I don't think that was me.
I am saying it is best to ask God if everything written is what God says.
I don't think we should talk about hell because it can mean a lot of things.
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Is the Bible too Contradictory for All of it to be True?
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I am saying it is best to ask God if everything written is what God says.
I don't think we should talk about hell because it can mean a lot of things.
He gives us Teh Holy Spirit to guide us into the truth abut God, and the Bible.
He assures us that He loves us and will never leave or forsake us.
He assures us that we can't lose the free gift of God---our salvation. He blesses us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places---Eph 1:3
He teaches us that if we confess or sins, not only will He forgive them, He will not remember them,
He tells us when we finish our life on earth, he has prepared a place for us in God's heavenly house.
All this and more just for putting our faith in His Son. If That is not good news, their ain't none.
Did he tell you that the Bible is what God says? All of it? Every word is right?
Yes and He did it from 2 Tim 3:16.
I can't find the post where you mentioned 2 Pet 2:21 and Heb 6:6. I know there was at least 1 more but I don't remember what it was. So I will reply to the ones I remember.
First, there are many simple and clear verses that say we can't lose our salvation. I gave you 2, but there are many more. I will give you one more because I always start my study with a general rule---don't use a difficult verse to refute a simple verse.
I Pet 1:23 - For you have been born again, not of seed which is perishable, but imperishable, that is through the living and enduring word of God.
One only needs to know the definition of "imperishable" to understand what is being taught.
2 Pet 2:21-22
In context, starting in verse one, this whole chapter is not abut salvation, it is about false prophets---those who tell other what God told them but He did not. The way of Balaam is his thinking if Israel would commit great sins, God would curse them and he offered his services to a pagan king for money. He prostituted his office.
It would have been better if he has not known the way of righteousness than to know it and ignore it. God may take "I didn't know" as an acceptable excuse and grant them His grace.
Heb 6:6
This is about salvation and it is written about Christians. The context starts in 5:12. Certainly Christians can fall away from their faith. then it is impossible for man to renew them, but to think an omnipotent God who can speak the universe into being, can't or wont renew someone He loves is foolishness. Their God is to small and lacking in compassion.
Mt 19:26 - And looking at them Jesus said, "with people, this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.
Let me give you an allegory that teaches the same thing. Being born again, teaches us a spiritual truth using a literal truth we all understand. We play the same part in our spiritual birth that we played in our physical birth---nothing.
My son, good, bad or indifferent, will always be my son. That is a biological fact that can't be changed---his conduct can't affect his relationship to me. It can only affect our fellowship, and that can be restored even among humans.
If you want me to address the other(s) you mentioned, mention them again when you repy to his post.
That was spoken by Paul to Timothy before the Bible was complied. It most certainly refers to what Timothy knew as holy writings. We do not know what he knew.
And it is even possible that a scribe later put in the word all.
14But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have become convinced of, because you know those from whom you learned it 15and how from infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 16All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
It may have been the same person who wrote that we are to obey other people for our salvation.
"All' Scripture applies to all Scripture . That verse doe snot limit itself to what Timothy, which was very little until the canon would be completed.
That can be said about any verse one does not like. Do you have any evidence to support wht you said?
http://biblehub.com/2_timothy/3-14.htm
Written to the servants of God, not just to Timothy.
That is not in the Bible.
No, but neither do you.
I agree, but when it was written the Bible as we know it DID NOT EXIST.
If, like you say, all scripture means what scriptures would be forthcoming I think that God is not a God of confusion, so it would have been written that way.
All scripture that is and will be is god-breathed........
Isn't it? Hebrews 13:17
King James Bible
Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.
New Living Translation
Obey your spiritual leaders, and do what they say. Their work is to watch over your souls, and they are accountable to God. Give them reason to do this with joy and not with sorrow. That would certainly not be for your benefit.
Berean Study Bible
Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they watch over your souls as those who must give an account. To this end, allow them to lead with joy and not with grief, for that would be of no advantage to you.
New American Standard Bible
Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they keep watch over your souls as those who will give an account. Let them do this with joy and not with grief, for this would be unprofitable for you.
I see another contradiction.
It is written that Jesus said to make disciples of him.
