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Is Science Better Than Religion?

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
One does not need an adjective to describe reality. Reality describes itself properly without any further description.

One's perception of reality can never be relied on. That's why in science, as you know and from our previous discussions, we have tools that measure reality indiscriminately. Tools to measure mass, speed, lengths, direction, volume, time... Then we clearly define the potential errors in each tool with a range of precision. Science is clear on this. Religion is not. When two different entities at different locations and times measure their realities with these tools, the science will suggest that it will follow very strict one-to-one correlations otherwise known as laws and theories. There are cases of probabilities as defined in Quantum Mechanics, but over and over, each subsequent tests produce the same known results.

This precision is absolutely needed in today's technologies from computers to vehicles to architecture.

Back to the OP...
Suggest a specific goal and one can better answer if science or religion is better.

* Is it to measure the carbon dioxide amount in our atmosphere? -> Science
* Develop a smaller die process for next generation computing devices that generates less heat and consume less energy? -> Science
* Develop transportation that is not dependent on fossil fue? -> Science
* How to deal with your day-to-day stress and conflicts? -> For some religion. For others, a mix of mental exercises and perspective control...
It is essential for you to understand that words are being used only as an expedient to convey an idea....the 'real'** is on the other side of the words...

Take the case of the concept of reality...what does it represent....the reality it represents is not the concept, for concepts are not real except as mental constructs that serve as a symbol, a sign post if you like..to point the way to the real on the other side...

So there is actual reality that is real...and there is the conceptual reality...the theories, the language, the mathematics, the formulas, etc... that serve to represent the real...

** It is true that this is still a word, still a concept....but as explained, in this case my words are only used to convey to you that words are illusionary...every one interprets what they mean as individuals...
 

Sapiens

Polymathematician
One does not need an adjective to describe reality. Reality describes itself properly without any further description.

One's perception of reality can never be relied on. That's why in science, as you know and from our previous discussions, we have tools that measure reality indiscriminately. Tools to measure mass, speed, lengths, direction, volume, time... Then we clearly define the potential errors in each tool with a range of precision. Science is clear on this. Religion is not. When two different entities at different locations and times measure their realities with these tools, the science will suggest that it will follow very strict one-to-one correlations otherwise known as laws and theories. There are cases of probabilities as defined in Quantum Mechanics, but over and over, each subsequent tests produce the same known results.

This precision is absolutely needed in today's technologies from computers to vehicles to architecture.

Back to the OP...
Suggest a specific goal and one can better answer if science or religion is better.

* Is it to measure the carbon dioxide amount in our atmosphere? -> Science
* Develop a smaller die process for next generation computing devices that generates less heat and consume less energy? -> Science
* Develop transportation that is not dependent on fossil fue? -> Science
* How to deal with your day-to-day stress and conflicts? -> For some religion. For others, a mix of mental exercises and perspective control...
and for some ... biofeedback (that's science).
and for others anti-depressants (that's science again).
 

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
Just that you fail to appreciate the difference a "to" makes.
First of all, I did not say 'to' nor did I mean 'to', I said 'for' and I meant 'for;...."subjective reality on the other hand is a real experience for the individual."

C'mon, what's your problem pal...spit it out?
 

Sapiens

Polymathematician
First of all, I did not say 'to' nor did I mean 'to', I said 'for' and I meant 'for;...."subjective reality on the other hand is a real experience for the individual."
I see you grasp the problem, but that the solution escapes you.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
There was a series of science documentaries about God and the universe.....

Very popular show...went on for the longest time.

Seems to me there would be a large audience listening to such things.
more so than here.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
As I posted elsewhere....
Understanding reality without contemplation toward God....
is a contradiction in terms to me.
 

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
No, the claim was clear and the answer was clearer, pretend all you want, it's your nickel.
Well I want to know why you say that this phrase...""subjective reality on the other hand is a real experience for the individual." represents abject foolishness. What do you think it means....or doesn't mean?
 

Unification

Well-Known Member
How would you propose to use religion to cure diseases, regrow or replace lost limbs? How would you use religion to increase crop yield without exhausting the soil? How would you use religion to solve the problem of warming ocean currents?

Cosmic energy has great healing.

Science has done a great job of revealing truth, wisdom, and knowledge to all, but that truth, wisdom, and knowledge comes from a force. Really, truth, wisdom, and knowledge are irrelevant without putting it to use(experience.) Having all the knowledge "of" something is pretty much worthless without experience. Experience stands the test in everything. Science and spirituality(conscious awareness).

Not for re-growing or replacing lost limbs though, but the knowledge, inspiration, and ideas for science or any individual comes from that force.

On the flip side, crop yielding (bearing good fruit) can occur internally within ones mind producing good seed of knowledge.

