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Is the Mossad responsible?

Caladan

Agnostic Pantheist
As is your right. But perhaps you would be willing to answer the question that so many studiously avoid: what would your judgment be if the target was bin Laden and the presumed assassins US agents?
Actually there is a big difference. by various sources Bin Laden has not been active for a long time, on the other hand terrorist chiefs who have been active have also been targeted by the US, as in the case of Taliban chief Baitullah Mehsud who was killed along with his wife in a US drone attack earlier this year.
such is the case with Mahmoud al-Mabhouh, who was an active Hammas commander active in bringing weapons into the Gaza strip and was wanted by the Israeli, Egyptian and Jordanian governments.
 
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Caladan

Agnostic Pantheist
Who's land and homes are being taken away? Why blame Hamas for wanting to destroy Israel? Would you sit by if your land was being taken away by settlers?
In 2005, Israel evicted settlements in the Gaza strip in what was known as the disengagement plan. the response from the Gaza strip?... taking advantage of the new range for rockets which eventually reached some of the most populated urban centers in the area.
 

Jayhawker Soule

-- untitled --
Premium Member
Actually there is a big difference. by various sources Bin Laden has not been active for a long time, on the other hand terrorist chiefs who have been active have also been targeted by the US, as in the case of Taliban chief Baitullah Mehsud who was killed along with his wife in a US drone attack.
such is the case with Mahmoud al-Mabhouh, who was an active Hammas commander active in bringing weapons into the Gaza strip and was wanted by the Israeli, Egyptian and Jordanian governments.
:bow: true :bow:

Parenthetically, have you noticed that no one seems to know or care about Mahmoud al-Mabhouh passport? Perhaps because he's not Jewish.
 

Caladan

Agnostic Pantheist
:bow: true :bow:

Parenthetically, have you noticed that no one seems to know or care about Mahmoud al-Mabhouh passport? Perhaps because he's not Jewish.
Well to be fair. i'm more than willing to take the criticism, because unlike the regime in the Gaza strip, I expect the government of Israel to take responsibility over its role in regional politics.
 
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kai

ragamuffin
Well to be fair. i'm more than willing to take the criticism, because unlike the regime in the Gaza strip, I expect the government of Israel to take responsibility over its role in regional politics.

Exactly.
 

dogsgod

Well-Known Member
In 2005, Israel evicted settlements in the Gaza strip in what was known as the disengagement plan. the response from the Gaza strip?... taking advantage of the new range for rockets which eventually reached some of the most populated urban centers in the area.
Israel evicted the settlements in Gaza so as to effectively turn Gaza into a prison complete with air strikes without worries of harming Israelis.
 

Caladan

Agnostic Pantheist
Israel evicted the settlements in Gaza so as to effectively turn Gaza into a prison complete with air strikes without worries of harming Israelis.
First you justified Hamas as they are supposedly in resistance to Israeli expansion into their territory, ignoring (or rather being ignorant of) the disengagement plan and the fact that Israeli settlements around the Gaza strip were evicted in 2005. and now you resort to meaningless rhetorics. the Israeli settlements in the Gaza strip did not make it any less possible to target Hamas leaders from the air prior to the eviction in 2005.
 
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dogsgod

Well-Known Member
First you justified Hamas as they are supposedly in resistance to Israeli expansion into their territory, ignoring (or rather being ignorant of) the disengagement plan and the fact that Israeli settlements in the Gaza strip were evicted in 2005. and now you resort to meaningless rhetorics. the Israeli settlements in the Gaza strip did not make it any less possible to target Hamas leaders from the air prior to the eviction in 2005.
I mistakenly connected Hamas with the West Bank when I posted at four a.m. this morning, but my last statement stands, the reason for pulling the settlers out was in order to turn Gaza into a prison.
 

xkatz

Well-Known Member
I think you're wrong. Several of the passports used were Irish and I don't believe many would consider the Irish government to be pro-Israeli.

I think whoever did this made sure that the passports would be found out on purpose in order not to involve 'innocents'.

