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Is the Arab World's explusion of Jews news to you?

Limo

Active Member
What revisionist nonsense is this? Are you honestly trying to pretend that Muslims were any better than contemporary non-Muslims? Of course they enslaved people, stole their wealth and colonised all over the place. Look what happened in Persia; unless you think the Parsis were fleeing from Muslim tolerance and polite discourse? North Africa, the Levant and Mesopotamia didn't start out as Arab majority regions!
This is the problem. You didn't study the current or history of the area deeply.
Arab as a race were/are/will be minority. All Middle east is Arabic from language and culture perspective but not as a race.
So, Majority of people living in Persia are not from Arabic original race. They are Persian who chose Islam.
Yes, they chose Islam because of tolerance, polite discourse, true religion, make sense religion. For your Info Iran is not even an Arabic speaking country.

Same for Egyptian, Majority is from Pharaohs race. They chose Islam. They used Arabic as a language and living Arabic culture.
Same north African Berbers or Amazighs in North Africa.
All these countries are not Arabic Race, they are Arabic language and culture. They're the local people.

What about Malaysia, Indonesia, Nigeria, Mali, Somalia, Chad,,,, non Arabic Islamic countries. Arabs were never their as governor but visitors.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
You realize that you are switching your focus from Islaam and Muslims to Arabic ethnic and language groups in order to attempt to avoid @A Greased Scotsman 's arguments, don't you, @Limo ?

I wonder why you even tried. You are not going to convince many - if any - people that way. You are not even attempting to deal with the matter of oppression, perhaps because you hope that we will assume that you somehow did?
 

Lyndon

"Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
Premium Member
I'm not finding your arguments convincing at all, Luis.
 

Limo

Active Member
You realize that you are switching your focus from Islaam and Muslims to Arabic ethnic and language groups in order to attempt to avoid @A Greased Scotsman 's arguments, don't you, @Limo ?

I wonder why you even tried. You are not going to convince many - if any - people that way. You are not even attempting to deal with the matter of oppression, perhaps because you hope that we will assume that you somehow did?
Why you didn't answer my question in # 77 and provide evidences on your claims against me ?

Do you know your problem Non-ME people ?
You know myths about ME. You know a few things that have been transferred to you most of it is encapsulated in hate and ignorance of ME, Arabs, Islam,,,,

You don't know the difference between Arabic race, language, and culture

I address all arguments directed to me but you just disliked. Most of time, you can't argue back. This is the issue.

My aim is not to convince someone to change his prejudgement and Stereotypes.

I'm targeting for rethink, reread, challenge the settled statements.
I'm targeting people who are able to think and don't have fixed/rigid thoughts
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Why you didn't answer my question in # 77 and provide evidences on your claims against me ?

Against your claims, you mean.

Why? Frankly, because you gave me nothing worth the trouble of putting down. All of it was already crumbling under its own weight. People know about Islaam's history. Even the Qur'an itself denies your claims.

By the way, I am waiting for your answer to my own #82. Do you realize that you switched the focus from oppressive religious indoctrination towards linguistic and ethnic diversity without even attempting to show why that is warranted?


Do you know your problem Non-ME people ?
Many and varied they are, actually.

You know myths about ME. You know a few things that have been transferred to you most of it is encapsulated in hate and ignorance of ME, Arabs, Islam,,,,

While at the same time much of our ignorance works towards protecting its reputation, often without proper justification.

So shall we attempt to actually learn something instead of pointing fingers pointlessly, if you don't mind?

You don't know the difference between Arabic race, language, and culture

That is quite true, but you have not attempted to explain how that would apply here in any significant way.

I address all arguments directed to me but you just disliked. Most of time, you can't address back. This is the issue.

I don't remember that happening in this thread. Feel free to point out any posts where that may have happened.

My aim is not to convince someone to change his prejudgement and Stereotypes.

What is your aim, then?

Is that why you are not presenting relevant arguments?


I'm targeting for rethink, reread, challenge the settled statements.
I'm targeting people who are able to think and don't have fixed/rigid thoughts
That sounds a lot like what you just said you would not aim to do, but that is for the better anyway.

In any case, it would help if you presented actual reasons or arguments instead of patent untruths, attempts at misdirection and obfuscation.
 

Limo

Active Member
Against your claims, you mean.

Why? Frankly, because you gave me nothing worth the trouble of putting down. All of it was already crumbling under its own weight. People know about Islaam's history. Even the Qur'an itself denies your claims.

By the way, I am waiting for your answer to my own #82. Do you realize that you switched the focus from oppressive religious indoctrination towards linguistic and ethnic diversity without even attempting to show why that is warranted?



Many and varied they are, actually.



