Is There Anyway To Prevent WW3?

[savagewind]

WOW!

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

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Hi again, Vesti

I appreciate your forthrightness , and your honesty. I feel very similarly in many instances, and it is good to know where people stand and why.
We do encounter many personalities in life that are much different from our own, with life experiences and beliefs foreign to our own, but I am very glad that we can exchange our thoughts in a peaceable discussion. We may differ on many things, but I certainly respect your right to believe whatever you choose to believe. You do
bring up some very valid points, and one I would like to address with you now, if I may--
On the surface, it would seem unfair for all of a person's offspring to pay for the mistakes of the parent.
But there are mitigating factors that apply in this instance that have to be taken into account from the Biblical perspective, if one chooses to look at it as such.
Often times we liken baking a cake in a pan that has a noticeable dent in it... every cake baked in that pan will have a dent in it also.
But much more serious is the sentence of death that was pronounced upon Adam prior to his siring offspring.
No children were conceived or born in the paradise garden where Adam and Eve were, but were born outside of the paradise, after the death sentence had been given them.
Once he lost human perfection, and began the dying process, he could not pass along to his offspring something that he no longer possessed. All of Adam's offspring were born in sin, as inherited from their Father.
This is the reason God made arrangements for a 'Savior', who could pay the ransom price for sin "once for all time" for any who choose to put faith in the merits of that sacrifice of Jesus' perfect human life.

Does any of this seem reasonable to you now?
God , rather than carrying out the death sentence immediately, allowed them to procreate, and grow old in time, before they eventually died, around 900 years of age. It took a long time for a perfect human body to deteriorate. Our weakened bodies today are so far from perfection, I cannot imagine the strength those first humans must have had, can you?

peace to you

Firstly, I just want to thank you, as well, for not simply abandoning the conversation. Believe me when I say I respect someone who maintains their positions, regardless the opposition. I do not mean to degrade, or hurt anyone... as much as (I am sure) it may sound like I do sometimes. My main goal is to get people to think and to question - and try to make the point that there are no acceptable answers to a lot of my questions. Whatever "answer" anyone comes to at that point is theirs to carry on, but at least it got explored, rather than simply accepted at face value. I'm sure I sound like I am completely angry at times, and like a jerk others. It doesn't bother me - I accept it. I simply try to say what I feel should be said (most of the time, that is). I don't claim perfection, and at times I likely am trying to make my comments bite more than I like to admit to myself.

At any rate, only one last set of thoughts. As far as Adam passing on the inability to live forever to his progeny, yes, this does indeed make sense. However, there was more at stake in the punishment doled out by God. Adam and Eve's children were cursed to never know the paradise that God had initially intended for all of mankind - instead they were sent to Earth, to live more difficult lives, and forced to pass God's tests, etc. This is something that is not passed on via genes, or as kind unto kind. Another thing is birthing pains. All girls from that moment forward would experience pain giving birth. Because God was able to apply this (and indeed, supposedly had to apply it in order for it to start happening), it means He could have very easily not applied it. But He chose, instead, to punish all females born throughout the rest of time, based on their initial mother's mistakes and disobedience. This is, no matter how you slice it, a choice to punish innocents for the rest of time.

 

[Daisies4me]

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At any rate, only one last set of thoughts. As far as Adam passing on the inability to live forever to his progeny, yes, this does indeed make sense. However, there was more at stake in the punishment doled out by God. Adam and Eve's children were cursed to never know the paradise that God had initially intended for all of mankind - instead they were sent to Earth, to live more difficult lives, and forced to pass God's tests, etc. This is something that is not passed on via genes, or as kind unto kind. Another thing is birthing pains. All girls from that moment forward would experience pain giving birth. Because God was able to apply this (and indeed, supposedly had to apply it in order for it to start happening), it means He could have very easily not applied it. But He chose, instead, to punish all females born throughout the rest of time, based on their initial mother's mistakes and disobedience. This is, no matter how you slice it, a choice to punish innocents for the rest of time.[/QUOTE]

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Hi again, vesti

You're a very interesting 'thinking' person, imho, and I appreciate that you actually 'dig' into topics and search for deep meanings, and ask the 'hard' questions.
About the Genesis 3:15 scripture.
This is not a thing that many people 'get the sense of' right away. Yet, the actual meanings embedded therein helps us to understand more fully, the pronunciations made by God at that time. It is the first recorded prophecy made by God in the Bible.

