Is the Far Right in America Morally Bankrupt?

[gnomon]

You're skipping over the part where the Bush administration did everything they could to promote the illusion that Iraq was a deadly threat, while continually and purposely ignoring any and all evidence to the contrary. They WANTED that war in the worst way, and they lied through their teeth to the american people, and to their fellow politicians, over and over and over, and they are STILL lying about it, to justify what they've done.

Yes, the democrats did vote to support this invasion, but they did so thinking that the information the Bush administration was giving them was true. I agree that they SHOULD have checked the information out for themselves, and had they done so, they might have stopped this fiasco before it began. The few lawmakers who did actually check out the evidence were the same few who actually voted against it. So most of those other democrats are guilty of negligence, but it was the republicans that were outright lying so as to invade another nation, and kill and maim millions of it's citizens. So don't go trying to paint both sides as equally guilty, because they aren't even CLOSE to being equally guilty. They are both guilty, but certainly to an any equal degree.

That's a bit naive. It's assuming that the republicans all sit together at the same lunch table plotting while all the democrats are sitting together at a different lunch table.

I think it's far more probable that the Dems and Repubs are equally as liable for approving the war in ignorance. Party affiliation does not equate to knowledge held or intent.

 

[PureX]

Care to comment on the terrorists following us home Purex?

Well, apparently republicans have the ability to see into the future, and to discern who is about to attack us, and when and where and how. Yet at the same time, they managed not to see 9/11 coming, or that Saddam had no WMDs, not even the poison gas that Reagan gave him to use on Iran back in the 80s. Seems their clairvoyance is strangely selective that way.

 

[PureX]

That's a bit naive. It's assuming that the republicans all sit together at the same lunch table plotting while all the democrats are sitting together at a different lunch table.

I think it's far more probable that the Dems and Repubs are equally as liable for approving the war in ignorance. Party affiliation does not equate to knowledge held or intent.

There is no doubt that the Bush administration deliberately misled as best they were able, anyone who dared to contend with their assessment of the danger that Iraq posed to the U.S.,. There is no doubt that the democrats did NOT deliberately mislead anyone to start a war. They allowed themselves to BE misled, which is on their own heads. But they didn't deliberately mislead the nation. And this is a BIG difference.

I do not accept your assertion that they are equally to blame.

 

[gnomon]

There is no doubt that the Bush administration deliberately misled as best they were able, anyone who dared to contend with their assessment of the danger that Iraq posed to the U.S.,. There is no doubt that the democrats did NOT deliberately mislead anyone to start a war. They allowed themselves to BE misled, which is on their own heads. But they didn't deliberately mislead the nation. And this is a BIG difference.

I do not accept your assertion that they are equally to blame.

That's what I used to believe.

My level of cynicism has reached new heights, however. So I do believe that they are both equally to blame.

If you do not accept that, then your just not as cynical as me.

 

[PureX]

That's what I used to believe.

My level of cynicism has reached new heights, however. So I do believe that they are both equally to blame.

If you do not accept that, then your just not as cynical as me.

Where's the proof that they knew they were being lied to and went along with it, anyway?

 

[McBell]

I give up.
You refuse to answer the question and it is not like the world (or anything else for that matter) hinges on the answer.

 

[Scuba Pete]

Yes, the democrats did vote to support this invasion, but they did so thinking that the information the Bush administration was giving them was true.

There are three administrations where deceit was their hallmark. The Clinton Administration (Lewinski) was known for their hanky panky and trying to cover that up. That was distressing, but these did not involve the affairs of the state. Worse than this was the Nixon administration (Watergate) where they abused their powers to try and rig the election. Far worse than both of these combined was the systematic miss-information given to the American Public by the Shrub administration prior to the invasion of Iraq. This was a pre-meditated manipulation of the facts and the sentiments of the American People in order to effect an invasion of a country who had NEVER attacked us, invaded our borders or sponsored terrorists to do it for them. Shrub and company will occupy the history books as the most corrupt and deceitful administration in American History.

Shrub has been the veritable poster boy for the religious right. He lies on cue and has little clue as to the hateful legacy he is leaving. This administration ran on the religious right agenda and it has stuck to that agenda throughout their tenure. Only Khomeini has exercised a stronger grip on the government. There needs to be no other evidence of how morally bankrupt the religious right is. One need only consider the poster boy.

 

[gnomon]

Where's the proof that they knew they were being lied to and went along with it, anyway?

Equally, where's the proof that the Republicans as a whole were in on the lie?

I think it of as a White House vs. Congress rather than Dem. vs. Repub. type of thing. Heck, once we were in Iraq even the level of trust between Paul Bremer and the White House proves to me that this is not a partisan issue.

Also, the information given by the CIA which states Bush was told that Iraq had no WMD's, thereby showing Bush was actually lying by definition, was not given to either branch of Congress nor either political party. It was information held by Bush, the CIA and perhaps by other senior White House officials.

Apparently, no one in Congress held information that Iraq had no WMD's.

edit: And this is far afield of the topic.

 

[Reverend Rick]

I give up.
You refuse to answer the question and it is not like the world (or anything else for that matter) hinges on the answer.

Geeze, I did answer your question, I guess you missed it. You want the short version?

My family would have suffered if we did not go to Iraq because the terrorists would have came here again like they did September 11th. I would rather fight them over there than host them in our country where are children are. At least the people fighting are armed and trained. They now engage us in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Now answer me a question, What does that have to do with the OP? I feel like you are putting words in my mouth and this has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

You are like some reporter who is unhappy with the answer to his question. Just what do you want me to say and why is it so important to you?

I have made every attempt to accommodate you. My mind is not on Iraq. What is the big deal about Iraq? No one made you go there. The people who are there feel they are winning and joined the military. If nothing else, Iraq has been a great training ground for our soldiers. The men and women over there are awesome.