While at the same time much of our ignorance works towards protecting its reputation, often without proper justification.

So shall we attempt to actually learn something instead of pointing fingers pointlessly, if you don't mind?



That is quite true, but you have not attempted to explain how that would apply here in any significant way.



I don't remember that happening in this thread. Feel free to point out any posts where that may have happened.



What is your aim, then?

Is that why you are not presenting relevant arguments?



That sounds a lot like what you just said you would not aim to do, but that is for the better anyway.

In any case, it would help if you presented actual reasons or arguments instead of patent untruths, attempts at misdirection and obfuscation.
I'll explain the difference between Arabic race, language , and culture
Regards
 

Limo

Active Member
You realize that you are switching your focus from Islaam and Muslims to Arabic ethnic and language groups in order to attempt to avoid @A Greased Scotsman 's arguments, don't you, @Limo ?

I wonder why you even tried. You are not going to convince many - if any - people that way. You are not even attempting to deal with the matter of oppression, perhaps because you hope that we will assume that you somehow did?

Let me explain the point.

Arabic race : Lived in Arabic Penuila. It's a desert with a few places with water. Population is very very small compared with people lives around river in Iraq, Egypt, syria,,,, They consisted of 3 groups before Islam
  • Original Arabs : people who lived in Arabic peninsula before prophet Ibrahim brought his wife Hagar and his first son Ismail to.
  • Vanished Arabs : people who lived in Arabic peninsula but vanished by Allah as they didn't accept their prophets. Don't exist anymore. I don't know if they're mentioned in Bible or not:
  • Arabized Arab : descendants of Ismeel who is son of Ibrahim. They're cousins of Jews. They're Semitic too. Ibrahim who is originally from Iraqi but settled in Palestine. One day Allah asked his to take his wife Hagar and son Ismail to Makka. It was a desert without water at that time. Then Allah created a well of water Zamzam to them which still flows till date. Then some original Arabs came and live with them formulated Makka city. Ibrahim and Ismail have built the Kaaba. As Ismail descendants spoken Arabic and lived in Arabic area. They are considered Arabs by language and geography not by race.
At the end of the day all became Arabs but reality is Ismail's descendants are Semitic in race and cousins of Israels sharing the same race.

At that time (even till date), Arabic peninsula is the least population. The Arabs who invaded all ME countries like Iraqi, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt, North Africa, were in a few tens of thousand. The biggest army in the biggest battles were 40-60 thousands.
For example, the army who invaded Palestine, Egypt, and north Africa was 4000 soldiers only.

By time, the local people of Turkey, Pakistan, Central Asia, Persia, India, Iraqi, Syria, Jordan, Palestine, Egypt, Sudan, North Africa, Spain, Portugal, south France accepted Islam.
By time, Arabic became the dominant language in some countries but not in all. Also, Islam became dominant religion for these locals in some countries but not all.
The countries that Arabic language became dominant are considered Arabic countries but as I explained they're not Arabic race, they're not even Semitic race.

These counties are considered Arabic from Language and culture perspective.

Some countries Islam became dominant among local but they kept their own language like Iran,Turkey, Pakistan, Central Asia, Persia,

Some countries Islam was/is minority religion and kept their original language India, Spain, Portugal, south France. Even the Muslim minorities (Jews, Unitarians as well) were subject to Inquests. They've to change their religion to Christianity or killed or aborted.

The total number of Arabic people who immigrated with Islam outside Arabic Peninsula is much less that the population of any country have become Arabic in language or Muslims in religion.

So, there is no point or logic to say "Can Arabs/Muslim give the countries back to original local people". They're the original local people.
Most of Egyptian Muslims are original local Muslims. Same in Palestine, Iraqi, Syria, Lebanon, Sudan,,,,



Regards
 

Flankerl

Well-Known Member
Nobody can change Allah's law to any prophet, Only Allah can do. Allah does via prophets.
Al-Maseh Isa was a prophet from Allah as Mosa. He didn't change the commandments, Allah told him that some foods that were forbidden (Haram) on Israelis they can eat now (Halal).

Quran 3:50 "And I have come confirming that which was before me of the Taurat (Torah), and to make lawful to you part of what was forbidden to you, and I have come to you with a proof from your Lord. So fear Allah and obey me."

You can quote the Quran till your fingers fall off, it has absolutely no importance to me and I don't believe in any of it.


Since when ? Which one ?
There should be something in Al-Masseh Isa Ibn Mariam time tells that he was true or false Messiah.
Also, If you're taking about Jesus-Christ innovated character in Nicaea and after, I don't believe even that he existed.
We're talking about the humble human who was Israelis lived in Palestine as one of Israelis prophets, neither a God nor Son of God, lived according to Mosa's laws, monotheist. He has many followers. He should have been notices at his time even as a false Messiah
Regards

Okay but what do I care about some false Messiah?

