Is the Arab World's explusion of Jews news to you?

[Shad]

What do you know about me to say "didn't know history, lack any education" ?

Since you were unaware of the slave trade, slave expeditions and imperialism of the Ottomans it was an obvious conclusion.

My friend, If you want to debate with someone who doesn't share your culture, religion, may be geography,,,
Don't assume that he's reading the same books!!!
Don't assume that he agrees with what is written in your books!!!

You made a claim about history that was wrong. It doesn't matter what books you have or have not read. Even a basic search using google can lead you to many sources confirming what I have said. Even a basic understanding of what imperialism means confirms my point. Even an understanding of what slavery is confirms my point.

You've your books, I've mine. Where is reality ? Which one is true ?

You cited no books and history is pretty much settled on the part of history you brought up.

 

[Tumah]

I know that you see him as a false-messiah but he wasn't like any other one.

In what way was he not like any other one?

He shouldn't have been ignored in Judaic history.

What use do we have for recording liars?

Yes, he didn't made the Christianity. He never knew about it even but he was different. A considerable no of Jews followed him.

A considerable number of Jews followed other false messiahs as well. There is no difference. Sabbatai Zvi was another Jewish false messiah that almost wrecked European Jewry and its effects are still felt in Judaism today.

There is no difference between Jesus and any other false messiah. He is not worth remembering more than any other.

 

[Tumah]

No kidding in history.
Facts talk.
Are there non-Muslims in all areas that were under Islamic Caliphate or not ?

My friend. How did Islam spread throughout the Middle East? It wasn't because Sahaba went around preaching Islam. They conquered the Middle East and more. That is the definition of "imperialism". You said "Muslims were not imperialistic capital colonize who steal the wealth and slave people". But that's almost exactly what Muslims were. They spread Islam through imperialism and made the conquered nations give 50% of their harvest (as we discussed earlier) to them.

 

[Limo]

In what way was he not like any other one?

What use do we have for recording liars?

A considerable number of Jews followed other false messiahs as well. There is no difference. Sabbatai Zvi was another Jewish false messiah that almost wrecked European Jewry and its effects are still felt in Judaism today.

There is no difference between Jesus and any other false messiah. He is not worth remembering more than any other.

He's different as he created the biggest influence in history Even with Pauline-Christianity,

Anyway, this is a noticeable assurance that Jesus-Christ or Al-Masseh has no records in Judaic history

 

[Tumah]

He's different as he created the biggest influence in history Even with Pauline-Christianity

No he didn't. Paul did. Without Paul, Christianity probably would have died out along with the all the other Jewish splinter sects of the time. Its only because Paul started serving it to non-Jews that it eventually reached Constantine. Its Constantine who is probably the most responsible for Christianity's existence today when he spread it throughout the Roman empire.

Anyway, this is a noticeable assurance that Jesus-Christ or Al-Masseh has no records in Judaic history

I don't know what you are saying.

 

[Limo]

My friend. How did Islam spread throughout the Middle East? It wasn't because Sahaba went around preaching Islam. They conquered the Middle East and more. That is the definition of "imperialism". You said "Muslims were not imperialistic capital colonize who steal the wealth and slave people". But that's almost exactly what Muslims were. They spread Islam through imperialism and made the conquered nations give 50% of their harvest (as we discussed earlier) to them.

Yes, Muslims opened all Middle East but also most of Europe, India, Iberia as well but the objective was the regimes not the people. For individual, compulsion in religion is Haram (forbidden) in Islam Quran 2:256" There is no compulsion in religion. Verily, the Right Path has become distinct from the wrong path. Whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah, then he has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that will never break. And Allah is All-Hearer, All-Knower"

If Islam is spread due to conquering, then Islam would have been dominant in Europe and India for Example. Also Islam spread in Africa and far east Malaysia and Indonesia without single soldier.

As I explained the share of 50% of Khaibar harvest was the best deal at that time, Even Prophet himself tried to offer this to his enemy at a similar circumstance.

In all areas were under control of Islamic Caliphate, non-Muslims were asked to pay Jezia (tax for non-Muslim) which is a fixed amount of Dirhams independent on wealth.
Only men were subject to Jezia, women, children, disabled, monks, weak, elders are exempted. In the same time Muslims were paying Zakat (tax for Muslims) 2.5% of their wealth.

Where is stealing of wealth in this taxation system ?

 

[LuisDantas]

Anyway, this is a noticeable assurance that Jesus-Christ or Al-Masseh has no records in Judaic history

If I had to guess, I would guess that what you mean to say here is that the existence and divine blessing of Jesus should be taken for granted as actual, inquestionable facts and that you will therefore interpret the refusal of the Jewish people in acknowledging Jesus as a prophet should be considered an admission of denial of a genuine messenger of God.

You sure sound eager to consider people "kuffar".

 

[Limo]

No he didn't. Paul did. Without Paul, Christianity probably would have died out along with the all the other Jewish splinter sects of the time. Its only because Paul started serving it to non-Jews that it eventually reached Constantine. Its Constantine who is probably the most responsible for Christianity's existence today when he spread it throughout the Roman empire.

