Is Science Better Than Religion?

[outhouse]

Your soul is an electromagnetic field of energy.

POE

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Subjective reality as you proposed is simply one's perception of reality but it does not equate to reality. Its a misnomer. You can simply replace the whole phrase with perception which directly invokes a human nature to the interpretation of reality.

And as we all know, human perception depending on vision, smell, sound, touch, rationality, intuition, and especially memory can have much error. Use with caution is all I'm saying.

"To err is human"

You said in your first post to me...."One does not need an adjective to describe reality. Reality describes itself properly without any further description."

My response was to point out that conceptual reality is not reality....actual reality can not be experienced through conceptualization....But I find in this response #260, that you don't seem to have addressed anything in the quoted text.
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Now so far as my original comment, I never implied that subjective reality equates with reality, I said that subjective reality is a real experience for the individual.. And I never implied that the adjective before the word 'reality' was a description of actual reality, but rather there to distinguish between a conceptualization of reality and an experience of reality...

So now how about explaining to me what you mean by...."Reality describes itself without ant further description"?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

What's POE btw? Tks in advance...

 

[suncowiam]

You said in your first post to me...."One does not need an adjective to describe reality. Reality describes itself properly without any further description."

My response was to point out that conceptual reality is not reality....actual reality can not be experienced through conceptualization....But I find in this response #260, that you don't seem to have addressed anything in the quoted text.
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Now so far as my original comment, I never implied that subjective reality equates with reality, I said that subjective reality is a real experience for the individual.. And I never implied that the adjective before the word 'reality' was a description of actual reality, but rather there to distinguish between a conceptualization of reality and an experience of reality...

So now how about explaining to me what you mean by...."Reality describes itself without ant further description"?

Imo, you're just be overly articulate in describing an existencing term being perception. Everything you're describing boils down to perception. Nothing wrong with perception but there is a huge difference between perception and reality.

If you want to call your perception, subjective reality, then fine. I'm not going to continue to argue semantics with you.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Imo, you're just be overly articulate in describing an existencing term being perception. Everything you're describing boils down to perception. Nothing wrong with perception but there is a huge difference between perception and reality.

If you want to call your perception, subjective reality, then fine. I'm not going to continue to argue semantics with you.

Sure, there a lot more to it.....though there is a difference between perceived reality and conceived reality on the one hand, neither of these can apprehend or comprehend absolute reality.. But there is more to mind than limited time space processes...and that's where religion comes in...

 

[Sapiens]

What's POE btw? Tks in advance...

Poe

A person who writes a parody of a Fundamentalist that is mistaken for the real thing. Due to Poe's Law, it is almost impossible to tell if a person is a Poe unless they admit to it.

"The Bible is true because it's the inerrant word of God! I know because the Bible says so! Glory!"

Is this guy serious? He's got to be a poe.

Google is your friend, so is the Urban Dictionary.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Tks....google is cool..but people warm....

 

[DoubtingNate]

human life is described perfectly in the bible

Dawkins, like all atheists, makes use of an enormously powerful bioelectric computer system in order to frequently argue against God, when the greatest evidence for God is the very same computer Dawkins uses to argue God out of existence: his own brain.

You forcing your own conclusion into the argument in order to support the thing you are arguing for. That is circular reasoning.

 

[Marisa]

Pictures of your photon/pictures of your soul.

God is a photon, Jesus is a photon, and You are a photon

In Kyoto Japan at Kyoto University researcher Hitoshi Okamura a circadian biologist positioned people in a pitch black room and set up a light sensitive camera and lo and behold he pictured the photon.

He also proved that the human body literally glows emitting visible light in small quantities.

Here are the pictures.

This proves that the human soul is actually photon.

It also proves the human aura which you can see here as bluish green.

Your soul is an electromagnetic field of energy.

If that's what you choose to believe. I missed the big scientific announcement and subsequent Nobel Prize awarded for the finding of the human soul, and couldn't find anything supporting your assertion on the search I just performed. There is quite a lot about the visual limits of the human eye, and what photons are, however.

Here's what Wiki says about auras. This may just be referencing your circadian biologist!
"Humans do give off radiation. Well, yes - but this is, in simple terms, just heat and is detected in the infra-red range. However, this is far, far beyond the detection abilities of the human eye. Some recent research in Japan has indicated that human bodies do give off light in the visible region of the electromagnetic spectrum but at a level 1000 times lower than what the naked and unassisted human eye can detect. It is thought that this may be due to free-radical reactions in the skin, which are known to be able to emit photons at a visible frequency but do not occur frequently enough to be detected without very specialized equipment. Internet-based idiots, of course, are quick to pounce on this sort of research, ignoring pretty much everything about the research but the eye-catching media headlines."
Aura - RationalWiki

And just in case you're interested, here is Wiki's entry on pseudoscience: List of pseudosciences - RationalWiki

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Pictures of your photon/pictures of your soul.

God is a photon, Jesus is a photon, and You are a photon

In Kyoto Japan at Kyoto University researcher Hitoshi Okamura a circadian biologist positioned people in a pitch black room and set up a light sensitive camera and lo and behold he pictured the photon.

