Is the Mossad responsible?

[Terrywoodenpic]

I do ...

So you think it would have been right for us to have assassinated Ben Gurion.

 

[Sajdah]

I have good friends who are Muslims, but none of them are CEOs or clothes designers, I never even heard of one, but they don't call me looser for being Jewish neither, they never even asked me if I'm Zionist or not.

I think you need some clarification:

1) I'm not your friend.
2) I didn't call you "loser" for being "Jewish"
3) I don't care whether you support zionism or not.
4) My post was originally directed to Jay's response.

BTW: And as Not4me said working at a grocery store is not a shame, or an insult, it is better than supporting murderers, and defending their crimes!!!!
Also by stating that Muslims are not good at anything but grocery reveals your ignorance about Muslims!!!!!

I hope it's clear now.......

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

So you think it would have been right for us to have assassinated Ben Gurion.

No, but I think it would be right to assassinate Bin Laden. Do you have any more utterly stupid questions?

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

No, but I think it would be right to assassinate Bin Laden. Do you have any more utterly stupid questions?

Why do you think it is OK for Israel to assassinate their enemies and not right for others to do the same, when the targets happen to be Israeli ?

After all what is sauce for the Goose is sauce for the Gander.

 

[Caladan]

Why do you think it is OK for Israel to assassinate their enemies and not right for others to do the same, when the targets happen to be Israeli ?

After all what is sauce for the Goose is sauce for the Gander.

Actually, assassinations or not, unlike the state of Israel, the Brits did execute members of the resistance.

 

[kai]

this may be of interest:

http://world-ice.com/Articles/Assassinations.pdf

 

[kai]

you see i think the fear that the mossad could get you wherever you are is a powerful tool in the Israeli arsenal, and i hold a certain respect for their abilities to do so ,but if they get caught doing it, and keep getting caught doing it, then the ramifications are huge.

 

[Sajdah]

you see i think the fear that the mossad could get you wherever you are is a powerful tool in the Israeli arsenal,

What is powerful in chasing someone and murdering him after 20 years?!

and i hold a certain respect for their abilities to do so ,but if they get caught doing it, and keep getting caught doing it, then the ramifications are huge.

BTW: The British Daily Mail said in a report yesterday that "the British foreign intelligence MI-6 had prior knowledge that the Mossad would launch an assassination using forged British passports."

I think that those countries whose passports were used in the crime should do something so as not to be thought that they are involved with the Mossad in the murder!!

 

[Baydwin]

Why is this thread trying to turn this around and point fingers of blame against the UK?

This is a matter between Israel and Hamas.

The only reason we're disturbed by this is the offense against the Sovereignty of the British Crown by the use of fake British documents. In a similar way that any nation would be if we took out one of our enemies and then blamed it on Israelis, or Saudis or the French.

I'm disappointed in some of the comments here, I expected more.

 

[Caladan]

Why is this thread trying to turn this around and point fingers of blame against the UK?

You'll have to do what any decent forum member does and scroll back for that. further more, what blame? if you are talking about an indication that the British services were tipped off and had information of the assassination and the method, its completely fair to discuss it now that the it was published on the media.

I'm disappointed in some of the comments here, I expected more.

I don't think you have been a member of RF long enough to know what to expect from each member. :flirt:

 

[Sajdah]

Why is this thread trying to turn this around and point fingers of blame against the UK?

Are you referring to my post? If so, then I didn't make anything up...You can find it on the British daily mail....

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

In a similar way that any nation would be if we took out one of our enemies and then blamed it on ...

Blame? It's a criticism pregnant with ignorance. So, let's do this again ...

1. The target was fully worthy of assassination.
2. The effort was complex, well planned, and well executed.
3. The effect was surgical with no significant collateral damage.
4. The Passports used were intentionally flawed (wrong birthdays, wrong middle names) insuring that they would be recognized as forgeries in retrospect, thereby protecting the holders of the original documents.
5. The intelligence apparatus of at least one country was notified in advance that forged Passports were in play.

Talk of "blame" is ignorant nonsense.

Note, by the way, that purposely tainting the information on the Passport documents put the agents at risk. It is reasonable to conclude that they chose to incur this incremental risk in in an effort to shield the innocent from recrimination. This ethic contrasts so deeply with the persistent approach of Hamas/Hizbolluh as to cry out for commendation. Yet again: very, very well done!


The blinders are remarkable. Once again ...

 

[dogsgod]

Blame? It's a criticism pregnant with ignorance. So, let's do this again ...

1. The target was fully worthy of assassination.
2. The effort was complex, well planned, and well executed.
3. The effect was surgical with no significant collateral damage.
4. The Passports used were intentionally flawed (wrong birthdays, wrong middle names) insuring that they would be recognized as forgeries in retrospect, thereby protecting the holders of the original documents.
5. The intelligence apparatus of at least one country was notified in advance that forged Passports were in play.

Talk of "blame" is ignorant nonsense.