People who have argued that point say that by a disciple's fine conduct other people will be drawn to that way of life and some will become disciples because of another person's good behavior.
Be careful not to practice your righteousness in front of others to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven. Matthew 6:1
Does anyone think that maybe it was written DO practice your righteousness to be seen by others?
I don't.
It is written that Jesus said to make disciples of him.
People who have argued that point say that by a disciple's fine conduct other people will be drawn to that way of life and some will become disciples because of another person's good behavior.
Be careful not to practice your righteousness in front of others to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven. Matthew 6:1
Does anyone think that maybe it was written DO practice your righteousness to be seen by others?
I don't.
TPaine
I believe in one God, and the equality of man.
There are 194 contradictions in the New Testament alone:
Whoever calls on the name of the Lord will be saved. Acts 2:21; Romans 10:13
Not everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved. Matthew 7:21
Only those whom the Lord chooses will be saved. Acts 2:39
http://www.skeptically.org/bible/id6.html
Whoever calls on the name of the Lord will be saved. Acts 2:21; Romans 10:13
Not everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved. Matthew 7:21
Only those whom the Lord chooses will be saved. Acts 2:39
http://www.skeptically.org/bible/id6.html
fallingblood
Agnostic Theist
Getting back to the question, my answer would be no, or maybe. Sometimes yes. All of the above.
The Bible definitely has a great amount of contradictions. Some are meaningless, some are quite important. Some books detail very different views from other books, and some even argue against views stated in other books.
If one takes the Bible as the infallible word of G-d, as a single monolithic work from start to end, then yes, it contains too many contradictions to be true as a whole.
However, I am of the view that each book of the Bible needs to be treated separately. While they can help inform each other, they are written for different reasons. And they were written by different individuals, without the intention of them being compiled into a library of texts. That being so, there will be problems, but that's fine. Nearly every work has some problems.
The issue really only arises if one believes that the Bible is the literal Word of G-d. If one doesn't accept it as such, then there really isn't a problem.
Even a casual reading of some parts of it shows that it is not supposed to be "true".
Witness what Lot's daughters did in Genesis 19.
http://www.religiousforums.com/bible/genesis/19:31-38/
Or what passes for moral behavior according to God in
Exodus 21
http://www.religiousforums.com/bible/exodus/21:20-21/
Numbers 5
http://www.religiousforums.com/bible/numbers/5:25-31/
Numbers 31
http://www.religiousforums.com/bible/numbers/31/
Deuteronomy 20
http://www.religiousforums.com/bible/deuteronomy/20:10-20/
II Chronicles 18
http://www.religiousforums.com/bible/2-chronicles/18:19-22/
Matthew 10
http://www.religiousforums.com/bible/matthew/10:34-39/
Galatians 1
http://www.religiousforums.com/bible/galatians/1:8-12/
Skwim
Veteran Member
Jedster
Flying through space
As if Lot didn't know what was going on. Yeah, sure.
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Maybe he drank some super-duper-mega absynth....
Many claimed contradictions in the Bible are simply different viewpoints of the same event. Other seeming contradictions can be resolved in other ways. Consider that the Bible was written over a period of 1,500 years, by dozens of writers separated by time, social standing, education, and geographic location, yet together producing a book harmonious and consistent throughout. To me, this argues for a divine Author who used these men as secretaries to record his Word for all mankind. (2 Timothy 3:16,17)
McBell
Unbound
It is interesting how this bold faced lie is so often repeated.
Many people, me included, who have carefully examined and studied the Bible with an open mind, disagree with your conclusion. I think each person should examine the evidence for themselves. Do you agree?
McBell
Unbound
I do think each person should examine the Bible for themselves.
I also think that bold faced lie should stop being presented.
fallingblood
Agnostic Theist
Its not that amazing that such a work would be created. In the United States, we have works spanning a couple hundred years that produce an over all story. I can look at Egyptian writings, and book together a book that consists of works spread out over centuries as well.
What has to be remembered is that there were dozens of books that didn't make the cut. Canons were debated. Various groups held different canons. It was only after decades and centuries that all the books were finally pulled together into something that was seen as "whole."