Is the Mossad responsible?

[Jayhawker Soule]

all speculation so far. it might come out in the wash, and personal attacks on each other wont help the discussion either. I speculate it could be Fatah seems a little sloppy for Mossad ghosts .

There was nothing sloppy about it, and it was handled in far too ethical a manner to suggest Fatah.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Because using innocent civilians' information to make false passports to enter a country for the soul purpose of killing a man cold-blank in his room, without considering the inevitable fallout or the potential risk to those innocent civilians....

Babble less. Whoever did this was thoughtful enough to corrupt the 'passport' data just enough to confirm them as fake, thereby in fact protecting the innocent. Very, very well done!

 

[kai]

There was nothing sloppy about it, and it was handled in far too ethical a manner to suggest Fatah.

I disagree. It was sloppy.

It used real innocent peoples identities, Which is illegal in Israel , too many of them ,(its bound to unravel) its caused no end of damage to the reputation of Israel in the countries who's passports they have cloned. Yes a Hamas terrorist is dead but at what cost .

Whoever it was it smacks of arrogance and disregard which will be their undoing. whoever it was has damaged Israel. If it was Mosssad then they are losing it! If that's its an operation designed to kill someone quietly and inconspicuously it failed and has produced a diplomatic mess

 

[Sahar]

The only disgusting tumor is zionism.........Say whatever you want about him, but this wouldn't change the fact that he lived honorable life defending his country, and died as a martyr..... But you and the other zionists are losers!

Well said, Sajdah. :clap

Jealousy.
Jews are always good at what they do, regardless of what it is, starting with teachers and finishing with anything else.

And this includes finishing lives? Indeed, it's something that provokes jealousy. You must be very proud.
Working at grocery store is much better than finding terrorism and murder as a source of pride.

 

[Sahar]

I disagree. It was sloppy.

Whoever it was it smacks of arrogance and disregard which will be their undoing. whoever it was has damaged Israel. If it was Mosssad then they are losing it! If that's its an operation designed to kill someone quietly and inconspicuously it failed and has produced a diplomatic mess

Exactly.

 

[Sajdah]

Terrorist! Zionist! Makes me wish I had popcorn.

No problem, I'll give it to you for free from the grocery store. LOL

....... with the crazy bloodthirsty suicidal maniacs on the other.

I just disagree with you here, palestinians are not crazy bloodthirsty....etc. Trying to equate both side with each other is unfair, just count the casualties in both sides let's say in the last massacre of Gaza and you will know who are the bloodthirsty maniacs!

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Jealousy. Jews are always good at what they do, regardless of what it is, starting with teachers and finishing with anything else. Speaking of loosers, I think you are running late for work in the grocery store, thats all you good for.

Why do you think it is ok to insult grocery store workers? They at least have value to society. here in the UK many are Jews.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

There was nothing sloppy about it, and it was handled in far too ethical a manner to suggest Fatah.

Killing is never ethical
Forgery is never ethical
Identity theft is never ethical.

Ends do not justify the means.. that was the Nazi way

 

[Smoke]

Say whatever you want about him, but this wouldn't change the fact that he lived honorable life defending his country, and died as a martyr.

You have a peculiar idea of honor.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Whoever it was it smacks of arrogance and disregard which will be their undoing.

:slap:

Dahu Khalfan Tamim now has a world-class reputation for detective work. The head of the Dubai police swiftly determined that Hamas’s Mahmoud Mabhouh did not die of natural causes at the five-star Bustan Rotana Hotel on Jan. 20. He was assassinated.

Let’s for the sake of argument grant that Israel did away with Mabhouh; that he was not killed by Iran or over some intra-Palestinian dispute, and that clues pointing to Israeli culpability are genuine.

Mabhouh certainly deserved to be assassinated by Israel. Hamas declared war on Israel. And he co-founded its military wing and was personally involved in the (separate) 1989 killings of IDF soldiers Ilan Sa’adon and Avi Sasportas.

