Is there a Migrant crisis

[fantome profane]

There are not too many from South America. Central America yes. South America begins at Colombia and goes south from there. Central America is part of North America. They are the countries north of Colombia and south of Mexico.

You are correct, I misspoke.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Probably, but then there would be claims from people on the right of giving away "are jerbs!!".

"Dey tuk ur jooobz!"

 

[Subduction Zone]

"Dey tuk ur jooobz!"

I saw the funny rating and had forgotten about that well known line that I put in there. It is nice to be appreciated.

It is a bit ironic that these are immigrants that are following the rules and want to work, but cannot do so legally, and those on the right are still complaining.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I saw the funny rating and had forgotten about that well known line that I put in there. It is nice to be appreciated.

It is a bit ironic that these are immigrants that are following the rules and want to work, but cannot do so legally, and those on the right are still complaining.

Yeah. Just like they never stopped complaining tbat those here illegally get all this stuff just handed to them and all kinds 9f perks and benefits thats citizens since birth never get.

 

[sun rise]

There is a crisis but mostly in states with draconian policies leading to a shortage of people who want to work but are not here legally and where Americans won't take those jobs.

 

[metis]

With regard to the OP, I think New York is getting a taste of its asinine policy of being a so-called "sanctuary city".

At least they are trying to help those in need instead of turning a blind eye towards them.

BTW, shouldn't Abbott and DeSantis be charged with "human trafficking"?

And where is Congress on this? Isn't this their domain?

 

[anna.]

That is an incorrect statement. The vast majority of southern border crossers since 2021 have come from "Northern Triangle" and other non-Mexican countries whose inhabitants never ever owned any part of the United States.

From the link I posted earlier in the thread, information from Dec. 2022:

Mexico and Central America still remain major sources of migration to the U.S., too, according to the CBP data. Mexico and Guatemala were the top two countries for migration,

 

[Subduction Zone]

There is a crisis but mostly in states with draconian policies leading to a shortage of people who want to work but are not here legally and where Americans won't take those jobs.

Yes, I am not an opponent to "illegal immigrants" either. If either the Republicans or Democrats really wanted to get rid of illegal immigrants the laws are already in place. But neither party enforces them because they know that we need those workers. It is just that both parties see a benefit from the status quo. Sooner or later those people will be citizens and they quite often become Democrats. Republicans see them as a talking point, even they know that the big business that supports their party monetarily needs them, so they never go beyond talk except to sometimes terrorize the immigrants at the border as they have been doing in Texas lately.

 

[YmirGF]

You should have read the article before writing a post that paints you as a racist. Now you may not be one, but when one rushes to judgment one can give a false impression in that direction.

The first line was tangential and not directed at the article. I am sorry for any confusion on that front. I should have been clearer. I keep forgetting that I am living in an era of psychological fragility and must pay closer attention when navigating mundane activities. That said, calling me a racist, is hilarious. If you want to think of me as a racist, fill your fricken boots. I do not much care.

For one thing, these are not illegal aliens. They are going through the system. Illegal aliens try to avoid the system because they know that they are here illegally. These are asylum seekers and they would apparently like to be working:

'In recent weeks, he has pushed for additional assistance from both the state and federal government, calling on President Joe Biden to expedite work authorizations for migrants to alleviate pressure on the city shelter system. Back in April, Adams notably said during a press conference, “The president and the White House have failed this city.” '

Illegal aliens are here to work at jobs that pay less than is legal, but is better than the pay that they get at home. Many illegal aliens are recruited by US businesses that need more laborers. These migrants that are seeking asylum would actually become "illegal aliens" if they did take on jobs. The city wants them to have permissions to have jobs so that they can work here and not be a strain on city services.

Now, could the Biden administration have done better? Probably, but then there would be claims from people on the right of giving away "are jerbs!!".

Oh good grief, you have a disaster on your hands, don't even try to tell me what a great job people are doing in spite of this. It is the policies over several administrations that have made this mess.

 

[YmirGF]

At least they are trying to help those in need instead of turning a blind eye towards them.

It's a bit hard to turn a blind eye at your southern border, but Mr. Biden and crew are certainly doing their best. No doubt, Kamala is all over this job.

BTW, shouldn't Abbott and DeSantis be charged with "human trafficking"?

Why not? Firing squads at dawn?

And where is Congress on this? Isn't this their domain?

Um, you tell me. It's your government, not mine.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The first line was tangential and not directed at the article. I am sorry for any confusion on that front. I should have been clearer. I keep forgetting that I am living in an era of psychological fragility and must pay closer attention when navigating mundane activities. That said, calling me a racist, is hilarious. If you want to think of me as a racist, fill your fricken boots. I do not much care.

I see that you are not paying attention. You may be a racist. I am not saying that you are or that you are not. But your reaction was one what a racist would have. One thing that almost all racists have in common is that they deny being racists. So your denial is meaningless. We would expect to see such a response regardless if you are a racist or not.

Oh good grief, you have a disaster on your hands, don't even try to tell me what a great job people are doing in spite of this. It is the policies over several administrations that have made this mess.

Do we? I think that the problem is more hype than anything else. We have jobs that we need people to take. Businesses are not willing to pay enough to hire citizens. They actively recruit workers from across the border. These people come to work but it is illegal for them to work here. We do have the means of shutting this down very easily. It involves the IRS so you should know that there are teeth to the laws that exist. Right now an employer is supposed to verify that one's workers are citizens. If they hire people that are not citizens the money that they pay them is not tax deductible. It is technically "profit" and they can be taxed on that. No one in DC wants to pull that trigger and have that law enforced. It would ruin our economy.

The one cure that would keep us from being hypocrites is heavily opposed by the Republicans, even though it is mostly Republican owned businesses which knowingly hire illegal aliens. We could go back to the days of much more open borders and have legal migrant workers. Workers that could come up here and work a while and earn a pile of cash or send it home and then return when the wanted to. By ending that program and pretending that a "problem" was solved is insane. The work still needs to be done. US citizens will not pick lettuce or strawberries for a wage that would make them affordable for most citizens so we still have "illegal aliens" come across the border. But since it is harder to get back in most end up trying to become citizens eventually. But there kids are legal, and neither the parents nor them want to do the menial work of their parents so they enter the "regular" work areas and once again we need more cheap labor from our neighbor to the south.

Sooner or later we will have to pay a living wage for all work. And stoop labor will have to be a higher paying job so that Americans are willing to work them. Just for fun compare the price of produce in America to Japan. Japan does not allow migrant workers. They have to pay their workers good money. Their fresh produce is much more expensive than ours is. Canada probably benefits from this too. Most of your produce probably comes from the US or Mexico. I don't see what would look like ridiculous prices up north so you clearly are not paying your own to pick fresh fruits, etc..

 

[Valjean]

That is an incorrect statement. The vast majority of southern border crossers since 2021 have come from "Northern Triangle" and other non-Mexican countries whose inhabitants never ever owned any part of the United States.

The point referred to the Mexican-American war, in which the US invaded Mexico, much like Russia invaded Ukraine or Germany did Russia. More than half of the country of Mexico was annexed by the U.S. in a flagrant land-grab.

 

[Shaul]

From the link I posted earlier in the thread, information from Dec. 2022:

Mexico and Central America still remain major sources of migration to the U.S., too, according to the CBP data. Mexico and Guatemala were the top two countries for migration,

That doesn't mean Mexicans make up the majority of those that crossed the southern border. And Guatemalans never had any claims to any U.S. territory. In fiscal 2022 only one third of southern border crossers came from Mexico.

 

[Valjean]

The problem in New York is not the influx of people looking for a better life. The probem is that New York has nowhere for them to live. It's the same problem that every big city in the country has, and cities in a lot of other countries, have, too. As the rich get richer they skew the cost of everything further and further toward the wealthy. Soon the less wealthy can no longer afford to live in them. And this is very bad for cities because they need to have a wide range of economic participation for them to function.

Moreover, the Neoliberal gospel -- in effect since 1982, holds that allocating money for something that doesn't yield a profit is immoral; a breach of duty to stockholders and owners.

Investment in affordable housing, infrastructure, education, &, does not yield short-term profits.

 

[Valjean]

Yeah. Just like they never stopped complaining tbat those here illegally get all this stuff just handed to them and all kinds 9f perks and benefits thats citizens since birth never get.

What makes them less worthy of life, liberty and the pursute of happiness, than native-born citizens? Aren't these rights inalienable and "endowed by their creator?"

 

[fantome profane]

That doesn't mean Mexicans make up the majority of those that crossed the southern border. And Guatemalans never had any claims to any U.S. territory. In fiscal 2022 only one third of southern border crossers came from Mexico.

Does this really matter to you? If the majority were Mexican citizens would it alter your position in anyway?

 

[Shaul]

Does this really matter to you? If the majority were Mexican citizens would it alter your position in anyway?

I am just pointing out errors in posts made by Anna. Why is that a problem?

 

[Shaul]

The point referred to the Mexican-American war, in which the US invaded Mexico, much like Russia invaded Ukraine or Germany did Russia. More than half of the country of Mexico was annexed by the U.S. in a flagrant land-grab.

Then anna misstated her intended point. And, assuming that was the point she intended to make it would still be erroneous.

 

[anna.]

That doesn't mean Mexicans make up the majority of those that crossed the southern border. And Guatemalans never had any claims to any U.S. territory. In fiscal 2022 only one third of southern border crossers came from Mexico.
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Okay, I see what you're saying, and @fantome profane was correct, as you are, that the majority aren't currently from Mexico. Although Mexico has the most migrants by number, they don't make up over half the total for 2022, the 800K+ would've had to be over a million to be called the majority. So thanks for the clarification, I should've worded it more accurately.

Having said that, my comment stands for those 800K+ and for all those who came before them since... 1848, I think? I was just listening to a lecturer today about the treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo.

 

[Left Coast]

Okay, I see what you're saying, and @fantome profane was correct, as you are, that the majority aren't currently from Mexico. Although Mexico has the most migrants by number, they don't make up over half the total for 2022, the 800K+ would've had to be over a million to be called the majority. So thanks for the clarification, I should've worded it more accurately.

Having said that, my comment stands for those 800K+ and for all those who came before them since... 1848, I think? I was just listening to a lecturer today about the treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo.

Anna, my ancestors possessed land in England, Ireland, and Germany. That doesn't give me the right to go over to those countries and enjoy the rights and privileges of the modern citizens of those places without following their current laws. Land has traded sides multiple times over the centuries between many groups of people all over the world. This has often happened through war. We can't change that. We still have to have coherent, workable policies for immigrants today.

Surely you agree?