Is the Arab World's explusion of Jews news to you?

[Tumah]

These are not facts but lies
Mariam is the best woman all over human being

Just because you believe that, doesn't make it true.

She didn't do adultery
If she did adultery, why she wasn't stoned according to the law ?

Because in order to be prosecuted under Jewish Law there needs to be two eyewitnesses to the act and they had to have warned her immediately beforehand. Its not enough to know that circumstances didn't make it possible for her husband to have impregnated her.

 

[Flankerl]

So criticizing the Pharisees is on the same level as blasphemy?

Christianity is blasphemy. Every single bit of it.
Your entire religion is build on it.

And now you whine about the people your people massacred on a huge scale again and again because they wrote down some unfriendly stuff about your dead God in code so that they don't get all murdered?

CRY ME A ******* RIVER

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Christianity is blasphemy. Every single bit of it.
Your entire religion is build on it.

And now you whine about the people your people massacred on a huge scale again and again because they wrote down some unfriendly stuff about your dead God in code so that they don't get all murdered?

CRY ME A ******* RIVER

Well, peace be with you, too. *clicks ignore*

 

[Tumah]

Well, you've insulted my God and you've insulted the Blessed Virgin. How am I supposed to take that?

You asked me what it said, knowing that it wasn't going to be something positive. After I - rather objectively and without hard feelings - had quoted to you the degrading things your book says about my rabbis. I was frank with you, Frank. And you made it personal.

 

[Tumah]

True story of Mariam and her son Isa Al-Masseh
Allah gave an example like creation of Adam
Allah created Al-Masseh from a mother without a father
True story from Quran

blah blah blah...

I don't think anyone who's not Muslim thinks anything it says in the Quran about Jesus, is true. I'm not really sure what you think you're bringing to the table here.

 

[Flankerl]

Well, peace be with you, too. *clicks ignore*

Hahahaha Muh safe space

Oh noes they wrote a small polemic.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I don't think anyone who's not Muslim thinks anything it says in the Quran about Jesus, is true. I'm not really sure what you think you're bringing to the table here.

Actually, Muslims and Christians share a number of core beliefs about Jesus. We both believe that He was the product of a virgin birth, that Mary remained a virgin all her life (a lot of Protestants don't even agree on that), that Jesus performed miracles and had a ministry and that He is the Messiah Who will come again. We mostly disagree over the crucifixion and His deity.

 

[Tumah]

Actually, Muslims and Christians share a number of core beliefs about Jesus. We both believe that He was the product of a virgin birth, that Mary remained a virgin all her life (a lot of Protestants don't even agree on that), that Jesus performed miracles and had a ministry and that He is the Messiah Who will come again. We mostly disagree over the crucifixion and His deity.

That's fine. But do you believe it because it says it in the Quran?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

That's fine. But do you believe it because it says it in the Quran?

No. I respect the Qur'an, but I'm not a Muslim.

 

[Limo]

Just because you believe that, doesn't make it true.

Because in order to be prosecuted under Jewish Law there needs to be two eyewitnesses to the act and they had to have warned her immediately beforehand. Its not enough to know that circumstances didn't make it possible for her husband to have impregnated her.

If no 2 eyewitness , how people knew that she did ?

 

[Limo]

I don't think anyone who's not Muslim thinks anything it says in the Quran about Jesus, is true. I'm not really sure what you think you're bringing to the table here.

It's just a presentation of Islamic view of Al-Masseh.
I know you disbelieve in Quran

 

[Tumah]

No. I respect the Qur'an, but I'm not a Muslim.

That's all I'm saying.

 

[Tumah]

If no 2 eyewitness , how people knew that she did ?

Because they know how to add 2 + 2.

 

[LuisDantas]

No need to ask for help. Muslims will do voluntary. It's our mission.
One companion told the Persian king "We just came to take people from worshiping a human to worship the Lord of all"

O the humbleness of people who presume to decide what others should believe in, often between claims that there is no compúlsion in religion...

I wonder what the Arab words for "hubris" and "chutzpah" are.

 

[LuisDantas]

These are not facts but lies

It is basically impossible to tell, isn't it?

People who care end up having to decide whether the Christian NT is lying, or else the Talmudic tradition is.

Assuming, of course, that at least one of the two is accurate, which is unproven at best.

