Is the hijab unnecessary?

[Breathe]

I must admit, I laughed when I saw the Coca-Cola Ad and then saw the link to Wikipedia "Sex in Advertising" - I can't see how, at all, that is a sexual advertisement. o_o

 

[Zhakir]

Sadly, that's not too far away from the Abrahamic faith's concept - a woman ate the fruit and thus disobeyed God at the behest of a snake/Satan, and was responsible for ridding us of paradise, and bringing labour pain on women forever, etc etc.

Point is, Abrahamic religions also can be seen to have quite a "low" view of women sometimes, too - though this is not the thread for such discussions.

What is really sad is,when many people realize a wrong idea or belief or teaching of christianity or hunduism for example,they generlize it and blindly think all other religions preach the same.That would be a major error that misleads many people.
One example is that an atheist's concept of God would be derived from the surroundings in which he lives. The god that a large number of people worship has got human qualities - therefore he does not believe in such a god. Similarly a Muslim too does not and should not believe in such false gods,but... before rejecting God that atheist should have tried to check whether that he rejects is the true concept or not,if he/she thinks christianity's concept is wrong,that doesn't make all other religion's concepts,simply because they are different,they maybe wrong and they maybe right.
Similarly,you think that position of women is wrong,we Muslims totally agree with you.The Bible says that Eve was responsible for that sin,and a adam should not listen to a woman ,God punishment to "women" who did nothing its only eve- that woman shall always bear children in intense pain, and that man shall be their master.
Now it's the Bible saying that,why should you generlize it and say "Abrahamic faith's concept "?.Islam is abrahamic,but it has a totally different concept.
As God (swt) said The Noble Quran,
Adam and Eve (pbut) were put equal in the sin of disobey God (swt).they both were equaly responsible,no where does the Quran say "it's Eve's fault".
2:36
Then did Satan make them slip from the (garden), and get them out of the state (of felicity) in which they had been.
Islam doesn't consider the pain of giving birth to be punishment,it uplifts her and makes it a reason why it's an obligation for chlidren to be good and respectful to their mothers and fathers.
46:15
We have enjoined on man kindness to his parents: In pain did his mother bear him, and in pain did she give him birth.
31:14
And We have enjoined on man (to be good) to his parents: in travail upon travail did his mother bear him.

God didn't say both words here, the Quran clearly contradicts the Bible here,it's for every woman amd man to think and find which one is God's and which one is sexists people's writings.
I think you now realize that generalizing a wrong concept of a religion,to other religions with different but correct concepts, misleads people.
May Allah (swt) guides us to his path,Peace Odion !

 

[Zhakir]

I must admit, I laughed when I saw the Coca-Cola Ad and then saw the link to Wikipedia "Sex in Advertising" - I can't see how, at all, that is a sexual advertisement. o_o

I could have put what wanted to see but i am a muslim i can't just link a worse picture than this!. i thought i had to find a cartoon.
Read the article similar one is shown first,then ask wikipeadia how it is sexual adversment.


Note: wikicommons has more on "sex in advertising" if you are intrested.

 

[McBell]

God didn't say both words here, the Quran clearly contradicts the Bible here,it's for every woman amd man to think and find which one is God's and which one is sexists people's writings.

and yet you make the assumption that it has to be one or the other.
Why does it have to be either?

 

[Breathe]

I could have put what wanted to see but i am a muslim i can't just link a worse picture than this!.

Um. All she's doing is smiling, drinking a cola, on a chair...

 

[McBell]

Um. All she's doing is smiling, drinking a cola, on a chair...

what?
You cannot see her elbows!?

 

[Breathe]

One example is that an atheist's concept of God would be derived from the surroundings in which he lives.

*giggle*

Islam is abrahamic,but it has a totally different concept.
As God (swt) said The Noble Quran,
Adam and Eve (pbut) were put equal in the sin of disobey God (swt).they both were equaly responsible,no where does the Quran say "it's Eve's fault".

I was mistaken on this one, sorry.

It's good that the Qur'an says they are both equally responsible (although I don't believe in the Adam and Eve Garden & serpent/Satan story). However, it doesn't change that women can be portrayed in a negative light in the Qur'an, depsite the original, intended message. For example, a Muslim could easily look at these verses and think negatively of his wife and children.

يَـٰٓأَيُّہَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوٓاْ إِنَّ مِنۡ أَزۡوَٲجِكُمۡ وَأَوۡلَـٰدِڪُمۡ عَدُوًّ۬ا لَّڪُمۡ فَٱحۡذَرُوهُمۡ*ۚ وَإِن تَعۡفُواْ وَتَصۡفَحُواْ وَتَغۡفِرُواْ فَإِنَّ ٱللَّهَ غَفُورٌ۬ رَّحِيمٌ (١٤&#65279 إِنَّمَآ أَمۡوَٲلُكُمۡ وَأَوۡلَـٰدُكُمۡ فِتۡنَةٌ۬*ۚ وَٱللَّهُ عِندَهُ ۥۤ أَجۡرٌ عَظِيمٌ۬ (١٥&#65279

64:14-15: O ye who believe! Lo! among your wives and your children there are enemies for you, therefor beware of them. And if ye efface and overlook and forgive, then lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. (14)Your wealth and your children are only a temptation, whereas Allah! with Him is an immense reward. (15)

Sexists will be sexists, after all, and they will twist any scripture into something to subvert women in any way they can.

I also believe there is a verse in one of the Hadith where Muhammad says that the majority of women in the Fire are women or something like that?

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May Allah (swt) guides us to his path,Peace Odion !

Ameen.

 

[Panda]

Those old coke ads are quite funky. Not quite sure where the sex part comes in though :S

 

[McBell]

Not quite sure where the sex part comes in though :S

are you nuts?

I am surprised that the forum rules allow such pornography to be posted.

GOOD GOD MAN!!!
You can see her bare legs...
Then there is the fact that her neck is not covered...
Her elbows are also exposed...
It is so thoroughly disgusting...

Then they got her in that oh so inviting pose.

I am so reporting this porn.

 

[Zhakir]

I was mistaken on this one, sorry.

You don't need to say that for me ,but For those may be misled, Allah forgives you if wishes or misleads you (i pray for your good) .

It's good that the Qur'an says they are both equally responsible (although I don't believe in the Adam and Eve Garden & serpent/Satan story). However, it doesn't change that women can be portrayed in a negative light in the Qur'an, depsite the original, intended message. For example, a Muslim could easily look at these verses and think negatively of his wife and children.

يَـٰٓأَيُّہَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوٓاْ إِنَّ مِنۡ أَزۡوَٲجِكُمۡ وَأَوۡلَـٰدِڪُمۡ عَدُوًّ۬ا لَّڪُمۡ فَٱحۡذَرُوهُمۡ*ۚ وَإِن تَعۡفُواْ وَتَصۡفَحُواْ وَتَغۡفِرُواْ فَإِنَّ ٱللَّهَ غَفُورٌ۬ رَّحِيمٌ (١٤&#65279 إِنَّمَآ أَمۡوَٲلُكُمۡ وَأَوۡلَـٰدُكُمۡ فِتۡنَةٌ۬*ۚ وَٱللَّهُ عِندَهُ ۥۤ أَجۡرٌ عَظِيمٌ۬ (١٥&#65279​

64:14-15: O ye who believe! Lo! among your wives and your children there are enemies for you, therefor beware of them. And if ye efface and overlook and forgive, then lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. (14)Your wealth and your children are only a temptation, whereas Allah! with Him is an immense reward. (15)​

Sexists will be sexists, after all, and they will twist any scripture into something to subvert women in any way they can.​

I also believe there is a verse in one of the Hadith where Muhammad says that the majority of women in the Fire are women or something like that?​

Allah (swt) says in the Quran
"Allah is with those who patiently persevere."
Many misconception about Quran and many misunderstood verses,i will do Jihad to clearify them Inshallah.

Malik Alashjae who lived in Madina came to the prophet and complained because whenever he intends to go in war and defend with the Muslim,his wife and kids used to cry and say things like "who is going to take care of us if you leave us and die" and this used to motivate him to stay and not go with the other Muslims wars.So these verses were revealed,to reminde muslims that this life including the close ones is a test,and to ask them to forgive their families if they do such wrong "And if ye efface and overlook and forgive, then lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. (14)Your wealth and your children are only a temptation, whereas Allah! with Him is an immense reward. (15)
The Noble Quran, God's word is here for a better society,many people in this world,steal money,and food,and cloth etc. just to feed their kids.motivated by their feelings towards their close one.Do you deny that such people are there everywhere in the world? and that what they do is bad?.should not the be punished if they do so?
If you deny this,you allow people to steal if they were stealin for their families.
By being moved by such feelings without guidness from Allah we may loose ourselves in the Hereafter and maybe here also.At that time Those mentioned in the verse become enemies that we should efface and overlook and forgive, then lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. (14)
the verse came to remind us that we should not commit evil no matter what feelings push us to, not only if it is against our close ones,but even if it against ourselves.
4:135
O ye who believe! stand out firmly for justice, as witnesses to Allah, even as against yourselves, or your parents, or your kin, and whether it be (against) rich or poor: for Allah can best protect both. Follow not the lusts (of your hearts), lest ye swerve, and if ye distort (justice)or decline to do justice, verily Allah is well-acquainted with all that yedo.