Mabhouh was a key link in the unlawful syndicate which delivers Iranian weapons to Gaza. He was apparently tasked with importing an arsenal that would make life hellish for Israelis living in metropolitan Tel Aviv. He was, perhaps, Hamas’s equivalent to Hizbullah’s Imad Mughniyeh, whose car blew up in Damascus two years ago.

YOU CAN tell a great deal about the moral compass and political leanings of a society by observing its reaction to the Mabhouh liquidation.

There is unease in Europe because the purported assassins identified by Dubai were travelling under forged French, German, Irish and British passports; and identities of Israelis with dual-citizenship were utilized.

Even The Times of London, whose editorial page has been sympathetic toward Israel, expressed chagrin over the affair, saying this country had shown poor regard for the “future security of British passport holders overseas.” Frankly, there is little reason to think that the tradecraft employed in this assassination – which we will not second guess at this stage – jeopardizes anyone.

Actually, what troubles us is the question of whose passport Mabhouh was traveling under and why he was allowed to enter neutral Dubai on gun-running business.

Of course, that’s not how the British see it. The BBC’s Jeremy Bowen warned that if Israel had used British passports for “nefarious” purposes – meaning sending Mabhouh to his Maker – Bowen expected, or would it be more accurate to say, hoped for, “a crisis” in relations between London and Jerusalem.

The Guardian quoted a Foreign Office mandarin as gloating: “Relations were in the freezer before this. They are in the deep freeze now.” The paper then grumbled about the British government’s “supine” response to the assassination, editorializing against the government’s proposal to lift the threat of lawfare. The Guardian wants visiting Israeli ministers to continue to worry about facing Palestinian-inspired “war crimes” charges.

With the British media delighting in the assassination-passport kerfuffle – a Daily Mail headline screamed: “Dragged into a Mossad murder plot” – Menzies Campell, a routinely anti-Israel elder of the Liberal Democrats, declared that “Israel has some explaining to do.”

An anyway beleaguered Prime Minister Gordon Brown intoned: “We have got to carry out a full investigation into this. The British passport is an important document that has got to be held with care.” Sentiments echoed by Opposition Leader David Cameron.

The most encouraging view – paradoxically – came from Robert Fisk, the Independent’s inveterate Israel-basher: He suspects that London and Paris colluded with Jerusalem in Mabhouth’s assassination, in a reprise of the 1956 Sinai Campaign. That explained, he wrote, the flawless biometric passports.

What an uplifting (if improbable) scenario: MI6 and the Directorate-General for External Security working in tandem with the Mossad to stop Iranian arms from reaching Hamas.

PERHAPS the shrill reaction in some (though certainly not all) British quarters is not rooted purely in anti-Israelism. Chances are that at least parts of the British intelligentsia and media would have reacted similarly if the man in that hotel room had been Osama bin Laden... or Adolf Eichmann. And this pigheaded refusal to acknowledge that sometimes the ends do justify the means reflects a moral impoverishment that’s not limited to Britain.

Some pundits here have also gone wobbly, asking whether the Mabhouh hit was worth the trouble; others are rashly calling for the resignation of Mossad chief Meir Dagan.

In fact, removing a Mabhouh or a Mughniyeh – agents of evil engaged in sensitive compartmentalized work – significantly disrupts Hamas and Hizbullah. It sows distrust within enemy ranks. And it forces whoever replaces them to dissipate their energies just trying to stay alive.

- Passport 'rage'

A piece of scum has been efficiently removed, the innocent effectively protected ... and the Israel-haters are outraged. Nu?

 

[Smoke]

Working at grocery store is much better than finding terrorism and murder as a source of pride.

I agree. I respect a grocer far more than I respect a terrorist and murderer like Mahmoud al-Mabhouh.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

:slap:

A piece of scum has been efficiently removed, the innocent effectively protected ... and the Israel-haters are outraged. Nu?

You mean murdered.
Those who respect the law are outraged.