Mariam is the best woman all over human being

She didn't do adultery

Or maybe she had a very accomodating husband, perhaps one who valued her and her child over the letter of the law?

There is beauty in loving and forgiving, you know.

If she did adultery, why she wasn't stoned according to the law ?

Perhaps for the same reasons why atheists and alcohol-drinkers are not always punished according to Muslim law even when they live under Muslim law?

Namely, because people usually know better than to expect the law to be wiser and more loving than themselves?

 

[LuisDantas]

If no 2 eyewitness , how people knew that she did ?

I take it that you mean to ask "if there were no two eyewitnesses willing to testify, then how come people felt no compulsion to uniformly believe that she was not an adulterer?"

That probably sounds a lot more reasonable if you come at it after learning and accepting that she is supposed to be supremely virtuous, not so much if you are living there at the time and holds no such previous expectation.

 

[Limo]

Because they know how to add 2 + 2.

What a smart people!
In the same time they accused an innocent woman falsely

 

[Limo]

O the humbleness of people who presume to decide what others should believe in, often between claims that there is no compúlsion in religion...

I wonder what the Arab words for "hubris" and "chutzpah" are.

Taking people from worshiping a human (king). This is Muslim mission.
We remove regime then person become free to choose. No Compulsion in religion.

This is not as you think, If you mean bad habits, yes Allah warned us in Quran not to do on personal level.

"And turn not your face away from men with pride, nor walk in insolence through the earth. Verily, Allah likes not each arrogant boaster.

And the servants of the Most Merciful are those who walk upon the earth easily, and when the ignorant address them [harshly], they say [words of] peace,

Worship Allah and join none with Him in worship, and do good to parents, kinsfolk, orphans, Al-Masakin (the poor), the neighbour who is near of kin, the neighbour who is a stranger, the companion by your side, the wayfarer (you meet), and those (slaves) whom your right hands possess. Verily, Allah does not like such as are proud and boastful;

 

[Limo]

It is basically impossible to tell, isn't it?

People who care end up having to decide whether the Christian NT is lying, or else the Talmudic tradition is.

Assuming, of course, that at least one of the two is accurate, which is unproven at best.

It's a free forum. right ?
If we're limiting comments to people who cares, you should be the least person to comment on such relegion discussion. Right ?

Or maybe she had a very accomodating husband, perhaps one who valued her and her child over the letter of the law?

There is beauty in loving and forgiving, you know.

Perhaps for the same reasons why atheists and alcohol-drinkers are not always punished according to Muslim law even when they live under Muslim law?

Namely, because people usually know better than to expect the law to be wiser and more loving than themselves?

In such ethical societies that leaves according to Allah's law, what you call "accommodating husband" is called cuckold,pander, pimp, procurer
Even neighbors, religious people don't stay silent

Such allegations don't simply go like this and then Rabbis are repeating these allegations for centuries in books

There should be a good reason to shut everyone's mouth. The explanation is in Quran only. The child talked to all and set his mother innocent. The laws wasn't applied, they set her free but Rabbis kept the allegations in books.
This is why these are lies

 

[Limo]

I take it that you mean to ask "if there were no two eyewitnesses willing to testify, then how come people felt no compulsion to uniformly believe that she was not an adulterer?"

That probably sounds a lot more reasonable if you come at it after learning and accepting that she is supposed to be supremely virtuous, not so much if you are living there at the time and holds no such previous expectation.

The contradiction in the story is clear. They said she was married when she gut pregnant. If she was married and no 2 eyewitness then no case.
If one person see here, he should have kept his mouth shut, If he tells that she was doing, nobody will believe him.
The fact is she wasn't married but she become pregnant. This is a very strong evidence, even stronger than 2 eyewitness but they didn't apply the law. The question is Why ? what saved her ?
The answer is neither in NT nor in Talmud, It's in Quran.
The child talked in his first day

Then she pointed to him. They said: "How can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle?"
"And He has made me blessed wheresoever I be, and has enjoined on me Salat (prayer), and Zakat, as long as I live."

"And dutiful to my mother, and made me not arrogant, unblest.
"And Salam (peace) be upon me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I shall be raised alive!"
Such is 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary). (it is) a statement of truth, about which they doubt (or dispute).