He also proved that the human body literally glows emitting visible light in small quantities.

Here are the pictures.

This proves that the human soul is actually photon.

It also proves the human aura which you can see here as bluish green.

Your soul is an electromagnetic field of energy.

All this demonstrates is that human skin emits very, very faint amounts of light:

humans glow with bioluminescent skin | SENSOREE
Strange! Humans Glow in Visible Light

Here is Okamura's paper on the experiment, in which he posits that the light emission is most likely due to changes in energy metabolism and biochemical reactions involving free radicals:

PLOS ONE: Imaging of Ultraweak Spontaneous Photon Emission from Human Body Displaying Diurnal Rhythm

By the way, a "photon" is a subatomic particle of light (as well as other electromagnetic radiation).

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Now that I understand what POE means in outhouse's response to Unification...I think it is not acceptable to just say POE...Unification deserves a reasoned reply.... Religiously inclined people are not always 'culturally' prepared to speak a language that atheists appreciate...but at least please try and explain your criticism in a way that allows a logical response...

 

[Thief]

Subjective reality as you proposed is simply one's perception of reality but it does not equate to reality. Its a misnomer. You can simply replace the whole phrase with perception which directly invokes a human nature to the interpretation of reality.

And as we all know, human perception depending on vision, smell, sound, touch, rationality, intuition, and especially memory can have much error. Use with caution is all I'm saying.

"To err is human"

I say...there is no glory in being human.

Hopefully heaven won't mind too much....the fault.

 

[McBell]

As always...nothing but retort.....and nothing more to offer.....
attaboy!

There's that denial we have all come to know and love!

 

[Thief]

There's that denial we have all come to know and love!

I love you too.

there!....feel better?

 

[gnostic]

Religion means re-union with.. from where we all started the journey of life in the beginning.

All it depends on where one want to reside.

Except that you could not possibly know that. It is based on faith and the imaginary "carrot", which (both) signify wishful thinking and superstition.

With the Christian and Islamic religions, the "carrot" could be symbol of supposedly heavenly reward, like living in paradise and living forever, while the superstition is the fear factor - eg if you are bad, you get eternal torment or go to hell or you get eaten by some sorts of demon.

Christianity and Islam manipulate people into converting to their religion, using these tactics - using reward and fear.

Seriously, what better way of controlling individuals or people than using promise of reward and using their own fear against them.

PS. Though living forever or eternal life is supposedly a "reward", it is actually entwined with fear, eg the fear of death.

 

[Unification]

If that's what you choose to believe. I missed the big scientific announcement and subsequent Nobel Prize awarded for the finding of the human soul, and couldn't find anything supporting your assertion on the search I just performed. There is quite a lot about the visual limits of the human eye, and what photons are, however.

Here's what Wiki says about auras. This may just be referencing your circadian biologist!
"Humans do give off radiation. Well, yes - but this is, in simple terms, just heat and is detected in the infra-red range. However, this is far, far beyond the detection abilities of the human eye. Some recent research in Japan has indicated that human bodies do give off light in the visible region of the electromagnetic spectrum but at a level 1000 times lower than what the naked and unassisted human eye can detect. It is thought that this may be due to free-radical reactions in the skin, which are known to be able to emit photons at a visible frequency but do not occur frequently enough to be detected without very specialized equipment. Internet-based idiots, of course, are quick to pounce on this sort of research, ignoring pretty much everything about the research but the eye-catching media headlines."
Aura - RationalWiki

And just in case you're interested, here is Wiki's entry on pseudoscience: List of pseudosciences - RationalWiki

Thank you for the response.

"The highest density of light was emitted in the cheeks, forehead, and neck and light did NOT correlate to heat."

"This raises the question as to what we are communicating at this invisible level. Like the lightning bug, are we unconsciously glowing for mating purposes or COMMUNICATION."

Far beyond the detective abilities of the visible human eye= undetectable energy/invisible.

Of course our skin is permeable to receive cosmic energy and emit energy. Our brain and bodies are also an electromagnetic field of energy. Everything is energy.

I didn't see quantum mechanics and physics on the list of pseudoscience.

It is "thought" and "may" is pseudoscience itself and circular reasoning meaning it's already assumed something is. More ideology and belief rather than sound science.

If you don't believe in science, that's your belief. The human brain and body are not exempt from scientific laws of nature.

The word "soul" is brought up and instant religious dogmatic assumption is assumed. Soul is self. Individuality. Scientifically speaking, you are an electromagnetic field of energy.

No one is an idiot. Quick to assume, quick to label, reaction from emotion, lack of awareness of something, blinded to truth would be more logical.

 

[Unification]

Except that you could not possibly know that. It is based on faith and the imaginary "carrot", which (both) signify wishful thinking and superstition.

With the Christian and Islamic religions, the "carrot" could be symbol of supposedly heavenly reward, like living in paradise and living forever, while the superstition is the fear factor - eg if you are bad, you get eternal torment or go to hell or you get eaten by some sorts of demon.

Christianity and Islam manipulate people into converting to their religion, using these tactics - using reward and fear.