That whole piece from the Jerusalem post is simple apologetics.

The most encouraging view – paradoxically – came from Robert Fisk, the Independent’s inveterate Israel-basher: He suspects that London and Paris colluded with Jerusalem in Mabhouth’s assassination, in a reprise of the 1956 Sinai Campaign. That explained, he wrote, the flawless biometric passports.

None of the British pasports were Biometric They were all the easier to forge previous type.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

You mean murdered. Those who respect the law are outraged.

You are outraged by the elimination of Mahmoud al-Mabhouh, but not by Mahmoud al-Mabhouh. Got it, :yes:

 

[arimoff]

I think you're forgetting refreshments. D:


You've got the good and the bad with every culture. Positive stereotypes are still stereotypes, and stereotypes group all different kinds of people together.

But so we're clear, are you saying Muslims are only good as grocers? I'm sure there are good Muslim grocers, but you're forgetting the CEOs, the craftspeople, the clothes designers....

I have good friends who are Muslims, but none of them are CEOs or clothes designers, I never even heard of one, but they don't call me looser for being Jewish neither, they never even asked me if I'm Zionist or not.

 

[arimoff]

Why do you think it is ok to insult grocery store workers? They at least have value to society. here in the UK many are Jews.

Do you think its ok to call others loosers? If you think yes, I respect your opinion but then i have my right to tell them they are only good for a grocery store.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Do you think its ok to call others loosers? If you think yes, I respect your opinion but then i have my right to tell them they are only good for a grocery store.

I do not call anyone looses because of the nature of their work. I find that very insulting. Frankly I do not call any one a loser.

I would respect a grocery store worker more than I respect an investment banker or broker.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

You are outraged by the elimination of Mahmoud al-Mabhouh, but not by Mahmoud al-Mabhouh. Got it, :yes:

I do not believe in assassination by a state agency or by an individual. It is outside the Law and ethics as I understand them.

That Mhahmoud al-Mabhouh was seen as an enemy of Israel, does not change the facts. It is illegal for one state to assassinate leaders of another.

That Israel does this regularly does not make it right.

The UK has and has had many enemies that we despise, however we have rarely killed them... when we do all hell breaks loose and the perpetrators are prosecuted, as it is against the UK law. There was such a case some years ago in Gibraltar, it is still not forgotten, and it ended the careers of several senior agents. Margaret Thatcher seemed to think the state was above the law.

When Ben Gurian was a terrorist fighting the British run Palestinian police, we did not kill him, we tried and imprisoned him. He had been the cause of the killing of many British police and civilians.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I do not believe in assassination by a state agency or by an individual.

I do ...

 

[Yerda]

I do ...

I'm against the death penalty myself, and I'm a frequent critic of Israeli policy...I think we should find out who is responsible for this...and give the b*****d a round of applause.

 

[croak]

Some quick replies because I'm too tired to put up a coherent argument

I just disagree with you here, palestinians are not crazy bloodthirsty....etc. Trying to equate both side with each other is unfair, just count the casualties in both sides let's say in the last massacre of Gaza and you will know who are the bloodthirsty maniacs!

If you didn't notice, I was listing extremes. Every society has its bloodthirsty maniacs, and every society has its good doctors. I thought I was clear; I apologize.

I have good friends who are Muslims, but none of them are CEOs or clothes designers, I never even heard of one, but they don't call me looser for being Jewish neither, they never even asked me if I'm Zionist or not.

Off the top of my head, people who design Muslim clothes are probably Muslims. xD Ones that design Western clothes are definitely out there, because... religion doesn't matter in designing clothes. CEOs... here are some.
If you're saying that because you think I implied Jews were losers... did I say that? I'm rather confused. Of course, maybe my tired brain is misinterprating the point of your post. In any case, here is the case for Muslim clothes designers and CEOs, and for the record, I do not call Jews losers for anything (although Jayhawker Soule seemed to imply that that was the case for Muslims, whether or not that was his intention. He is welcome to clarify. )