Is the Mossad responsible?

[Sajdah]

Maybe the ball is in Hamas court not the west.

Really? I didn't know that.....So in your opinion what could Hamas do so as to make the Arab street not believe that the west has any kind of any involvement in such crime?!

The story twists and turns:

Fatah members linked with assassination of Hamas commander in Dubai - Telegraph

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3852124,00.html

Okay, so in your opinion it swings between Hamas and Fatah depending on zionist propaganda?!..... I agree with Terrywoodenpic, the Mossad tries to throw the accusation on any one else to get away with it, but we are not fools to believe them!!!


http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3852124,00.html

 

[kai]

Really? I didn't know that.....So in your opinion what could Hamas do so as to make the Arab street not believe that the west has any kind of any involvement in such crime?! I think it serves the purposes of Hamas to demonize the west at every opportunity.


Okay, so in your opinion it swings between Hamas and Fatah depending on zionist propaganda?!..... I agree with Terrywoodenpic, the Mossad tries to throw the accusation on any one else to get away with it, but we are not fools to believe them!!!


http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3852124,00.html

The Telegraph is Zionist propaganda????????

 

[Baydwin]

Talk of "blame" is ignorant nonsense.

Quite correct, if I had been thinking clearer I would have worded it;
"In a similar way that any nation would be if we took out one of our enemies in the guise of..."

1. The target was fully worthy of assassination.
2. The effort was complex, well planned, and well executed.
3. The effect was surgical with no significant collateral damage.
4. The Passports used were intentionally flawed (wrong birthdays, wrong middle names) insuring that they would be recognized as forgeries in retrospect, thereby protecting the holders of the original documents.
5. The intelligence apparatus of at least one country was notified in advance that forged Passports were in play.

I've underlined the only part relevant to what I said and, to be frank, it doesn't make any difference.
The only problem I had was the use of forged British documents. I'm not crying any tears over the dead man, nor am I patting Mossad on the back. The assassination is none of my concern.

The blinders are remarkable. Once again ...

I resent that.

 

[Sajdah]

I think it serves the purposes of Hamas to demonize the west at every opportunity.

That doesn't answer my question, plus the west is demonizing itself by the endless support of the zionist terrorism, there is no need for Hamas to do such thing!

The Telegraph is Zionist propaganda????????

You know that I was not talking about the Telegraph, as I agree that some elements in Fatah are involved.... I was referring to the other link!

 

[xkatz]

Since the passports were those of real people, I would have to say this is the doing of the Mossad, since they would probably have the "connections" to get them (ie UK, France, etc.). I think the Europeans are just asking how they got those passports so it looks like they didn't actually lend them to the Mossad.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Are you implying that the Mossad are behind the daily mail or Telegraph?

Their media section will certainly be feeding stories to them , they are unlikely to miss them from their list.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Are you implying that the Mossad are behind the daily mail or Telegraph?

You blind fool. The Zionist cabal took over the news media even before we extracted control over the banks, the film industry and lox production.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

You blind fool. The Zionist cabal took over the news media even before we extracted control over the banks, the film industry and lox production.

Many a jest....
The telegraph till recently was owned by Conrad Black who was a massive supporter of the Zoinist cause. It is now owned by the Barklay Brotheres. They are very secretive about everything and their position on the Jewish question is unknown. However there seems to be no change in Telegraph editorials.

 

[sandandfoam]

Since the passports were those of real people, I would have to say this is the doing of the Mossad, since they would probably have the "connections" to get them (ie UK, France, etc.). I think the Europeans are just asking how they got those passports so it looks like they didn't actually lend them to the Mossad.

I think you're wrong. Several of the passports used were Irish and I don't believe many would consider the Irish government to be pro-Israeli.

I think whoever did this made sure that the passports would be found out on purpose in order not to involve 'innocents'.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I resent that.

As is your right. But perhaps you would be willing to answer the question that so many studiously avoid: what would your judgment be if the target was bin Laden and the presumed assassins US agents?

 

[dogsgod]

As is your right. But perhaps you would be willing to answer the question that so many studiously avoid: what would your judgment be if the target was bin Laden and the presumed assassins US agents?

