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Is the Arab World's explusion of Jews news to you?

Limo

Limo

Active Member
A Greased Scotsman said:
According to that list? Being a non-Muslim, hands down. Now let me do the same thing but in reverse.

Which one is better?
  • being non-Muslim
    • You're lucky if your religion is even recognised by your rulers;
    • Having to put up with Muslims vandalising or destroying your place of worship;
    • Extra tax burdens placed on you (jizyah);
    • Arbitrary removal of civic responsibilities (such as military service) in exchange for this extra tax;
    • Being forced to walk on the opposite side of the street from Muslims because you're unclean;
    • Being segregated from Muslims purely because you're non-Muslim;
    • Being at risk of false accusations of 'blasphemy' which could lead to harm or even death of you/your loved ones (see above link);
    • If you're a polytheist you get no religious freedom under Muslim rule;
    • Expect to be blamed for society's ills;
    • If you're an atheist, expect to be treated as a deviant with all the negative baggage that term carries in a society which so highly prizes conformity;
    • If slavery is legal in your country, you can't own Muslim slaves but Muslims can enslave you (my issue here isn't with people not being able to own slaves - my issue is with parity before the law);
    • Muslims can take part in governance but you cannot (e.g. Persia);
    • If you're an ex-Muslim you'll likely face punishment up to & including death for leaving Islam;
    • At risk of having land confiscated and given to Muslims (again, Persia);
    • If you enter a dispute with a Muslim a sharia judge will be more likely to find in their favour even though Islamic law shouldn't apply to you;
    • Your rulers heap further humiliation on you when it comes time to pay the jizyah;
    • If you refuse to pay the jizyah then Muslims are legally permitted to use force (legal or physical) against you for not obeying Islamic law until you capitulate;

  • being Muslim
    • You enjoy religious freedom - usually the state recognises your faith as the land's official religion;
    • Your faith is exclusive & supremacist - if you vandalise or destroy a pagan temple you're unlikely to be charged (criminally or financially) for its destruction;
    • You enjoy greater rights than non-Muslims because of your faith - you don't have to pay humiliating taxes, nor are you stigmatised as being _______ worshippers but you're free to misrepresent faiths you may be ignorant of (e.g. calling Christians polytheists);
    • You're free to hate the Jews and few will question it but if anybody hates you that's Islamophobia because they can't possibly have a reason for it;
    • You can revise your history to whitewash historical Muslims and demonise non-Muslims and few, if any, will question it;
    • You can engage in pagan practices such as circumambulating a stone in a Pagan temple and nobody will question it - but you can call anything that isn't a Muslim practise 'pagan' and nobody will bat an eye;
    • If slavery is legal in your country, it's illegal for a non-Muslim to be your master;
    • If you're a slave to a non-Muslim owner, you'll be automatically freed by converting to Islam;
    • You can take part in government over non-Muslims but they cannot take part in government over you;
    • If you don't pay zakat you don't need to worry about anyone coming to your house and threatening your family, friends or property;
    • If you really, really don't like somebody you can accuse them of blaspheming the Prophet Muhammad and they'll either be killed by the state or by an angry mob;
    • Won't be viewed as automatically immoral or unclean by society because of your faith;
Please tell me which you think is more preferable to be; non-Muslim or Muslim.
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This is a high exgegurasion my friend
Once you're under Islamic law you can even take the Caliphate to court
The Islamic judge system is a role model
Pagans in India were under Islamic government for centuries and still majority
Greece, Italy, Romania, Serbia,,,, still Christianity majority till date
By the way Othmanies Caliphate was not the best among Islamic Caliphates
 
Saint Frankenstein

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
Tumah said:
And I don't see what the Talmud said as anything more than stating facts. But there you go.
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What do you think it says about Christ that are facts? I know some anti-Christian Jews think that Jesus was a black magician or whatever that is boiling in excrement now.
 
