Is the Far Right in America Morally Bankrupt?

[Francine]

Here is how Shrub supports our troops:
Bush "Veto" Cancels Bonuses For Troops

Halliburton has billed taxpayers more than $1.4 billion in questionable and unsupported charges for logistics and other services in Iraq, according to USA Today. I suppose the troops will have to sacrifice their bonuses to make up this shortfall.

 

[Scuba Pete]

I bet our support for this war would wane, if the only to vote to support the war is to volunteer to fight in it.

 

[Francine]

I bet our support for this war would wane, if the only to vote to support the war is to volunteer to fight in it.

The same should go for waterboarding. No public official can advocate waterboarding until he or she undergoes waterboarding.

 

[Scuba Pete]

Waterboarding? I don't get it.

 

[Francine]

Waterboarding? I don't get it.

Waterboarding - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[PureX]

Equally, where's the proof that the Republicans as a whole were in on the lie?

Republicans as a whole were not in on the lie. What they were is behind the Bush administration in blind lockstep, no matter WHAT lunacy he was dragging the nation into. And the Congress and Senates are STILL deadlocked because the republicans are STILL backing most everything the Bush administration does.

I think it of as a White House vs. Congress rather than Dem. vs. Repub. type of thing. Heck, once we were in Iraq even the level of trust between Paul Bremer and the White House proves to me that this is not a partisan issue.

It has been an INSANELY partisan issue as the republicans continue to back the worst president in U.S. history rather than support ANY democratic initiatives for change.

Also, the information given by the CIA which states Bush was told that Iraq had no WMD's, thereby showing Bush was actually lying by definition, was not given to either branch of Congress nor either political party. It was information held by Bush, the CIA and perhaps by other senior White House officials.

The contrary information was available, though I agree it was not being promoted or offered to anyone, and a few people in Congress and the Senate were aware of it, and a few of them voted against the war as a result. The memo that called into question the credibility of that guy who was selling us the song and dance about Saddam's poison gas factory was around on the Hill, and if anyone had bothered to root around a little bit, they would have found it. But the bottom line is that most of these people are awash in information and they just didn't bother making the effort to seek out all the information available to them on this subject. And the Bush administration was doing everything it could to keep them from doing it.

Apparently, no one in Congress held information that Iraq had no WMD's.

The international inspectors SAID he had no WMDs only months before we invaded. But by then the war machine was rolling, and no one had the guts to dare stand in front of it. The democrats definitely share some of the blame, including Hillary Clinton, but they didn't deliberately start a war.

 

[Reverend Rick]

It has been an INSANELY partisan issue as the republicans continue to back the worst president in U.S. history rather than support ANY democratic initiatives for change.

I would say that is because we are happy with the way things are at the present time. George W. Bush is doing exactly what we elected him to do. Why would we want to change anything?

 

[Scuba Pete]

Waterboarding - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Holy crap! This administration is OUT OF CONTROL.

 

[Scuba Pete]

The international inspectors SAID he had no WMDs only months before we invaded. But by then the war machine was rolling, and no one had the guts to dare stand in front of it.

The mean spiritedness and ruthlessness of this War Machine was reminiscent of the McCarthy era. Only a FEW really strong politicians spoke out against it!

As much as a pacifist that I am, I could NOT find it within myself to speak out against our actions in Afghanistan. They did this legally and without fault. But really, since 9/11 we were basically under a quasi Marshall law. They RAILROADED this as well as other legislation down our throats. I was vocal then and this is when I first started calling him Shrub.

 

[gnomon]

Republicans as a whole were not in on the lie. What they were is behind the Bush administration in blind lockstep, no matter WHAT lunacy he was dragging the nation into. And the Congress and Senates are STILL deadlocked because the republicans are STILL backing most everything the Bush administration does.
It has been an INSANELY partisan issue as the republicans continue to back the worst president in U.S. history rather than support ANY democratic initiatives for change.
The contrary information was available, though I agree it was not being promoted or offered to anyone, and a few people in Congress and the Senate were aware of it, and a few of them voted against the war as a result. The memo that called into question the credibility of that guy who was selling us the song and dance about Saddam's poison gas factory was around on the Hill, and if anyone had bothered to root around a little bit, they would have found it. But the bottom line is that most of these people are awash in information and they just didn't bother making the effort to seek out all the information available to them on this subject. And the Bush administration was doing everything it could to keep them from doing it.
The international inspectors SAID he had no WMDs only months before we invaded. But by then the war machine was rolling, and no one had the guts to dare stand in front of it. The democrats definitely share some of the blame, including Hillary Clinton, but they didn't deliberately start a war.

And international inspectors were kept out of most of the inspection sites before Bush even put his name in for the nomination.

What scale shall we use to determine who is more bankrupt. One's stated affiliation doesn't matter if they are guilty of the exact same action. So basically, my initial assertion stands.

 

[capslockf9]

American democracy has been Highjacked - via lobby money.