My reaction would be exactly the same regardless of who commits a crime. If bin Laden is a suspect he should be arrested, given a fair trial, and a life sentence if found guilty of the crime he's accused of. I doubt anyone has actual evidence on him but we'll probably never know.

 

[kai]

As is your right. But perhaps you would be willing to answer the question that so many studiously avoid: what would your judgment be if the target was bin Laden and the presumed assassins US agents?

A good question!!!

my reaction would be the same if the US cloned British passports of ordinary people ,I am sure there would be outrage if the secret service cloned US citizens passports without their knowledge.

i would shed no tears for the target but the way the operation was carried out leaves a bad smell.

 

[Yerda]

i would shed no tears for the target but the way the operation was carried out leaves a bad smell.

At the very least we can be grateful they didn't plant a car bomb and blow up half-a-dozen people on the street with the target.

I remember being angry with the decision of the IDF to shoot rockets into the home of a Hamas militant. In fact, I debated the issue with Jay. About ten members of that guy's family were killed, wives, sisters, nephews, so on, and to be honest it still disgusts me. But I think I was one of very few who felt that way. That people are up in arms about one dude, one nasty piece of work, getting smoked, because false documents were used is just mental. I'd like to live in a world where extra-judicial killing isn't possible (or even judicial killing for that matter) but to be honest, even if they'd used my passport I could hardly be any less concerned.

 

[kai]

At the very least we can be grateful they didn't plant a car bomb and blow up half-a-dozen people on the street with the target.

I remember being angry with the decision of the IDF to shoot rockets into the home of a Hamas militant. In fact, I debated the issue with Jay. About ten members of that guy's family were killed, wives, sisters, nephews, so on, and to be honest it still disgusts me. But I think I was one of very few who felt that way. That people are up in arms about one dude, one nasty piece of work, getting smoked, because false documents were used is just mental. I'd like to live in a world where extra-judicial killing isn't possible (or even judicial killing for that matter) but to be honest, even if they'd used my passport I could hardly be any less concerned.

Lets get my position clear Hamas has sworn to destroy Israel the are for all intents and purposes at war. i have a respect for the Mossad and the fact that everyone knows if you kill Israelis they will reach out and get you wherever you are . Now if its clandestine and no innocent lives are lost then fine by me. But when they start getting caught then they will have to pay the consequences .Thats the name of the game.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Lets get my position clear Hamas has sworn to destroy Israel the are for all intents and purposes at war. i have a respect for the Mossad and the fact that everyone knows if you kill Israelis they will reach out and get you wherever you are . Now if its clandestine and no innocent lives are lost then fine by me. But when they start getting caught then they will have to pay the consequences .Thats the name of the game.

My ethics are not as selective as that.

Assassination is illegal and wrong... it makes no difference that "you say you are going to do it, and evey one knows"
Every one knows, suicide bombers will take out Israelies but that is not right either.

If every country sent agents to kill their enemies on neutral or foreign soil it would be the end of international law.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

As is your right. But perhaps you would be willing to answer the question that so many studiously avoid: what would your judgment be if the target was bin Laden and the presumed assassins US agents?

I have not avoided the question ... my position is clear, assassination is illegal.

Arrest him, try him, and if he is found guilty, carry out the law.

If he is killed in action in a theatre of war, he takes his chances like any one else.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

My reaction would be exactly the same regardless of who commits a crime.

Your reaction is predictable and of absolutely no concern to me.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I have not avoided the question ... my position is clear, assassination is illegal.

So is littering. Your position is morally bankrupt.

 

[dogsgod]

Lets get my position clear Hamas has sworn to destroy Israel the are for all intents and purposes at war. i have a respect for the Mossad and the fact that everyone knows if you kill Israelis they will reach out and get you wherever you are . Now if its clandestine and no innocent lives are lost then fine by me. But when they start getting caught then they will have to pay the consequences .Thats the name of the game.

Who's land and homes are being taken away? Why blame Hamas for wanting to destroy Israel? Would you sit by if your land was being taken away by settlers?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Shhh ... your ignorance is showing.