Some solid wisdom:

"RELIGIONS GOD OF VIOLENCE

We go to church looking for a holy place away from violence, but instead we find a God who tortures his son to death and uses innocent unsuspecting people to carry out the murder.

We find this same God planning Armageddon as his final act of salvation.

Millions of people and animals to be brutally killed in an awesome fire.

We find a God of the Old Testament who admonishes his followers to terrorize towns and kill all that live including children.

Maybe now we can realize that we have created God in the image and likeness of ourselves.

We needed something to justify our violence against others who don't agree with us.

We needed something to justify our need to forcibly change the way of others we do not agree with.

WE NEEDED A GOD WHO AGREED WITH US

AND WAS LIKE US

We created a violent God. A God who stands at attention when we raise the flag and salute the heroes of our battles.

A God who is always on our side when we attack and launch our missiles.

In this age thankfully, so many are turning away from this God of violence.

They are looking towards the inner spirit of silence and healing.

The spirit of love and compassion.

They are looking away from pride and patriotism. Away from ego and desire.

They are looking to the real God who said " I will have no strange Gods before me

"The strange Gods are the ones we have created to justify our traditionally violent behavior.

Made in the image and likeness of us."
GLOBAL WARMING AND EVOLUTION

So many people have trouble looking at the middle.

They have to firmly take a position on one side or the other.

It becomes the source of much of the worlds violence.

It always has to be their way or no way.



Consider Global Warming and Evolution

Evolution: Some say evolution is the only way.

The other side says, not so, creation is the only way.

But no one considers that the body evolved until it was to the point where it could host the created person.

The photon person, the soul, the spirit.

Thus evolution and creation are correct.



Global Warming

Some say industrial pollution , carbon dioxide is the culprit.

The other side says, not so, this is a cycle of the earth that has gone on for ages and ages.

But no one considers that the earth goes through cyclic change.

But the industrial pollution and carbon dioxide magnify the results of natural cyclic changes far beyond what would be a natural change.

We have politics and religion, and people choose their groups side.

They argue and fight and the answer is never found.

In the Bible Jesus said, the way is narrow and few find it.

That's because the way is the middle and few go there."

-Bill Donahue
 

Unification

Well-Known Member
I bet Galileo would disagree with you.

ETA: There's no evidence that a soul exists.


Pictures of your photon/pictures of your soul.

God is a photon, Jesus is a photon, and You are a photon

In Kyoto Japan at Kyoto University researcher Hitoshi Okamura a circadian biologist positioned people in a pitch black room and set up a light sensitive camera and lo and behold he pictured the photon.

He also proved that the human body literally glows emitting visible light in small quantities.

Here are the pictures.

This proves that the human soul is actually photon.

It also proves the human aura which you can see here as bluish green.

Your soul is an electromagnetic field of energy.
 

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suncowiam

Well-Known Member
It is essential for you to understand that words are being used only as an expedient to convey an idea....the 'real'** is on the other side of the words...

Take the case of the concept of reality...what does it represent....the reality it represents is not the concept, for concepts are not real except as mental constructs that serve as a symbol, a sign post if you like..to point the way to the real on the other side...

So there is actual reality that is real...and there is the conceptual reality...the theories, the language, the mathematics, the formulas, etc... that serve to represent the real...

** It is true that this is still a word, still a concept....but as explained, in this case my words are only used to convey to you that words are illusionary...every one interprets what they mean as individuals...

Subjective reality as you proposed is simply one's perception of reality but it does not equate to reality. Its a misnomer. You can simply replace the whole phrase with perception which directly invokes a human nature to the interpretation of reality.

And as we all know, human perception depending on vision, smell, sound, touch, rationality, intuition, and especially memory can have much error. Use with caution is all I'm saying.

"To err is human"
 

Unification

Well-Known Member
Well if science demonstrates how God did it.....
and a creation is a reflection of it's Creator....
science can introduce you.....to God.

Kind of like saying in a sense, God didn't create anything. A creation of God's created us and now we are the Creators. One giant mind. Creation for life and opportunity to increase in knowledge and to experience. Spirit of infinite potential and for one to be able to experience any and all possible scenarios of reality.
 

Unification

Well-Known Member
How would you propose to use religion to cure diseases, regrow or replace lost limbs? How would you use religion to increase crop yield without exhausting the soil? How would you use religion to solve the problem of warming ocean currents?

If there were no such thing as life and the ability to experience, there would be no such thing as knowledge, ideas, and inspirations.
If there were no such thing as a being with a lost limb, there would be no need or such thing for the knowledge to be able to replace such.
If there were no such things as diseases, there would be nothing to cure or no need for knowledge.
Everything is balanced and controlled by a subtle, intelligent undetectable force.
The opportunity of life and being and experience.
 
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