Note, by the way, that purposely tainting the information on the Passport documents put the agents at risk. It is reasonable to conclude that they chose to incur this incremental risk in in an effort to shield the innocent from recrimination. This ethic contrasts so deeply with the persistent approach of Hamas/Hizbolluh as to cry out for commendation. Yet again: very, very well done!


The blinders are remarkable. Once again ...

Interesting that these murdering thugs meet your approval.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Actually, assassinations or not, unlike the state of Israel, the Brits did execute members of the resistance.

There is a massive difference in both international law and the ethics involved, in Executing terrorists after a trial, and an assassination.
What the Israelis do is illegal.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

You'll have to do what any decent forum member does and scroll back for that. further more, what blame? if you are talking about an indication that the British services were tipped off and had information of the assassination and the method, its completely fair to discuss it now that the it was published on the media.

:flirt:

Discussing media speculation is fair game.
Discussing it as factual is naive in the extreme.
It is quite normal for a guilty party to want to muddy the water, something mossad are very good at.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Interesting that these murdering thugs meet your approval.

Completely.

 

[kai]

What is powerful in chasing someone and murdering him after 20 years?!
you think thats weakness?

BTW: The British Daily Mail said in a report yesterday that "the British foreign intelligence MI-6 had prior knowledge that the Mossad would launch an assassination using forged British passports."

I think that those countries whose passports were used in the crime should do something so as not to be thought that they are involved with the Mossad in the murder!!

I object to the use of British Passports in this operation, if it was Mossad then the Israelis show a lack of regard for british public sentiment for Israel which in my opinion has waned over the years.

On the Other hand we in Britain do not have to live Like Israelis do. I am not surprised by the assassination and i am surprised you are, its well known that they will come after you if you kill Israelis.

The mud has now began to be thrown and the Arab street will never believe that the west had nothing to do with it.

I am certain Fatah had a hand in this.


Britain’s relationship with the Israeli security service reached an all-time low in 1986, when the then Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher closed down Mossad’s UK operation in response to a series of incidents including the discovery of a bag of forged British passports which had been lost by a Mossad agent.
Mossad was allowed to re-establish its presence in the UK only after it promised not to abuse British passports in the future.
Its intelligence-sharing relationship with the security services over such sensitive issues as Iran is now more important than ever, but the Foreign Office source said: “In the past Israel has had a reputation for making life difficult for its friends. It is sincerely to be hoped that this is not the case in this instance.”
Several of the six Britons whose identities were stolen have spoken of their shock at being accused of murder, and of their fears that they could be in danger if Mossad did carry out the assassination.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...to-Israel-over-Dubai-Hamas-assassination.html

 

[Sajdah]

you think thats weakness?

Don't you think so?!

I object to the use of British Passports in this operation,

Good, but didn't you say that they assassinated a "terrorist", then why to object using your own passport in doing such a 'noble' crime?!

if it was Mossad then the Israelis show a lack of regard for british public sentiment for Israel which in my opinion has waned over the years.

And I wish you change your sentiment too. Is that possible?!

On the Other hand we in Britain do not have to live Like Israelis do. I am not surprised by the assassination and i am surprised you are, its well known that they will come after you if you kill Israelis.

I'm not surprised too, I know that's what should be expected from a state was built on terrorism...All what I didn't expect is shifting the battle outside palestine, after losing it inside!!

The mud has now began to be thrown and the Arab street will never believe that the west had nothing to do with it.

No, only the west can change this idea by standing against the Israeli terrorism!

I am certain Fatah had a hand in this.

I agree, but this doesn't mean throwing the accusation on Fatah only and neglecting the great role of the Mossad...After all they work for the Mossad!!

 

[kai]

Don't you think so?!
No i don't!

Good, but didn't you say that they assassinated a "terrorist", then why to object using your own passport in doing such a 'noble' crime?!

I would object to someone using mine to go on holiday let alone assassinate someone.


And I wish you change your sentiment too. Is that possible?!

You dont know what my sentiment is!

I'm not surprised too, I know that's what should be expected from a state was built on terrorism...All what I didn't expect is shifting the battle outside palestine, after losing it inside!!

Hasnt that been the battlefield for years?

No, only the west can change this idea by standing against the Israeli terrorism!
Maybe the ball is in Hamas court not the west.

I agree, but this doesn't mean throwing the accusation on Fatah only and neglecting the great role of the Mossad...After all they work for the Mossad!!

The story twists and turns:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ssassination-of-Hamas-commander-in-Dubai.html

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3852124,00.html

 

[Caladan]

There is a massive difference in both international law and the ethics involved, in Executing terrorists after a trial, and an assassination.
What the Israelis do is illegal.

On second consideration I take back my observation. the British mandate was some decades ago, in different times, with different methods, and a different reality.
However, as the saying goes: All's fair in love and war. there is much in western policies in general when it comes to the struggle against international terrorism that is under the lens and has been criticized, and simply is not going to change.

Discussing media speculation is fair game.
Discussing it as factual is naive in the extreme.

Well go ahead and point to the members you believe are taking media information as gospel.

It is quite normal for a guilty party to want to muddy the water, something mossad are very good at.

Are you implying that the Mossad are behind the daily mail or Telegraph?