All suicide bombers on 9/11 were saudis not iraqis.
Chenny leaked penelope blane to stop the report on the uranium.
Several UN inspectors were fired until the "right man" was found.

 

[yossarian22]

I would say that is because we are happy with the way things are at the present time. George W. Bush is doing exactly what we elected him to do. Why would we want to change anything?

:areyoucra
Want me to make a list of the royal ****-ups this administration has made? If you are satisfied with the way things are now, you are purposely ignoring the stagnant, putrid cesspit we are in.

 

[PureX]

And international inspectors were kept out of most of the inspection sites before Bush even put his name in for the nomination.

Actually not. They were at first, and for years, but they were eventually allowed to go pretty much wherever they wanted to, and when they gave their final report they were satisfied that they had seen what there was to see. And the accuracy of their report bears that out. But this was not what the Bush administration wanted to hear, so they simply ignored it.

What scale shall we use to determine who is more bankrupt. One's stated affiliation doesn't matter if they are guilty of the exact same action. So basically, my initial assertion stands.

But they are not guilty of the same action, which is why your assertion does not stand. The Bush administration purposely lied to justify an unjust attack on another nation. The republicans backed the Bush administration in this because they wanted just as badly to believe that what Bush was saying was true, and to attack Iraq, as he did.

The democrats capitulated in this matter because they didn't take the time to seriously evaluate the evidence and because they were too afraid to dare stand in front of the war machine and call for a re-evaluation or debate. So was the press, for that matter. It took great courage for anyone at that time to dare stand up to the war mongers once their lust for blood and profits had been set in motion. But they have at least since admitted they were wrong, and that the invasion was wrong. The republicans still can't even do that, even though most of them now realize that we were wrong to invade Iraq.

 

[Reverend Rick]

:areyoucra
Want me to make a list of the royal ****-ups this administration has made? If you are satisfied with the way things are now, you are purposely ignoring the stagnant, putrid cesspit we are in.

Yossarian, People living paycheck to paycheck most likely are living beyond there means and are racking up credit card debt instead of saving a percentage of their income like they should to be responsible.

We are experiencing a much needed correction right now. The smart investor can make money in any economy. If you are in a stagnant putrid cesspit, you need to reconsider the path you are taking. What worked years ago might not in the future and vice versa.

 

[McBell]

:areyoucra
Want me to make a list of the royal ****-ups this administration has made? If you are satisfied with the way things are now, you are purposely ignoring the stagnant, putrid cesspit we are in.

Yossarian, People living paycheck to paycheck most likely are living beyond there means and are racking up credit card debt instead of saving a percentage of their income like they should to be responsible.

We are experiencing a much needed correction right now. The smart investor can make money in any economy. If you are in a stagnant putrid cesspit, you need to reconsider the path you are taking. What worked years ago might not in the future and vice versa.

I would have to say that this is his way of saying "no, I do not want a list."

 

[Francine]

That's what the Far Right likes to say about the term "morally bankrupt" whenever they're caught with their pants down.

The Far Right doesn't just have a few cases of moral bankruptcy, they have a whole moral sub-prime meltdown going on.

 

[gnomon]

Actually not. They were at first, and for years, but they were eventually allowed to go pretty much wherever they wanted to, and when they gave their final report they were satisfied that they had seen what there was to see. And the accuracy of their report bears that out. But this was not what the Bush administration wanted to hear, so they simply ignored it.
But they are not guilty of the same action, which is why your assertion does not stand. The Bush administration purposely lied to justify an unjust attack on another nation. The republicans backed the Bush administration in this because they wanted just as badly to believe that what Bush was saying was true, and to attack Iraq, as he did.

The democrats capitulated in this matter because they didn't take the time to seriously evaluate the evidence and because they were too afraid to dare stand in front of the war machine and call for a re-evaluation or debate. So was the press, for that matter. It took great courage for anyone at that time to dare stand up to the war mongers once their lust for blood and profits had been set in motion. But they have at least since admitted they were wrong, and that the invasion was wrong. The republicans still can't even do that, even though most of them now realize that we were wrong to invade Iraq.

I'll concede.

I definitely agree with the portion I highlighted.

 

[Scuba Pete]

It's amazing how being a part of the Religious Right confers upon you a certain ability to justify your actions in spite of your professed beliefs. Not only do they justify their own actions, but they castigate others for NOT acting in a similar hypocritical fashion.

 

[yossarian22]

Yossarian, People living paycheck to paycheck most likely are living beyond there means and are racking up credit card debt instead of saving a percentage of their income like they should to be responsible.

We are experiencing a much needed correction right now. The smart investor can make money in any economy. If you are in a stagnant putrid cesspit, you need to reconsider the path you are taking. What worked years ago might not in the future and vice versa.

Reread what I said. This has nothing to do with the point I was making.

My offer still stands.

 

[zippythepinhead]

Megga dittos. Glad to join in. I have two right wings and enjoy debate. I am for Mitt.