Genesis 3: 15 And I will put enmity* between you** and the woman*** and between your offspring (seed) **** and her offspring.***** He will crush (bruise/strike) your head,****** and you will strike* him in the heel.”*******

*Marginal references:
Revelation 12:7
7 And war broke out in heaven: Miʹcha·el and his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled
Revelation 12:17
17 So the dragon became enraged at the woman and went off to wage war with the remaining ones of her offspring, who observe the commandments of God and have the work of bearing witness concerning Jesus.
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Revelation 12:9
9 So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him.
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Revelation 12:1
12 Then a great sign was seen in heaven: A woman was arrayed with the sun, and the moon was beneath her feet, and on her head was a crown of 12 stars,
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John 8:44
44 You are from your father the Devil, and you wish to do the desires of your father. That one was a murderer when he began, and he did not stand fast in the truth, because truth is not in him. When he speaks the lie, he speaks according to his own disposition, because he is a liar and the father of the lie.
1 John 3:10
10 The children of God and the children of the Devil are evident by this fact: Whoever does not practice righteousness does not originate with God, nor does the one who does not love his brother.
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Genesis 22:18
18 And by means of your offspring all nations of the earth will obtain a blessing for themselves because you have listened to my voice.’”
Genesis 49:10
10 The scepter will not depart from Judah, neither the commander’s staff from between his feet, until Shiʹlohcomes, and to him the obedience of the peoples will belong.
Galatians 3:16
16 Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, “and to your descendants,” in the sense of many. Rather, it says, “and to your offspring,” in the sense of one, who is Christ.
Galatians 3:29
29 Moreover, if you belong to Christ, you are really Abraham’s offspring,heirs with reference to a promise.
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Revelation 20:2
2 He seized the dragon, the original serpent, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for 1,000 years.
Revelation 20:10
10 And the Devil who was misleading them was hurled into the lake of fire and sulfur, where both the wild beast and the false prophet already were; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
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Matthew 27:50
50 Again Jesus called out with a loud voice and yielded up his spirit.
Acts 3:15
15 whereas you killed the Chief Agent of life. But God raised him up from the dead, of which fact we are witnesses.
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After reading these scriptures that relate to the first prophecy, what do you glean from them, and does this open more avenues of understanding of the meaning of this prophecy?
There are many other things that we can delve into, but imo, this is the surface information we need to first get the sense of, in order to be able to further examine the pronunciations by God that were also given. To whom was each statement directed, and why?
Who is 'the woman'? very important. hint: NOT Eve.
Thanks for listening
take care

 

[james bond]

So, did we come to the conclusion that WWIII isn't part of the Biblical prophcies as widely believed? It's part of the other prophecisers who only use the Bible as their topic.

 

[Daisies4me]

So, did we come to the conclusion that WWIII isn't part of the Biblical prophcies as widely believed? It's part of the other prophecisers who only use the Bible as their topic.

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Hi JB

If it is, someone should show me where it stated that the world must suffer WW3 in the Scriptures.

Hope you are having a good weekend

 

[james bond]

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Hi JB

If it is, someone should show me where it stated that the world must suffer WW3 in the Scriptures.

Hope you are having a good weekend

There is no Scripture for "WWIII," just like God is not described as "supernatural."

woot! My horse won the Preakness -- Anybody Watching Preakness?.

You have a good one, too.

 

[Daisies4me]

There is no Scripture for "WWIII," just like God is not described as "supernatural."

woot! My horse won the Preakness -- Anybody Watching Preakness?.

You have a good one, too.

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Hi JB

I forgot about the preakness, or else I would have been watching.. boo to me.

Paul refers to 'supernatural visions' at 2 corinthians 12:1.

I could be wrong, but as I understand it, the Bible strongly warns against all forms of spiritism, and the unsavory origins of such less than stellar spirit creatures, or angels, happened just as it did on the earth with humans--they were all created with free will, and some of them chose to rebel against God, and abandoned their position in the heavens, and caused trouble on the earth. the consequence being that the earth became filled with violence.
Those wicked 'angels' still exist today, as they have no death sentence in heaven, and angels must wait until God destroys them, unlike humans who were born under the sin of Adam and die. So the same ones still are around misleading and misguiding people even today, pretending to be 'your long lost gramma or uncle john'... and people wonder how the 'psychic' know about you----the demons see everything that goes on in the earth. They are spirit creatures, and you can't see them, but they see and watch you, which is why the Devil is called 'the great birdcatcher'. but I digress...

The Bible says that those wicked angels have great influence over people on earth, misleading millions, as per Revelation 12:9.

Deuteronomy 18:10-13 is still a good rule of thumb to follow, and 'supernatural' popularity in movies and such can still mislead and misguide those who think it to be 'harmless entertainment', and should be avoided by persons who seek the Peace of God.

I get carried away sometimes.... sorry.

peace

 

[Satyamavejayanti]

wizanda

Hinduism means a large body of water; not a small puddle.... Need to look at things in a much bigger perspective.

I think you need to take your own advise.

Since the prophecies that are stated about said avatar coming are fulfilled, then we're at that time....

No, sorry not according to the Suray Sidhanta and the Puranas, the end of Kali Yuga is not here, another 425,000 years to go

I've spent my life reading all religions, the idea of talking to me like i don't understand Dharmic concepts, as I'm Abrahamic isn't true.

This is not the same as living the experience of a religion.

There is a spiritual war before the day in many different texts; otherwise why do you think Mahapralaya happens, if everyone is already enlightened?

Mahapralay is natural, it happens as part of a cycle, not only because there is Adharmah rampant, what makes you think there is not another Mahapralay after Satuga?