 

[McBell]

Geeze, I did answer your question, I guess you missed it. You want the short version?

My family would have suffered if we did not go to Iraq because the terrorists would have came here again like they did September 11th. I would rather fight them over there than host them in our country where are children are. At least the people fighting are armed and trained. They now engage us in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Now answer me a question, What does that have to do with the OP? I feel like you are putting words in my mouth and this has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

You are like some reporter who is unhappy with the answer to his question. Just what do you want me to say and why is it so important to you?

I have made every attempt to accommodate you. My mind is not on Iraq. What is the big deal about Iraq? No one made you go there. The people who are there feel they are winning and joined the military. If nothing else, Iraq has been a great training ground for our soldiers. The men and women over there are awesome.

And once again you change the context within which MY question was asked.
So you are, in fact, NOT answering the question.


You claim your mind is not on Iraq.
I have to completely disagree.
You want so badly to apply your answer exclusively to the Iraq War.
I do not.
Thus you are taking my question out of the context in which it was asked and answering it in this context of your construct.
Furthermore, you are doing so even after being flat out told TWICE already:

I was merely wondering if your thoughts on the issue included the whole country or just you personally or perhaps the immediate community in which you live or what​

 

[Reverend Rick]

This was a pre-meditated manipulation of the facts and the sentiments of the American People in order to effect an invasion of a country who had NEVER attacked us, invaded our borders or sponsored terrorists to do it for them.

This comment almost paints Saddam as a poster boy for perfection. "He didnt do anything". All you green folks should have cheered when he was hanged by his own people. You should have seen all the pollution he spewed after leaving Kuwait and setting the oil wells on fire. You can't imagine how much damage he did to the refineries when he invaded Kuwait. I guess that was just peachy with you, we should stay out of it and be more Christ like right? And then there is the gas that killed so many of his countrymen. How anyone could even try and paint Saddam as the good guy and GWB as the evil one is beyond me.

Shrub has been the veritable poster boy for the religious right. He lies on cue and has little clue as to the hateful legacy he is leaving. This administration ran on the religious right agenda and it has stuck to that agenda throughout their tenure. Only Khomeini has exercised a stronger grip on the government. There needs to be no other evidence of how morally bankrupt the religious right is. One need only consider the poster boy.

George W. Bush will go down in history as one of our greatest Presidents. He could care less about Liberal public opinion. He went in there and done the job we elected him to do.

 

[Scuba Pete]

I think it of as a White House vs. Congress rather than Dem. vs. Repub. type of thing. Heck, once we were in Iraq even the level of trust between Paul Bremer and the White House proves to me that this is not a partisan issue.

I agree with this %100. The administration alone is to blame.

Being the cowards that they are though, they have made this to be a partisanship issue. Many Republicans defend Shrub ONLY BECAUSE he is Republican. The man has violated the trust of the entire country, Republican and Democrat alike.

The sad part is that they have them completely buffaloed. They have convinced a few people that Iraq was a hotbed of terrorists when the fact is that there were very few terrorists there due to Sadamn. Mutual hate kept them from joining forces against the US. Now they flock to Iraq in numbers that stagger the imagination.

 

[Reverend Rick]

I was merely wondering if your thoughts on the issue included the whole country or just you personally or perhaps the immediate community in which you live or what​

The whole country is divided into two groups. The one who are succeeding and the one who are failing. The ones who are failing want the ones who are succeeding to give them something for nothing.

So, I was thinking what is right for me and my family, the conservative base, and the religious right. The people who want less taxes, less government and more personal responsibility for there success in life. The folks who do not want to live in a nanny state and believe if we would quit helping folks so much, they might get off their butts and do something for themselves. Those who are unable would be taken care of by charitable contributions.

The short answer again, all of the above.

 

[Reverend Rick]

How can they follow our troops home if we never let our troops come home?

Brilliant! You have now figured out why they are not coming home.

 

[Francine]

Brilliant! You have now figured out why they are not coming home.

They are sending wounded men back to combat in Iraq now. I guess there was too much risk of the terrorists following them home.

U.S. Sends Wounded Troops Back To Iraq, Short On Soldiers, Army Returns Injured Service Members To War Zone - CBS News

 

[Reverend Rick]

They are sending wounded men back to combat in Iraq now. I guess there was too much risk of the terrorists following them home.

U.S. Sends Wounded Troops Back To Iraq, Short On Soldiers, Army Returns Injured Service Members To War Zone - CBS News

LOL, thats funny right there!

You know what I meant, when they cannot find any Americans to fight with, they will follow the last one home.

 

[Francine]

You know what I meant, when they cannot find any Americans to fight with, they will follow the last one home.

How about we use the same invasive airport screening procedures on Mohammad Khalid ibn al-Walid as we use on grandma Doris Beatrix Gardner? That way even if they follow our last soldier home we can stop him from blowing up the hardware store on main street in Jerkwater USA.

 

[Reverend Rick]

Why they will fly right into Mexico City and walk right across our border with all the starving Mexicans looking for a better life.

 

[Francine]

Why they will fly right into Mexico City and walk right across our border with all the starving Mexicans looking for a better life.

The politicians look the other way on the border issue, and it cuts across party lines. Dummocrats want more voters, and Repugnicans want cheap labor.

 

[Scuba Pete]

They are sending wounded men back to combat in Iraq now. I guess there was too much risk of the terrorists following them home.

U.S. Sends Wounded Troops Back To Iraq, Short On Soldiers, Army Returns Injured Service Members To War Zone - CBS News

Here is how Shrub supports our troops:
Bush "Veto" Cancels Bonuses For Troops