"Is the Mormon church a Christian denomination?"

[Skwim]

Mormonism was created so that Xristians would know how the Jews feel. Xristians say Mormonism is a cult based on faulty translations and man-made religion. Jews say Xristianity is an idolitros cult based on faulty translations (septuagent-which was destroyed way back, isn't really septuagent but copy of ancient copies and inacurate and has many mistakes) and this is a man-made religion.

Now that's an interesting notion, to say the least.

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[Indian Iconoclast]

I do not know much about the Mormon Church so I can not answer this question.

What I want to know and get actual facts from the learned members of this forum is:

Did Reverend Brigham Young actually have thirteen wives simultaneously and was that polygamy accepted by his following and imitated as well?

I mean absolutely no offence to the Mormon Church and its congregation and ask for their forgiveness in advance. This query is out of sheer inquisitiveness.

 

[Skwim]

Impossible to answer.....how a person answers depends upon which Christian sect the person you are asking belongs to. There is no ultimate arbiter of what is Christian.

Well, some Christians certainly think so.

To those who are not Christian, it isn't even a question to ask.

And those who are not Christians have no obligation to answer. In fact, no one has.

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[Indian Iconoclast]

Mormons believe Jesus lived in Missouri and turned all Native Americans skin red for being sinful. They're nothing more than a racist organization draped in the perverted USA ideal of freedom of religion. The only reason they get a pass is because they don't have a leader feeding them rat sac and kool aid.

Is that what you write here true?

It does not sound to be true in my ears because claiming Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth to be a resident of the state of Missouri in the United States and turning the aborigines of that country that used to paint their faces red with wampum traditionally, red from head to toe for their misdeeds appears as an outburst of a raving lunatic,

I am sure you are not one!

 

[InChrist]

I do not know much about the Mormon Church so I can not answer this question.

What I want to know and get actual facts from the learned members of this forum is:

Did Reverend Brigham Young actually have thirteen wives simultaneously and was that polygamy accepted by his following and imitated as well?

I mean absolutely no offence to the Mormon Church and its congregation and ask for their forgiveness in advance. This query is out of sheer inquisitiveness.

You may find this helpful...<Brigham Youngs Wives>

 

[Skwim]

I do not know much about the Mormon Church so I can not answer this question.

What I want to know and get actual facts from the learned members of this forum is:

Did Reverend Brigham Young actually have thirteen wives simultaneously and was that polygamy accepted by his following and imitated as well?

I mean absolutely no offence to the Mormon Church and its congregation and ask for their forgiveness in advance. This query is out of sheer inquisitiveness.

"Brigham Young was perhaps the most famous polygamist of the early Latter Day Saint movement, marrying a total of 55 wives, 54 of them after becoming a Latter Day Saint. He stated that upon being taught about plural marriage, "It was the first time in my life that I desired the grave." By the time of his death, Young had 59 children by 16 of his wives; 46 of his children reached adulthood.

Source and List of wives
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From the list I notice that he married one of his wives, Clarissa Caroline Decker, when she was only 15. He was 42 at the time.

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[Indian Iconoclast]

"Brigham Young was perhaps the most famous polygamist of the early Latter Day Saint movement, marrying a total of 55 wives, 54 of them after becoming a Latter Day Saint. He stated that upon being taught about plural marriage, "It was the first time in my life that I desired the grave." By the time of his death, Young had 59 children by 16 of his wives; 46 of his children reached adulthood.

Source and List of wives
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From the list I notice that he married one of his wives, Clarissa Caroline Decker, when she was only 15..

Is polygamy allowed today by the laws of the United States of America or by the federal state laws?

 

[Skwim]

Is polygamy allowed today by the laws of the United States of America or by the federal state laws?

"Polygamy and bigamy are illegal in the US, but as the Utah "sister wives" show, it goes on anyway. Essentially they mean the same thing - someone has more than one spouse. More often than not, it's when a man has more than one wife. In some states, the law uses the terms interchangeably."
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[Indian Iconoclast]

You may find this helpful...<Brigham Youngs Wives>

Thanks a lot. I went to your directed site Utah History to Go and have extracted the following information:

According to Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS) historical records, Brigham Young was sealed to as many as 56 women. Many of the wives to whom Young were sealed were widows or elderly women for whom he merely cared or gave the protection of his name.

When asked by Horace Greeley in 1859, Brigham Young said that he had 15 wives, "but some of those sealed to me are old ladies whom I regard rather as mothers than wives. . ." This answer reflects the complicated nature of the definition of "plural wife." As to the number of wives with whom it is known that he had conjugal relations, sixteen wives bore him 57 children (46 of whom grew to maturity).

Several of his wives lived in the Lion House or the Beehive House; others had separate residences.

At the time of his death on August 23, 1877, Young had married 56 women--19 predeceased him, 10 divorced him, 23 survived him, and 4 are unaccounted for. Of the 23 who survived him, 17 received a share of his estate while the remaining 6 apparently had non-conjugal roles.

The question is, has the present-day American civil society allowed this kind of practice or the laws of the USA today have put an end to it?

 

[Katzpur]

Can you describe how that is possible? If you devide an entity into three parts, one part cannot be the entire entity.

I'm not sure how a Trinitarian Christian would answer your question, but as a Mormon, I'd say that it's possible if you understand the word "God" to be either a singular noun or a collective noun, depending upon the context in which it is used. The question you raise cannot be answered logically (in my opinion), any other way.

 

[Katzpur]

The question is, has the present-day American civil society allowed this kind of practice or the laws of the USA today have put an end to it?

