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Is Satan Ruling the World?

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AllanV

Active Member
s2a said:
People were dispassionate jerks (or worse) long before the mythos of "Satan" or "Santa" were introduced as deterrents to what we consider today as "bad" behaviors and actions.
My bad. Satan buys the next round.
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It became interesting to me that when there was an attempt to understand the Bible that it was actually describing the inner workings of the mind. The Bible put names to things that were apparent from observation in real life. It is all a matter of different language. Everyone is blinded to the truth because the answer is so close and it is in the mind.
Something happened to ordinary working people that took them into another dimension of explanation. And this has always been attacked. But look at the people who do the attacking, would they ever be easy to get on with?

People are in a will contest of different beliefs. Sorcery and witch craft are not acknowledged by some as having any power. I have heard some say if you do not believe in something it will not work on you. But there are some who are able to find a way in at a deep level. Just look at how misinformation works, politics, religion, military force, all driven by ideology to change peoples perceptions.

But everyone is prone to either upsetting or being upset and this brings conflict. The will is used to place some power behind a thought and belief as it is spoken out. Some people have more power than others and they can get passed any defense. Words or even a look can do something within another person.

If a person is able to escape this type of mind and be transformed by having the mind renewed there is a possibility of immortality.
 
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AllanV

Active Member
Yadon said:
And what if Satan as you describe it a facet of God?

Isaiah 45:7 would say that he is.

Actually, Satan is just a term to any angel dispatched by Yahweh to test his followers. Sometimes it meant a human opponent or accuser, or it could have a connotation to mean the urge to do evil. But never was Satan one thing or "the devil" in it's origins. That idea finds itself rooted in 2nd Temple Era pseudoeprigrapha and 1st-3rd century Christianity, not the Hebrew origins from which "Satan" came.
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From memory Satan (Lucifer) was created by God but He rebelled. But more importantly how does this work in life as it is. Rebellion is as witchcraft meaning all human kind have enough power of mind to influence by bonding and even upset another person by their mind. This gives rise to feelings in their being with reactions. Satan is personified in this realm of the mind.

All this happens regardless of what it is called. It interested me enough to understand what the Bible is actually about and it is not about the religions that have developed using the Books as a reference or more. There seems to be a hidden message but it is obvious if the thread is taken from the entire message of the Books.

Immortality is possible but it was hidden from the beginning. It is hidden from the mind that is bonded in rebellious mental interaction and excursions into other peoples minds. One person, Jesus a carpenter broke the barrier in the mind and set the pattern of a renewed immortal mind that others can now find if they are willing.
 
outhouse

outhouse

Atheistically
AllanV said:
Jesus a carpenter
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He was not even a carpenter.

The word Tekton in Galilee translates to a displaced renter who worked with his hands doing odd jobs, living a life below that of the common peasant. [John Crossan, Johnathon Reed, lawrence Shiffman]


There was very little wood in Nazareth and many parables suggest a stone worker over that of wood.
 
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AllanV

Active Member
outhouse said:
Utter nonsense.

Factually impossible.
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Why would science be interested in aging and prolonging life and the understanding of why the cell dies off.

There is a dimensional aspect to this whole line of reasoning. The natural mind is bound up in the biological form and the material earth and would never see beyond it. This is more powerful that just imagining something.
You hold an honest viewpoint and it is probably one that would have been held by me although I do not usually discount too much completely. I started work as a 15 year old and have a mechanical engineering work background, mostly self employed. The work is very intense and electronics is required as well.

This whole experience threw me when it occurred. I had good confidence good self dependent skills and my own rural property with no debt, a wife and 6mth old son. This mind opening experience profoundly changed my thinking in just a few seconds. Seeing is believing but my belief was changed at 26 years of age.
 
outhouse

outhouse

Atheistically
AllanV said:
Why would science be interested in aging and prolonging life and the understanding of why the cell dies off.

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Because that is what science does.


Are you under some kind of thought medical science thinks differently?
 
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AllanV

Active Member
outhouse said:
He was not even a carpenter.

The word Tekton in Galilee translates to a displaced renter who worked with his hands doing odd jobs, living a life below that of the common peasant. [John Crossan, Johnathon Reed, lawrence Shiffman]


There was very little wood in Nazareth and many parables suggest a stone worker over that of wood.
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What does a carpenter do? floor, walls and roof. Most carpenters are more like laborers.
With the influx of cheap imported clothes from you know where and the lack of jobs and the gap between the rich and poor there is a feeling that the masses have become less than peasants.
 
Brickjectivity

Brickjectivity

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
rusra2 said:
In Jacob's case, he wanted the angel, God's representative,to bless him. And the angel did, after Jacob's determined struggle. Satan, however, wanted to induce Jesus to commit an act of false worship, that would have violated God's law. I believe the temptation would have not existed, if Satan really did not have the nations under his control. Jesus rejected the offer, but did not deny Satan's claim of world domination.
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If satan were a supreme evil being, then that interpretation would make sense. I'm just going to answer like that is correct though really I disagree. He or it takes Jesus to the 'High place', probably the seat of power or sort of throne somewhere -- whatever it was it was somehow a representation of all the kingdoms of the world. Either that or some very, very high mountain where he could see very far. The temptation would have been immediate rule where Jesus could do a lot of good. Jesus could have had lots of power, could have stayed immortal and healed people every day. Instead of facing the cross and waiting for thousands of years while atrocities progressed upon the Earth, he could have stopped them all and ended suffering -- just as would be expected of a messiah. Jesus refused to seize power realizing that it would only lead to idolatry, even if he were the king; so there are two sides to the idolatry. Not only would Jesus be 'Bowing to Satan' but people would be bowing to a man, which is also idolatry. Of course when we talk about bowing and worship there is a lot more to it. You don't worship every time you bow, and bowing is merely the symbol of the worship expressed in your lifestyle.
 
rusra02

rusra02

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
outhouse said:
He was not even a carpenter.

The word Tekton in Galilee translates to a displaced renter who worked with his hands doing odd jobs, living a life below that of the common peasant. [John Crossan, Johnathon Reed, lawrence Shiffman]


There was very little wood in Nazareth and many parables suggest a stone worker over that of wood.
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Your entire post is unfounded nonsense.
 
rusra02

rusra02

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Mestemia said:
The best way to refute the claim that Jesus was not a carpenter is show from the Bible that he was a carpenter.

Can you do it or is your claim unfounded?
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Anyone with a concordance can show from the Bible that Jesus was a carpenter. Can you show he was not a carpenter?
 
McBell

McBell

Unbound
rusra02 said:
Anyone with a concordance can show from the Bible that Jesus was a carpenter. Can you show he was not a carpenter?
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You make yet another empty claim in support of your claim of unfounded nonsense.

Can you support your claim or not?

Thus far it is "not"...

Instead of playing these games, why not simply show me up by presenting from your concordance that which shows Jesus was a carpenter?
 
McBell

McBell

Unbound
Mestemia said:
You make yet another empty claim in support of your claim of unfounded nonsense.

Can you support your claim or not?

Thus far it is "not"...

Instead of playing these games, why not simply show me up by presenting from your concordance that which shows Jesus was a carpenter?
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Perhaps you cannot use a condordance to suport your claim because you do not have a concordance?

Here is one:
 
Thana

Thana

Lady
Mark 6:3- Isn’t this the carpenter? Isn’t this Mary’s son and the brother of James, Joseph,[a] Judas and Simon?

I like to be helpful :D
 
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