Therefore this Noble verse has nothing to do with Sexism,
-It says "among" not all.not all people act like that.
-The Arabic words "Azwaj" translated only wives also mean Husbunds,both theses English word are translated to Arabic as "Aswaj" Plural forum and "zaoj" ,I don't know why did the translator translated as "wives" only,it's not the Quran' fault,in the original Arabic text you shoed and a better translation have no misconception.
-So what if the some are enemies what does the Quran want us to do? this is the most important question
The Quran wants us to:
"And if ye efface and overlook and forgive, then lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. (14)Your wealth and your children are only a temptation, whereas Allah! with Him is an immense reward. (15)

25:20
These are clear evidences to men and a Guidance and Mercy to those of assured Faith.

Indeed The Holy Quran is :yes:

 

[YmirGF]

what?
You cannot see her elbows!?

Silly boy, the coke bottle is a phallic symbol.

 

[Wandering_Wonderer]

8. Western society falsely claims to have uplifted women
Western talk of women’s liberalization is nothing but a disguised form of exploitation of her body, degradation of her soul, and deprivation of her honour. Western society claims to have ‘uplifted’ women. On the contrary it has actually degraded them to the status of concubines, mistresses and society butterflies who are mere tools in the hands of pleasure seekers and sex marketeers, hidden behind the colourful screen of ‘art’ and ‘culture’.

This is a little offensive to me. I'm a western woman and I do not feel that my body is exploited, my soul degraded, or that I'm deprived of my honor. I feel happy and lucky that I was born where I was, when I was and that I have the freedom that I do. I can wear what I want, go to work, be independent, go to school and study whatever I want, and choose whatever career I want, I don't have to have children if I don't want to, I don't have stay at home and cook and clean all day, I have the freedom to be my own person and choose my future. I guess western society has me fooled.

 

[TashaN]

I still insist that secular values are the work of the devil and the poor brainwashed women in the west should be librated through wearing the hijab and covering themselves up. That's why hijab is not only necessary, but it's the only way to salvation and be civilized again.

 

[YmirGF]

I still insist that secular values are the work of the devil and the poor brainwashed women in the west should be librated through wearing the hijab and covering themselves up. That's why hijab is not only necessary, but it's the only way to salvation and be civilized again.

What devil? Is this ludicrous assertion supposed to be meaningful, TashaN?

 

[TashaN]

What devil? Is this ludicrous assertion supposed to be meaningful, TashaN?

Western women are brainwashed. Wearing hijab is the answer. Nudity is evil. I really feel sorry for these women. The society forced them to wear...well, less through systamic injection of these evil values. We have to protect them from themselves.





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[tumbleweed41]

Western women are brainwashed. Wearing hijab is the answer. Nudity is evil. I really feel sorry for these women. The society forced them to wear...well, less through systamic injection of these evil values. We have to protect them from themselves.





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I am leaving the house right now to find some nude women to tell them how evil they are:drool:

 

[McBell]

Western women are brainwashed. Wearing hijab is the answer. Nudity is evil. I really feel sorry for these women. The society forced them to wear...well, less through systamic injection of these evil values. We have to protect them from themselves.

 

[TashaN]

I am leaving the house right now to find some nude women to tell them how evil they are:drool:

How rude?! Those women are not evil, they are helpless. We have to help them. I really feel sorry for them. If they just knew ...

 

[Wandering_Wonderer]

Western women are brainwashed. Wearing hijab is the answer. Nudity is evil. I really feel sorry for these women. The society forced them to wear...well, less through systamic injection of these evil values. We have to protect them from themselves.
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Wow! I guess I'm brainwashed... You have no reason to feel sorry for us western women. I know I am perfectly happy. You know I could say the same about the women of Islam. But I don't because if it is their choice to do the things they do and it makes them happy then so be it. You all are happy the way you are and we are happy the way we are. If we weren't happy we would change it. I have one question for you. Why do you feel nudity is so evil? Is it because your book says so? And I do not think that we need to be protected from ourselves but we need to be protected from oppressive, controlling, closed-minded people like you. You should get a clue and realize that there are people functioning just fine that do not live they way that you think they should live.

 

[Wandering_Wonderer]

How rude?! Those women are not evil, they are helpless. We have to help them. I really feel sorry for them. If they just knew ...

Oh really??? Helpless???:no: