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Is the "serpent" God?

sandy whitelinger

Veteran Member
sandy whitelinger said:
So God punished himself?
"And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life: And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel." Genesis 3:14-15 kjv
And why not?

Please look at the reference. First, God is not in the garden talking to Himself saying those things. Second, there is no evidence that those specific punishments happened to God.
 

Willamena

Just me
Premium Member
Why does the Bible have so many holes in it then if it should be the basis of a grand theology? So much play with language? It seems to me as if it was designed to be unclear and translated in many ways.
Maybe it was designed to just be a big riddle.
I think the thing is that it wasn't "designed". It's more like an anthology.
 

EtuMalku

Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
The Serpent is Lucifer and brought the truth to us.
Aside from the facts that the Biblical story is yet another retelling of much older Pagan myths, we have the word 'Eden' which is of Sumerian origin 'edinu' or paradise. Then we have the 'Uraeus' or the Egyptian cobra headdress which symbolized the 'Lord of Life & Death' the ultimate symbol of earthly power. From Qabalah's Gemetria we see that the esoteric number of the serpent in Eden is the same as that of the Messiah. We have two serpents coiled around the Tree of Life which signified 'gnosis' and is a mirror image of what DNA looks like.

I could go on but I will direct you to a good article on our Serpent Redeemer

Lucifer Worship
 

JamBar85

Master Designer
doppelgänger;1074055 said:
Maybe you just don't know how to understand the language of talking snakes. :shrug:

No no. I just don't believe in talking snakes. I'm no snake expert but i'm pretty sure they don't have vocal chords.
 

gnostic

The Lost One
JamBar85 said:
I don't believe in talking snakes
doppelganger said:
Maybe you just don't know how to understand the language of talking snakes.
shrug.gif
In order to talk to snakes, you need to Harry Potter, Lord Volemort or Dr Dolittle.
 

JamBar85

Master Designer
I have to ask this. But why a snake?

Why not a koala bear or a tortoise or something? I'm not trying to be funny or clever or anything I just want to know why that particular animal. If any reason at all.
 

Willamena

Just me
Premium Member
I have to ask this. But why a snake?

Why not a koala bear or a tortoise or something? I'm not trying to be funny or clever or anything I just want to know why that particular animal. If any reason at all.
At this point in time, I believe, we can only speculate as to why the snake/serpent/dragon was such a common motif in many mythologies. Here's some information about it.

Serpent (symbolism) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

JamBar85

Master Designer
Thanks for that Willamena. Quite interesting.

Interesting how they're seen as a negative symbol in one religion and positive in another. I think no matter how much I read about it though, I'll always wonder why a snake tricked them.
 

blueman

God's Warrior
This is just a little theory I have.

In Genesis, there is a serpent that talk and dupe Eve into eating the fruit that God forbidden.

Christians have equated this serpent to Satan, even today.

There is no direct link between the serpent and Satan. Satan is never named, in this episode. In fact, he (Satan) is never named in the Torah (Genesis, Exodus, Numbers, Leviticus and Deuteronomy), not even in his later incarnation of Devil, Lucifer, etc.

My theory is that the serpent is not Satan, but God.

I don't think God wanted to Adam and Eve to stay in the garden, and he tested them. He deliberately put the tree there, knowing that they would fail, even though he had warned Adam against eating it.

I don't think the serpent was Satan, but God.
What a stretch of a theory???? Makes no sense whatsover and does not align with events that transpired subsequent to said events over the next 1000 years.
 

Willamena

Just me
Premium Member
Interesting how they're seen as a negative symbol in one religion and positive in another. I think no matter how much I read about it though, I'll always wonder why a snake tricked them.
Or even, interesting how they'd seem a negative symbol in one religion and a positive one in the same religion to another person with a different understanding. That "snake," for instance, is not evil in everyone's Christianity.

I think if you keep asking that, reading and searching, you may find the answer you seek.
 

JamBar85

Master Designer
Or even, interesting how they'd seem a negative symbol in one religion and a positive one in the same religion to another person with a different understanding. That "snake," for instance, is not evil in everyone's Christianity.

I think if you keep asking that, reading and searching, you may find the answer you seek.

Yeah thats a good point. There seems to be so much to cover. That's just over one issue in the bible.

Also, I didn't know there was more than one type of christianity. Religion appears to be a lot deeper than I originally thought.


The influence and effects of evil and sin pre and post 1st century. This did not derive from God.

Who or what did it derive from?
 

gnostic

The Lost One
blueman said:
What a stretch of a theory????

No more a stretch than a talking snake, a world being created in 6 days, light being created to divide day and night without a sun, man created out of the earth, and lastly, my personal favorite - woman created out of Adam's rib.

What is wrong with the theory that God could possibly be the snake that deceived Eve? Seriously, I don't believe in God, because I see know proof of since I am able to read and write. For that matter I don't believe in Satan. But if I did believe in such things then all likelihood there is no Satan, but two sides of God, good and bad.

God's bad side masquerade as a snake to entrap Eve into eating the fruit. Since Eve didn't know right from wrong, thus she couldn't tell between a truth or lie, she was easily deceived.

C'mon now.

God is supposed to be all-knowing. Why did God make no mention of Satan? God himself refer the serpent as a serpent, but not to Satan?

If the God really knew who the snake was, then it would have punished Satan himself.

JamBar85 said:
I have to ask this. But why a snake?

I didn't think much of the snake being able to talk when I first read the Genesis. As I became more and more involved with mythology and folklore, I now believed that the Genesis, at least in the case with a narrative of the Eden, that I see it as fable, thus a myth. Sumerian, Babylonian and Egyptian myths contain many fables of animals that can talk.

My specialty is not religion, but mythology, and seeing Sumerian and Old Babylonian literature that are older than the composition of Genesis, I began to question the Bible's truthfulness.
 
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