Even if they were, it is without a doubt Mossad IMO, which is the main point.
 

sandandfoam

Veteran Member
I heard a twist from an Irish perspective this morning on the radio.
It seems a former Irish premier was, in the past, instrumental in procuring Irish passports for some Palestinians. In a strange coincidence apparently an address belonging to him was used on one of the passports carried by the hit team.
 

dogsgod

Well-Known Member
  1. 'Gaza is a jail. Nobody is allowed to leave. We are all starving ...

    8 Sep 2006 ... Gaza is dying. The Israeli siege of the Palestinian enclave is so tight that its people are on the edge of starvation.

  1. ei: Bombing to make the Gaza prison even more secure for Israel

    7 Jan 2009 ... The Electronic Intifada: Opinion/Editorial: Bombing to make the Gaza prison even more secure for Israel.

UN human rights envoy says Gaza a prison for Palestinians ...

Israel has turned the Gaza Strip into a prison for Palestinians where life is ... "Gaza is a prison and Israel seems to have thrown away the key," he said. ...
 

Jayhawker Soule

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Premium Member
Israel has turned the Gaza Strip into a prison for Palestinians where life is ... "Gaza is a prison and Israel seems to have thrown away the key," he said. ...
No, Hamas, enabled by the moral bankruptcy of a vitriolic peanut gallery, has turned the Gaza Strip into a prison for Palestinians.
 

kai

ragamuffin
I heard a twist from an Irish perspective this morning on the radio.
It seems a former Irish premier was, in the past, instrumental in procuring Irish passports for some Palestinians. In a strange coincidence apparently an address belonging to him was used on one of the passports carried by the hit team.

ah the plot thickens!!!
 

kai

ragamuffin
  1. 'Gaza is a jail. Nobody is allowed to leave. We are all starving ...

    8 Sep 2006 ... Gaza is dying. The Israeli siege of the Palestinian enclave is so tight that its people are on the edge of starvation.

  1. ei: Bombing to make the Gaza prison even more secure for Israel

    7 Jan 2009 ... The Electronic Intifada: Opinion/Editorial: Bombing to make the Gaza prison even more secure for Israel.

UN human rights envoy says Gaza a prison for Palestinians ...

Israel has turned the Gaza Strip into a prison for Palestinians where life is ... "Gaza is a prison and Israel seems to have thrown away the key," he said. ...



Heres a thought!!! Hamas renounces violence , throws down its weapons ,recognises Israel right to exist, joins a political process of reconciliation,Israel and Egypt ends the blockade the west pours in millions of dollars to rebuild Gaza and we all live happily ever after.


well a man can dream cant he?
 

sandandfoam

Veteran Member
ah the plot thickens!!!

Doesn't it just.
The guy talking on the radio was shut down pretty quickly by the presenter on this but it was interesting.
He began in talking about some Hamas guy who was responsible for the deaths of hundreds of Israelis. Apparently this guy had developed the use of the mobile phone as a bomb trigger. Someone got 6 oz's of high explosive into his cellphone and when he answered it he was killed instantly.
The man telling the story said the point was if you live by the sword.......
He went straight from that into how Albert Reynolds had procured Irish passports for these Palestinians and what a coincidence it was that an address of his be used on one of these passports, at which point the presenter shut him down and moved swiftly on. Intriguing.
 

Sahar

Well-Known Member
Heres a thought!!! Hamas renounces violence , throws down its weapons ,recognises Israel right to exist, joins a political process of reconciliation,Israel and Egypt ends the blockade the west pours in millions of dollars to rebuild Gaza and we all live happily ever after.


well a man can dream cant he?
What about the expanding ongoing zionist settlements?
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
Heres a thought!!! Hamas renounces violence , throws down its weapons ,recognises Israel right to exist, joins a political process of reconciliation,Israel and Egypt ends the blockade the west pours in millions of dollars to rebuild Gaza and we all live happily ever after.


well a man can dream cant he?