Polygamy is not legal in the United States today, and has not been practiced by members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints for roughly 125 years. Any member of the Church found to be in a polygamous relationship today is excommunicated.

 

[Katzpur]

Is that what you write here true?

No, it is absolutely not true. You said in an earlier post that you would like to "get actual facts from the learned members of this forum." That's good advice for anyone. All sources are not created equal.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Polygamy is not legal in the United States today, and has not been practiced by members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints for roughly 125 years.

That's not true, as we've talked about before.

While by the conventional definition of "marriage", marriage ends with the death if either spouse, in the case of a Mormon who entered into a "celestial marriage" with his first wife, now deceased, the LDS Church considers them still married, despite the death of the wife. Nevertheless, it has no issue with the widower entering into a marriage with another woman... creating a polygamous marriage in the eyes of the Church.

 

[Katzpur]

That's not true, as we've talked about before.

I see. I guess I must have forgotten that the issue had been definitively resolved.

While by the conventional definition of "marriage", marriage ends with the death if either spouse, in the case of a Mormon who entered into a "celestial marriage" with his first wife, now deceased, the LDS Church considers them still married, despite the death of the wife. Nevertheless, it has no issue with the widower entering into a marriage with another woman... creating a polygamous marriage in the eyes of the Church.

I think you're splitting hairs here. Since the situation you've described is not considered polygamous by the state, you go right ahead and call it whatever you wish.

 

[InChrist]

Thanks a lot. I went to your directed site Utah History to Go and have extracted the following information:

According to Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS) historical records, Brigham Young was sealed to as many as 56 women. Many of the wives to whom Young were sealed were widows or elderly women for whom he merely cared or gave the protection of his name.

When asked by Horace Greeley in 1859, Brigham Young said that he had 15 wives, "but some of those sealed to me are old ladies whom I regard rather as mothers than wives. . ." This answer reflects the complicated nature of the definition of "plural wife." As to the number of wives with whom it is known that he had conjugal relations, sixteen wives bore him 57 children (46 of whom grew to maturity).

Several of his wives lived in the Lion House or the Beehive House; others had separate residences.

At the time of his death on August 23, 1877, Young had married 56 women--19 predeceased him, 10 divorced him, 23 survived him, and 4 are unaccounted for. Of the 23 who survived him, 17 received a share of his estate while the remaining 6 apparently had non-conjugal roles.

The question is, has the present-day American civil society allowed this kind of practice or the laws of the USA today have put an end to it?

Polygamy is illegal in Utah, as in other states and the Mormon Church does not condone the practice, Nevertheless, the Mormon Church has never officially rejected the practice because it is considered to be a divine commandment by the God they believe spoke to the church prophets.

"Polygamy is not condoned nor encouraged by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.[2] However, the LDS Church considers polygamy to have been a divinely inspired commandment that is supported by scripture;[3] today, the LDS Church teaches the historical aspects in an adult Sunday School lesson once every four years.[4] The LDS official position is God rescinded the commandment to practice plural marriage. Church apostle Joseph F. Smith explained, "The doctrine is not repealed, the truth is not annulled, the law is right and just now as ever, but the observance of it is stopped".[5]
Current state of polygamy in the Latter Day Saint movement - Wikipedia

 

[Skwim]

The LDS official position is God rescinded the commandment to practice plural marriage. Church apostle Joseph F. Smith explained, "The doctrine is not repealed, the truth is not annulled, the law is right and just now as ever, but the observance of it is stopped".[5]
Current state of polygamy in the Latter Day Saint movement - Wikipedia

So god rescinded the commandment---conveniently enough---but this doesn't amount to repealing or annulling it. Care to expand on the difference?
To my way of thinking, in this context all three, "rescind," "repeal," and "annul," mean the commandment is no longer in force. Appears to be distinctions without a difference.

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[ocker]

Being Mormon, I'm used to being told I'm not a Christian but I was recently informed by two of my conservative friends that anyone who believes in gay marriage or abortion isn't a Christian either. No wonder there are so many different denominations. I don't think I'd want to be in heaven with those Westboro Baptists, and these conservative friends anyway.

 

[InChrist]

So god rescinded the commandment---conveniently enough---but this doesn't amount to repealing or annulling it. Care to expand on the difference?
To my way of thinking, in this context all three, "rescind," "repeal," and "annul," mean the commandment is no longer in force. Appears to be distinctions without a difference.

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Yes, it seems to have been convenient for the LDS to have heard from God again rescinding the commandment for plural marriage after facing so much pressure from federal officials. Since the teaching concerning plural marriage has never been removed from official church documents I can only assume that although they have stopped the observance of plural marriage in a practical sense on earth they still hold to it as one of their true doctrines of faith and believe it is carried out in the heavenly realm.

 

[Milton Platt]

Well, some Christians certainly think so.


And those who are not Christians have no obligation to answer. In fact, no one has.

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Yes, most Christian sects think that they are the standard bearers of truth. No way to sort them all out even if you wanted to.

No one is obligated, unless they wish someone else to believe them. then they carry a burden of proof.

 

[Nigel]

So much dogma involved in the answers to this question. Just keep it simple, do Mormons believe that there was a Jesus Christ and does said Jesus Christ play a central role in their spirituality?

As apposed to say Muslims who depreciate Jesus to the level of one of many Prophets.

In essence, Mormons declare that Jesus Christ is the head of the Church and the central figure in their theology.

Sounds Christian to me.

But I believe their God is an alien rock that smashed into Earth so what do i know.