enter the kingdom of God

The indwelling of God in the perfect nature is more gentle that can be imagined or contemplated. There is no fear. It occurs and proceeds supernaturally.

After an initiation and a process a transformation and renewal of the mind can take place. There would be a sense of a different energy coming from the individual. The mind is totally protected from those who use their mental power to damage by stirring up reactions. Nothing can be found in the new nature to react to. There is every possibility that violence could be resorted to though.It is best to keep away from those who will not receive because they are altogether lost.

The problem is the Christian Church is plagued with deception about this topic.

 

[Yadon]

It is difficult. If a person is harmless some one will try to damage them even resorting to physical violence. Babies and the elderly are vulnerable.

The defense in that situation you write about is a manifestation of Satan's ruler-ship.

The idea is to escape and enter the kingdom of God

The indwelling of God in the perfect nature is more gentle that can be imagined or contemplated. There is no fear. It occurs and proceeds supernaturally.

After an initiation and a process a transformation and renewal of the mind can take place. There would be a sense of a different energy coming from the individual. The mind is totally protected from those who use their mental power to damage by stirring up reactions. Nothing can be found in the new nature to react to. There is every possibility that violence could be resorted to though.It is best to keep away from those who will not receive because they are altogether lost.

The problem is the Christian Church is plagued with deception about this topic.

And how does one become initiated and transform?

 

[AllanV]

And how does one become initiated and transform?

The new testament holds the key although my experience was spontaneous. There was no search or spiritual quest. I had never been interested in religion or read the Bible. It occurred in a quiet time in a rural environment as a 26 year old.
There was an attempt to go down the Christian Church path after wards but this produced all sorts of problems. And still does.

Being initiated requires a statement and belief that the gospel (the good news) about the immortal Jesus Christ, the kingdom of God and being able to escape Satan's kingdom is true or could be true. A person is completely immersed in water to signify the remission of sins. (holding back the penalty, the wages of sin is death) It is a sign between the person and God only not entry into a particular religion.

Someone who is already empowered then lays their hands upon the head of the recipient and all going well there will be enough power to know that it is true. The mind will be opened up.

 

[s2a]

Your meaning isn't very clear. My statements were to illustrate that if harming others is Satan, then Satan is inevitable if we want to survive.

Forgive my lacking clarity, and my poor effort in employing a skeptical eye or intended light humor as reply.

I am not an adherent of any discreet, indistinct, or even widespread and widely accepted mythology...especially those that may depend upon metaphors of either Satan or Santa as instruments of reward/punishment as directed by a "greater authority", nor even/especially the idea of (a) "Satan", Hisself.

People were dispassionate jerks (or worse) long before the mythos of "Satan" or "Santa" were introduced as deterrents to what we consider today as "bad" behaviors and actions.

My bad. Satan buys the next round.

 

[Skorzeny]

One would hope so.

 

[Yadon]

The new testament holds the key although my experience was spontaneous. There was no search or spiritual quest. I had never been interested in religion or read the Bible. It occurred in a quiet time in a rural environment as a 26 year old.
There was an attempt to go down the Christian Church path after wards but this produced all sorts of problems. And still does.

Being initiated requires a statement and belief that the gospel (the good news) about the immortal Jesus Christ, the kingdom of God and being able to escape Satan's kingdom is true or could be true. A person is completely immersed in water to signify the remission of sins. (holding back the penalty, the wages of sin is death) It is a sign between the person and God only not entry into a particular religion.

Someone who is already empowered then lays their hands upon the head of the recipient and all going well there will be enough power to know that it is true. The mind will be opened up.

And what other trappings, theology, or beliefs about social issues of Christianity have you redressed for us?

I hardly see Satan in itself as a bad thing, just when it's used badly. The same things that cause is to do bad can also cause us to do good. I see Satan as inherently holy; a dark facet of a diverse reality.

 

[AllanV]

And what other trappings, theology, or beliefs about social issues of Christianity have you redressed for us?

I hardly see Satan in itself as a bad thing, just when it's used badly. The same things that cause is to do bad can also cause us to do good. I see Satan as inherently holy; a dark facet of a diverse reality.

Satan does not see himself as bad because he has taken God's place in the mind and sees himself as superior to God.

 

[Sleeppy]

You cannot state "fact" when the only fact is that this is a concept that evolved in mythology and changed with time.

It is a concept that evolved over time, but it is a representation of reality, by people within reality, like any other thought, or word. This is too simple to overlook.

You've been trained to overlook it.

 

[NobodyYouKnow]

One would hope so.

I find myself laughing uproriously. *frubal

 

[Yadon]

Satan does not see himself as bad because he has taken God's place in the mind and sees himself as superior to God.

And what if Satan as you describe it a facet of God?

Isaiah 45:7 would say that he is.

Actually, Satan is just a term to any angel dispatched by Yahweh to test his followers. Sometimes it meant a human opponent or accuser, or it could have a connotation to mean the urge to do evil. But never was Satan one thing or "the devil" in it's origins. That idea finds itself rooted in 2nd Temple Era pseudoeprigrapha and 1st-3rd century Christianity, not the Hebrew origins from which "Satan" came.

 

[Sha'irullah]

Lets condensed the definition of devil to politician, that seems more fitting

 

[rusra02]

And what if Satan as you describe it a facet of God?

Isaiah 45:7 would say that he is.

Actually, Satan is just a term to any angel dispatched by Yahweh to test his followers. Sometimes it meant a human opponent or accuser, or it could have a connotation to mean the urge to do evil. But never was Satan one thing or "the devil" in it's origins. That idea finds itself rooted in 2nd Temple Era pseudoeprigrapha and 1st-3rd century Christianity, not the Hebrew origins from which "Satan" came.

Job 34:10 says:"It is unthinkable for the true God to act wickedly, For the Almighty to do wrong!" Satan, in contrast, is wicked. (John 8:44) the Bible exposes Satan as a rebel spirit who opposes God, and foretells his coming destruction. I think it serves Satan's purpose very well for people to not even know of his existence or, failing that, to have wrong, distorted views of who he really is.

 

[EtuMalku]

Satan is a Jewish creation that made it into the Christian bible, ha-satan means the adversary and that is what the post Judaic, Christian Satan became . . . Man's adversary and the scapegoat for god. Ha satan was used by the early Essenes to describe anyone not an Essene, much like the later gentile is used, so if you weren't with us, you were against us. Satan is the personification of this idea and represents all that opposses the Christian religion, hence why Satan is dressed up in pagan costume.

Wisdom through Adversity!

 

[astroclaudia]

um, well everything is run by publicity. An publicity needs money. So does that mean that Money is Evil? idk

 

[Awoon]

Satan is the whispering thoughts in Human minds.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Luke 4:5,6 says:"he [the Devil] brought him [Jesus] up and showed him all the kingdoms of the inhabited earth in an instant of time. Then the Devil said to him: “I will give you all this authority and their glory, because it has been handed over to me, and I give it to whomever I wish." This seems to show the Devil controls the governments. Do you think the Devil controls the world? Why or why not?

Rusra, there is a strong similarity to this event and the one in which Jacob wrestles all night with an angel. The angel struggles to overcome Jacob, just as this being struggles to overcome Jesus. There are many similarities between the two events when you sit down and start to enumerate them. Jacob's struggle is found in Genesis chapter 32.

And he said: 'Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel; for thou hast striven with God and with men, and hast prevailed.'

 

[nazz]

Luke 4:5,6 says:"he [the Devil] brought him [Jesus] up and showed him all the kingdoms of the inhabited earth in an instant of time. Then the Devil said to him: “I will give you all this authority and their glory, because it has been handed over to me, and I give it to whomever I wish." This seems to show the Devil controls the governments. Do you think the Devil controls the world? Why or why not?

Yes, in a Gnostic way. Government is the physical expression of the archontic realm.

 

[rusra02]

Rusra, there is a strong similarity to this event and the one in which Jacob wrestles all night with an angel. The angel struggles to overcome Jacob, just as this being struggles to overcome Jesus. There are many similarities between the two events when you sit down and start to enumerate them. Jacob's struggle is found in Genesis chapter 32.

In Jacob's case, he wanted the angel, God's representative,to bless him. And the angel did, after Jacob's determined struggle. Satan, however, wanted to induce Jesus to commit an act of false worship, that would have violated God's law. I believe the temptation would have not existed, if Satan really did not have the nations under his control. Jesus rejected the offer, but did not deny Satan's claim of world domination.

 

[Jeremy Mason]

Matthew 28:16-17 (NIV)

16 Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17 When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me..."