We got more than enough of them already so one who was killed by the Romans isn't that important.
After all the Romans killed quite some Jews.

Great revolt: 250,000 – 1.1 millionc Jews killed; enslavement of 97,000; Kitos War: annihilation of Jewish communities in Cyprus, Cyrenaica and Alexandria; Bar Kokhba revolt: 400,000 – 580,000a civilians and militia massacred,
985 Judean villages razed

ZT"L | HY"D
 

Limo

Active Member
You can quote the Quran till your fingers fall off, it has absolutely no importance to me and I don't believe in any of it.
It was not for your quote purpose, It's for info for anyone who reads the comment.
Who asked you to believe in Quran ?
Quran is for Sons of Light.

Okay but what do I care about some false Messiah?

We got more than enough of them already so one who was killed by the Romans isn't that important.
After all the Romans killed quite some Jews.

Great revolt: 250,000 – 1.1 millionc Jews killed; enslavement of 97,000; Kitos War: annihilation of Jewish communities in Cyprus, Cyrenaica and Alexandria; Bar Kokhba revolt: 400,000 – 580,000a civilians and militia massacred,
985 Judean villages razed

ZT"L | HY"D
Isa Ibn Mariam is not like any false messiah.
If I and you believe that Jesus-Christ doesn't exist, doesn't hide the fact that there was a very different person.
The false Jesus-Christ character is built on a real person.
"no smoke without fire"

He should have been a noticeable person in the Israelis history.
Although you had enough from false-messiah, many of them have been recorded, What about the most effective one ?
Believe him or not, He's Al-Masseh Isa Ibn Mariam

No-Doubt that his history have been wiped/hided.
 

Limo

Active Member
And you have such certainty, because...?
Al-Masseh the human is a real person. He is Israeli who lived in Palestine.
No doubt he has high influence. He has true followers among Israelis. Actually, all his followers during his life on earth were Israelis only.

Simply "No Smoke without Fire"
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Al-Masseh the human is a real person. He is Israeli who lived in Palestine.
No doubt he has high influence. He has true followers among Israelis. Actually, all his followers during his life on earth were Israelis only.

Simply "No Smoke without Fire"
Again, you are not really answering my question. It is far from clear that Jesus even existed.
 

Shad

Veteran Member
No kidding in history.
Facts talk.
Are there non-Muslims in all areas that were under Islamic Caliphate or not ?

Go look up the Ottoman Empire and it's slave trade. Historical facts talk, you just are ignorant of history.
 

Limo

Active Member
Again, you are not really answering my question. It is far from clear that Jesus even existed.
If you noticed, I believe Jesus-Christ doesn't exist but this myth character is built on the remains of true humble person Isa Al-Masseh.

The other side of answer is inconvenient for you as it's based on my belief.

This is why I relay on historical "No Smoke without Fire"
 

Limo

Active Member
Go look up the Ottoman Empire and it's slave trade. Historical facts talk, you just are ignorant of history.
Usually, I don't address talks that target me personally not the subject.

I'll respond when you've something valuable to address
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
If you noticed, I believe Jesus-Christ doesn't exist but this myth character is built on the remains of true humble person Isa Al-Masseh.

The other side of answer is inconvenient for you as it's based on my belief.

This is why I relay on historical "No Smoke without Fire"
In other words, you want both to offer no argument and to claim that you did.

Acknowledged.
 

Shad

Veteran Member
Usually, I don't address talks that target me personally not the subject.

I addressed the subject. I then pointed out you didn't know history as this is evident since you have no idea regarding the slavery under the Ottomans

I'll respond when you've something valuable to address

All you are doing is ignoring my point which refutes your claims since I pointed out you lack any education when it comes to history. This is uncomfortable fact for you so you use this irrelevant basis to reject that history shows you are wrong.

Try again.
 

Limo

Active Member
I addressed the subject. I then pointed out you didn't know history as this is evident since you have no idea regarding the slavery under the Ottomans



All you are doing is ignoring my point which refutes your claims since I pointed out you lack any education when it comes to history. This is uncomfortable fact for you so you use this irrelevant basis to reject that history shows you are wrong.

Try again.
What do you know about me to say "didn't know history, lack any education" ?

My friend, If you want to debate with someone who doesn't share your culture, religion, may be geography,,,
Don't assume that he's reading the same books!!!
Don't assume that he agrees with what is written in your books!!!

You've your books, I've mine. Where is reality ? Which one is true ?
 
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