Flankerl

Flankerl

Well-Known Member
Tumah said:
Actually, at this point I think they were under the Sassanid's rule in Babylon, not Rome.
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Sure but not every Jew lived in the Sassanid Empire. :p
Limo said:
No need to ask for help. Muslims will do voluntary. It's our mission.
One companion told the Persian king "We just came to take people from worshiping a human to worship the Lord of all"
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The Persians were Zoroastrians which was already a Monotheistic Religion at that point. So you saved them from Monotheism. Such valiant people you are.


Limo said:
Why you're so sure. I promise in less than 10 years, if you're alive.
Al-Masseh will help in establish it.
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Never state a time, Christians do that again and again. In the end you are idiot.


Limo said:
What a fact !!!
Is it a fact because you say it ?
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Yes white people perfected warfare. Its just what it is.
Though I am sure that there is at least one species in the vastness of the Galaxy that does it better.


Limo said:
With my pleasure, rephrased :
  • If your Gods of war leave their enemies in dust, we left your Gods of war in graves
  • You can find graves of your Gods of war in all Middle East, around Mediterranean, Central and Eastern Europe, Crusaders remains in Palestine
  • My regards to the remains of your Gods of war
Is it clear now ?
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I don't have a god of war. So uhm yeah.


Limo said:
I want use nothing. It's not my battle. I was just asking a question.

Anyway, I see it as if someone is destrying the image of someone who is dangerous

If this is about Al-Maseh Isa Ibn Mariam, It's a group of lies but the only truth in it is Al-Maseh's mother's name "Miriam"
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That's called quote mining.
 
Tumah

Tumah

Veteran Member
Saint Frankenstein said:
Then I guess what I'm asking is what does it say about Jesus?
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According to those of us that believe its talking about the same individual who is the subject of the NT, basically that his mother cheated on his father, had him (making him a ******* by Jewish Law). He grew up acted out a bit. Got reprimanded by his rabbi, but his rabbi was too harsh on him. Ended up turning away from Judaism. Practiced black magic and convinced Jews to follow him. Had five (main?) students. Got stoned to death by the Sanhedrin on Passover Eve. Ended up in a boiling vat of excrement in hell (because that's the punishment for ridiculing Sages, not because he's special).

According to this, the character of the NT would have lived about 70 years earlier than the time frame the NT authors put him in.

Bear in mind that there's no complete narrative about him in the Talmud. Bits and pieces get brought up as they may relate to the topic under discussion at the time. For instance, the part about him and his rabbi came up because the Talmud was discussing how one shouldn't be too harsh on people and gives Elisha towards Gehazi and the rabbi towards Jesus as examples of the bad that comes out of doing so.
 
Saint Frankenstein

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
Tumah said:
According to those of us that believe its talking about the same individual who is the subject of the NT, basically that his mother cheated on his father, had him (making him a ******* by Jewish Law). He grew up acted out a bit. Got reprimanded by his rabbi, but his rabbi was too harsh on him. Ended up turning away from Judaism. Practiced black magic and convinced Jews to follow him. Had five (main?) students. Got stoned to death by the Sanhedrin on Passover Eve. Ended up in a boiling vat of excrement in hell (because that's the punishment for ridiculing Sages, not because he's special).

According to this, the character of the NT would have lived about 70 years earlier than the time frame the NT authors put him in.

Bear in mind that there's no complete narrative about him in the Talmud. Bits and pieces get brought up as they may relate to the topic under discussion at the time. For instance, the part about him and his rabbi came up because the Talmud was discussing how one shouldn't be too harsh on people and gives Elisha towards Gehazi and the rabbi towards Jesus as examples of the bad that comes out of doing so.
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I figured that's what you'd say. Very disappointing.
 