Eventhough my surefire retirement plan is to win the New York State Lottery, I think you might be a wee bit too optimistic.
 

arimoff

Active Member
Heres a thought!!! Hamas renounces violence , throws down its weapons ,recognises Israel right to exist, joins a political process of reconciliation,Israel and Egypt ends the blockade the west pours in millions of dollars to rebuild Gaza and we all live happily ever after.


well a man can dream cant he?

Im glad you mentioned that Egypt is part of the blockade but no body on the Muslim side complains about it, they are just being biased to one side, so it is merely a religious reason then a geographical one.
 

croak

Trickster
No, Hamas, enabled by the moral bankruptcy of a vitriolic peanut gallery, has turned the Gaza Strip into a prison for Palestinians.
That was interesting clause in the middle. You have an interesting way with words.

In any case, you're saying that a community virtually sealed in, with Israeli soldiers watching every entrance and exit, preventing all kinds of supplies from getting in.... Oh wait, that's Hamas's fault! ... wait, what?

Life in the 'open prison' of Gaza is from 2008, but not much seems to have changed, eh? Oh, and I just noticed dogsgod had an article from 2006. So, let us go from 2006: 2006. 2007. 2008. 2009. 2010. Oh yeah, I'm sure making peace with Israel is at the front of their minds. I'm sure soldiers turning them back for medical treatment, settler harassment, and oh, the fact that the Palestinians consider it their land definitely helps.

I went to talk about his case with a spokesman for the Israeli government who pointed out that the border closures were for security reasons.

And when we got on to the subject of seriously ill patients being allowed out of Gaza for treatment, he told me that, while some patients had been let out, it was his view that terminally ill ones posed a potential danger to Israel

They had nothing to live for, he suggested, so they might blow themselves up and become suicide bombers.

Source: Life in the 'open prison' of Gaza
"I'm dying of cancer, but I might live if I get treatment!" "Or you might blow yourself up, so we'll keep you in, where you'll have no chance to live, but hey, you won't blow yourself up." And then you're surprised that people still fire rockets.


Heres a thought!!! Hamas renounces violence , throws down its weapons ,recognises Israel right to exist, joins a political process of reconciliation,Israel and Egypt ends the blockade the west pours in millions of dollars to rebuild Gaza and we all live happily ever after.


well a man can dream cant he?
How about Israel stops building new (illegal) settlements, allows Gaza to receive necessary supplies (like building materials, gas, food maybe?), and other important matters? Maybe then they could try having a civil sit-down. Of course, that involves not assassinating your opponents in foreign countries in the meanwhile.


Am I asking for too much? Trust me, when you've got Israel destroying your country right before your eyes, well, peace isn't the first thing on your mind. Maybe a cease-fire, ensuing talks... but peace? That's not an overnight thing, especially in the region.


Also, what right to exist? The right of any state in the world to exist (maybe according to international law) or the right given by God to allow people of a certain religion living all over the world to live in their own state whether they can prove descent or not (I guess people who convert to Judaism can also trace their ancestry to the area — or can people not convert? I think they can, and they have, but correct me if I'm wrong)? Oh, so what if people have papers saying that it's their land? It was ours first! (Although I'm sure there were people before the Israelites, but now I'm just ranting.)


Im glad you mentioned that Egypt is part of the blockade but no body on the Muslim side complains about it, they are just being biased to one side, so it is merely a religious reason then a geographical one.
Egypt's made peace with Israel and so if Israel wants to blockade Gaza, I wouldn't be surprised that Egypt does the same, especially because they could be accused of supporting terrorism (which they probably already are at times), their relationship with Israel could suffer, etc. I think people on the Arab side (why just Muslims? I know Christians as well, and there are Arab Jews) don't mention Egypt as much because, as I said, it's tied into Israel's position, and many don't like Egypt's support of Israel anyway, it's a given. Governments do what is in their interest, and try to get away with what they can. (Yes, I am cynical, and of all governments.)


-scratches head- Why do I always feel that I'm ranting on this thread? Maybe I am, maybe not. Maybe I should just read and not reply. xD
 
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