Seriously, what better way of controlling individuals or people than using promise of reward and using their own fear against them.

PS. Though living forever or eternal life is supposedly a "reward", it is actually entwined with fear, eg the fear of death.

This is true, but it also hinges on how we individually perceive the word "religion." The common assumption is always to see the dogmatic view of religions.

Pledge of allegiance to the system:

Unfortunately though extremely well intended, we have accumulated so many controllers of our lives and our peace, that we now find ourselves without independence at all.

We are controlled from without by government, religion, corporations, friends and families, and from within by our own minds which have been so disturbed by them.

You have to believe the way they believe, you have to fight those that they wish to fight, and you have to hate those whom they wish you to hate.

You have to, or you are not a member in good standing.

You're not considered one of them.

Rules, regulations, doctrines, laws.

The burden of living with the group, and living under the groups ways, and then having to stand up and sing the songs of freedom while you observe their demonstrations of brutal savagery take a serious toll until ones physical body breaks down and one simply drops dead, is put in a box and buried in the ground.

Having spent a few years trying to obey the laws of the lawless, but now stiff and cold, a totally meaningless excursion on a disturbed planet.

 

[Marisa]

It is "thought" and "may" is pseudoscience itself and circular reasoning meaning it's already assumed something is. More ideology and belief rather than sound science.

No, actually that's science admitting it doesn't fully understand what it's seeing. In other words, it's science opting not to say something like "this is proof that souls are protons".

If you don't believe in science, that's your belief. The human brain and body are not exempt from scientific laws of nature.

It doesn't take much to "believe" in science. It actually exists, whether I believe it or not. I think what you meant to suggest is that I don't understand science. On that, we can bicker, since there are many branches of science which I don't understand, and it does me no harm to say so. What I do understand though, is that science doesn't usually say things like "this proves that ___________".

The word "soul" is brought up and instant religious dogmatic assumption is assumed. Soul is self. Individuality. Scientifically speaking, you are an electromagnetic field of energy.

No one is an idiot. Quick to assume, quick to label, reaction from emotion, lack of awareness of something, blinded to truth would be more logical.

I didn't suggest that anyone is an idiot. What I suggested is that whether you define a soul as the part of you which goes to a proscribed afterlife after death, or merely as consciousness, science has not yet succeeded in defining it. But since you have, by all means, apply for your Nobel Prize!

 

[Unification]

This is true, but it also hinges on how we individually perceive the word "religion." The common assumption is always to see the dogmatic view of religions.

Pledge of allegiance to the system:

Unfortunately though extremely well intended, we have accumulated so many controllers of our lives and our peace, that we now find ourselves without independence at all.

We are controlled from without by government, religion, corporations, friends and families, and from within by our own minds which have been so disturbed by them.

You have to believe the way they believe, you have to fight those that they wish to fight, and you have to hate those whom they wish you to hate.

You have to, or you are not a member in good standing.

You're not considered one of them.

Rules, regulations, doctrines, laws.

The burden of living with the group, and living under the groups ways, and then having to stand up and sing the songs of freedom while you observe their demonstrations of brutal savagery take a serious toll until ones physical body breaks down and one simply drops dead, is put in a box and buried in the ground.

Having spent a few years trying to obey the laws of the lawless, but now stiff and cold, a totally meaningless excursion on a disturbed planet.

I've been to a place where a well intended preacher talks about atheists being the enemy. This is ludicrous, atheists are human beings and I'd be considered an atheist also but only to all of the gods that mankind has created in their own image. The opposite is true, atheists are closer to experiencing God. Atheist is just an assigned label by the mind anyhow. Having knowledge and wisdom and understanding "of" something, is completely different than knowing through experience and being though. Takes both.

 

[Unification]

No, actually that's science admitting it doesn't fully understand what it's seeing. In other words, it's science opting not to say something like "this is proof that souls are protons".


It doesn't take much to "believe" in science. It actually exists, whether I believe it or not. I think what you meant to suggest is that I don't understand science. On that, we can bicker, since there are many branches of science which I don't understand, and it does me no harm to say so. What I do understand though, is that science doesn't usually say things like "this proves that ___________".


I didn't suggest that anyone is an idiot. What I suggested is that whether you define a soul as the part of you which goes to a proscribed afterlife after death, or merely as consciousness, science has not yet succeeded in defining it. But since you have, by all means, apply for your Nobel Prize!

That's why we chat reasonably on forums, express ideas, inspirations, share knowledge, collectively. We all lack awareness of something in some areas. I'm happy that you're humble enough to admit that. As am I.

Some of science doesn't assume. There is biased and stubborn science also. Science doesn't have knowledge of everything and is limited. They are fine with that. I, individually am not fine with limiting myself and being hindered to rules, regulations, and assumptions because an entity has not yet discovered or defined. I am my own self. Being conscious and aware is the best evidence to anything, and the only thing one can be sure of.

I don't assume that you do or don't know science, please don't think or assume that.

It does prove that we are energy, communicate via energy, and everything is based upon energy.

Lol, I'll put your name on the application as a recommendation.