OK

I don't know what you are saying.

I mean, I confirm my understanding that you've nothing about Jesus-Christ

 

[Limo]

If I had to guess, I would guess that what you mean to say here is that the existence and divine blessing of Jesus should be taken for granted as actual, inquestionable facts and that you will therefore interpret the refusal of the Jewish people in acknowledging Jesus as a prophet should be considered an admission of denial of a genuine messenger of God.

You sure sound eager to consider people "kuffar".

Very funny

How did you assume all this from my words ?
How do you say something I never said or mean it and never in my belief ?
You see how you're prisoned in prejudgement and stereotype about Islam and Muslim

 

[LuisDantas]

OK


I mean, I confirm my understanding that you've nothing about Jesus-Christ

Do you have any idea of how many false Messiahs exist, even living today?

There is one that lived in the city I am currently in and went to the one I left to come here. He likes to record music videos where the singers hold bell peppers to their mouths.

There is no point in insisting on paying attention to them.

 

[LuisDantas]

Very funny

How did you assume all this from my words ?

By discarding the other likely interpretations that made less sense.

How do you say something I never said or mean it and never in my belief ?
You see how you're prisoned in prejudgement and stereotype about Islam and Muslim

No. And your recurrent refusal to explain how I might conceivably be mistaken is not helping on that regard.

 

[Limo]

By discarding the other likely interpretations that made less sense.


No. And your recurrent refusal to explain how I might conceivably be mistaken is not helping on that regard.

Sorry, this is not personal. These thoughts don't worth to comment on it.

 

[icehorse]

If Islam is spread due to conquering, then Islam would have been dominant in Europe and India for Example. Also Islam spread in Africa and far east Malaysia and Indonesia without single soldier.

For the last 1000 years or so Muslims have done very little scholarship outside of bickering about how to interpret Islamic scripture. The history you've been taught is simply false. This is just a guess, but it appears to me that you're attempting to argue against a thousand years of dedicated scholarship with some propaganda that a few Muslims cooked up.

 

[Limo]

For the last 1000 years or so Muslims have done very little scholarship outside of bickering about how to interpret Islamic scripture. The history you've been taught is simply false. This is just a guess, but it appears to me that you're attempting to argue against a thousand years of dedicated scholarship with some propaganda that a few Muslims cooked up.

Congratulation, You're the winner. You have excelled them all.
Keep going, I'm sure you'll excel yourself.

Bring all what is in you out, you might feel better.
Regards

 

[LuisDantas]

Sorry, this is not personal. These thoughts don't worth to comment on it.

As you wish.

The direct consequence, however, is that there is no reason to consider what you say - since you keep refusing to offer any support or evidence for it.

 

[icehorse]

Congratulation, You're the winner. You have excelled them all.
Keep going, I'm sure you'll excel yourself.

Bring all what is in you out, you might feel better.
Regards

I am not arguing about you, I am arguing about your claims.

 

[Limo]

I am not arguing about you, I am arguing about your claims.

I know that you're talking about Islam not on me.

 

[icehorse]

I know that you're talking about Islam not on me.

Let me give you just one example: You claimed that Muslims spread through Africa without using the sword. That simply could NOT be further from the truth. So how did you come to that understanding?

 

[Limo]

Let me give you just one example: You claimed that Muslims spread through Africa without using the sword. That simply could NOT be further from the truth. So how did you come to that understanding?

If you ask a question, I'll answer.

The Arabic/Islamic army in the 7th century opened the northern coast of Africa only Egypt, Libya, Tunisia, Algeria, and Morocco but you'll find Muslims in almost all over Africa til the far south.

Most of these Muslims and their countries were never under Islamic Caliphate.

I'm not sure how accurate this map of Islam in Africa

 

[Tumah]

Yes, Muslims opened all Middle East but also most of Europe, India, Iberia as well but the objective was the regimes not the people. For individual, compulsion in religion is Haram (forbidden) in Islam Quran 2:256" There is no compulsion in religion. Verily, the Right Path has become distinct from the wrong path. Whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah, then he has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that will never break. And Allah is All-Hearer, All-Knower"

If Islam is spread due to conquering, then Islam would have been dominant in Europe and India for Example. Also Islam spread in Africa and far east Malaysia and Indonesia without single soldier.

As I explained the share of 50% of Khaibar harvest was the best deal at that time, Even Prophet himself tried to offer this to his enemy at a similar circumstance.

In all areas were under control of Islamic Caliphate, non-Muslims were asked to pay Jezia (tax for non-Muslim) which is a fixed amount of Dirhams independent on wealth.
Only men were subject to Jezia, women, children, disabled, monks, weak, elders are exempted. In the same time Muslims were paying Zakat (tax for Muslims) 2.5% of their wealth.

Where is stealing of wealth in this taxation system ?

Every single word you wrote here is completely irrelevant. You said the Muslims were not imperialistic, yet they were as we've demonstrated. You said they weren't taking people's wealth, which they were. Whether it was the best deal or the worst deal, they were doing exactly what you said they weren't. Which is why I asked you if you were joking.