Limo

Limo

Active Member

Tumah said:
According to those of us that believe its talking about the same individual who is the subject of the NT, basically that his mother cheated on his father, had him (making him a ******* by Jewish Law). He grew up acted out a bit. Got reprimanded by his rabbi, but his rabbi was too harsh on him. Ended up turning away from Judaism. Practiced black magic and convinced Jews to follow him. Had five (main?) students. Got stoned to death by the Sanhedrin on Passover Eve. Ended up in a boiling vat of excrement in hell (because that's the punishment for ridiculing Sages, not because he's special).

According to this, the character of the NT would have lived about 70 years earlier than the time frame the NT authors put him in.

Bear in mind that there's no complete narrative about him in the Talmud. Bits and pieces get brought up as they may relate to the topic under discussion at the time. For instance, the part about him and his rabbi came up because the Talmud was discussing how one shouldn't be too harsh on people and gives Elisha towards Gehazi and the rabbi towards Jesus as examples of the bad that comes out of doing so.
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These are not facts but lies
Mariam is the best woman all over human being
She didn't do adultery
If she did adultery, why she wasn't stoned according to the law ?
 
Limo

Limo

Active Member
True story of Mariam and her son Isa Al-Masseh
Allah gave an example like creation of Adam
Allah created Al-Masseh from a mother without a father
True story from Quran

And mention in the Book (the Quran, O Muhammad SAW , the story of) Maryam (Mary), when she withdrew in seclusion from her family to a place facing east.
She placed a screen (to screen herself) from them; then We sent to her Our Ruh [angel Jibrael (Gabriel)], and he appeared before her in the form of a man in all respects.

She said: "Verily! I seek refuge with the Most Beneficent (Allah) from you, if you do fear Allah."

(The angel) said: "I am only a Messenger from your Lord, (to announce) to you the gift of a righteous son."
She said: "How can I have a son, when no man has touched me, nor am I unchaste?"

He said: "So (it will be), your Lord said: 'That is easy for Me (Allah): And (We wish) to appoint him as a sign to mankind and a mercy from Us (Allah), and it is a matter (already) decreed, (by Allah).”

So she conceived him, and she withdrew with him to a far place (i.e. Bethlehem valley about 4-6 miles from Jerusalem).
And the pains of childbirth drove her to the trunk of a date-palm. She said: "Would that I had died before this, and had been forgotten and out of sight!"
Then [the babe 'Iesa (Jesus) or Jibrael (Gabriel)] cried unto her from below her, saying: "Grieve not! Your Lord has provided a water stream under you;

And shake the trunk of date-palm towards you, it will let fall fresh ripe-dates upon you."
Then she brought him (the baby) to her people, carrying him. They said: "O Mary! Indeed you have brought a thing Fariya (an unheard mighty thing).

"O sister (i.e. the like) of Harun (Aaron) [not the brother of Musa (Moses), but he was another pious man at the time of Maryam (Mary)]! Your father was not a man who used to commit adultery, nor your mother was an unchaste woman."

Then she pointed to him. They said: "How can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle?"
"And He has made me blessed wheresoever I be, and has enjoined on me Salat (prayer), and Zakat, as long as I live."

"And dutiful to my mother, and made me not arrogant, unblest.
"And Salam (peace) be upon me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I shall be raised alive!"
Such is 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary). (it is) a statement of truth, about which they doubt (or dispute).






Isa was neither stones nor crucified

And because of their saying (in boast), "We killed Messiah 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allah," - but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but the resemblance of 'Iesa (Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that man), and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed him not [i.e. 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary) ]:
 
Flankerl

Flankerl

Well-Known Member
Saint Frankenstein said:
Well, you've insulted my God and you've insulted the Blessed Virgin. How am I supposed to take that?
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Uhm do you in any way see the irony in you saying that?

lol


Limo said:
These are not facts but lies
Mariam is the best woman all over human being
She didn't do adultery
If she did adultery, why she wasn't stoned according to the law ?
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This just in, not everyone who does something bad has to pay for it. Life truly is a mysterious thing.
 
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