Strange concept, Satya yuga is a time of the enlightened beings, where the Adharmic behavior has been removed....
Fair enough it might come back after awhile; yet the process of renewing the code of the Matrix is to optimize it, and remove flaws that allow such things.

The 4 Yugas all are in continua cycle, there never is a final end and final war ect.

Of course i don't know your own Dharma; same as you've got no idea about mine.

I am not pretending to know your Dharmah, but it seems you are trying to educate me about mine.

 

[james bond]

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Hi JB

I forgot about the preakness, or else I would have been watching.. boo to me.

Paul refers to 'supernatural visions' at 2 corinthians 12:1.

I could be wrong, but as I understand it, the Bible strongly warns against all forms of spiritism, and the unsavory origins of such less than stellar spirit creatures, or angels, happened just as it did on the earth with humans--they were all created with free will, and some of them chose to rebel against God, and abandoned their position in the heavens, and caused trouble on the earth. the consequence being that the earth became filled with violence.
Those wicked 'angels' still exist today, as they have no death sentence in heaven, and angels must wait until God destroys them, unlike humans who were born under the sin of Adam and die. So the same ones still are around misleading and misguiding people even today, pretending to be 'your long lost gramma or uncle john'... and people wonder how the 'psychic' know about you----the demons see everything that goes on in the earth. They are spirit creatures, and you can't see them, but they see and watch you, which is why the Devil is called 'the great birdcatcher'. but I digress...

The Bible says that those wicked angels have great influence over people on earth, misleading millions, as per Revelation 12:9.

Deuteronomy 18:10-13 is still a good rule of thumb to follow, and 'supernatural' popularity in movies and such can still mislead and misguide those who think it to be 'harmless entertainment', and should be avoided by persons who seek the Peace of God.

I get carried away sometimes.... sorry.

peace

I'm not sure what to make of your interpretations, but as far as I know, there are several ways to read the Bible. I use a literal translation, but this is not the complete view of the Biblical scholars. (I can't find the link to the discussion in regards to Genesis on what's below, so can only use creation.com's discussion as the source, i.e. it's not as detailed.

"This is not as difficult as it may seem, as the Bible obviously contains:

• Poetry—as in the Psalms, where the repetition or parallelism of ideas is in accordance with Hebrew ideas of poetry, without the rhyme (parallelism of sound) and metre (parallelism of time) that are important parts of traditional English poetry. This, by the way, is the reason why the Psalms can be translated into other languages and still retain most of their literary appeal and poetic piquancy, while the elements of rhyme and metre are usually lost when traditional Western poetry is translated into other languages.
• Parables—as in many of the sayings of Jesus, such as the parable of the sower (Matthew 13:3–23), which Jesus Himself clearly states to be a parable and about which He gives meanings for the various items, such as the seed and the soil.
• Prophecy—as in the books of the last section of the Old Testament (Isaiah to Malachi).
• Letters—as in the New Testament epistles written by Paul, Peter, John, and others.
• Biography—as in the Gospels.
• Autobiography/testimony—as in the book of Acts where the author, Luke, after narrating the Apostle Paul’s conversion on the road to Damascus as a historical fact (Acts 9:1–19), then describes two further occasions when Paul included this conversion experience as part of his own personal testimony (Acts 22:1–21; 26:1–22).
• Authentic historical facts—as in the books of 1 and 2 Kings, etc."

Should Genesis be taken literally - creation.com

For me, I don't get the full picture of what is to happen with the Biblical prophecies from the Bible. However, it may be a fault of the way that I read it. Thus, I go to other sources in order to use a systematic approach to the issue of prophecies. Sure, there is the skeptical view such as that of James Randi, but if I just relied on him, then we may as well ignore creation. I've heard creationists argue for Nostradamus not being a valid philosophiser using Randi's arguments. That is not how I interpreted Nostradamus and his prophecies. He is a French Catholic Jew. He uses his quatrains in a nebulous manner, so that it can be applied to many things. What he provides for me is successful prophecies based on the topics in the Bible that aren't explained by the Bible. Whether or not his prophecies are accurate 100% of the time is not the question. It's that he provides a systematic approach to the methods of prophecies that is what's important. It's the same with Bruce Bueno de Mesquita. He has a systematic algorithm that calculates his prophecies. Again, it's a systematic approach that has been successful. You can say that the Bible presents a systematic approach and I would agree. It's just that the Bible does not provide enough in detail. For example, I brought up the antichrist and that there will be many of them. I already said that is 100% valid. That said, it wasn't that important to the Biblical prophecy to state how many or who they were. Thus, I apply a systematic approach that which of Nostradamus. It's similar to how I approach gambling in that what I posted on the Preakness. It's not strictly a game of chance, but that of prediction based on historical performance. One can best make this prediction based on a systematic approach is my thinking. This is just my opinion, but as long as I am successful using it, then I do not care what the skeptics say. In the case of the Bible, if the interpretation(s) are correct, then whatever is written will be 100% true.

 

[wizanda]

I am not pretending to know your Dharmah, but it seems you are trying to educate me about mine.

BG 18.47: It is better to do one’s own dharma, even though imperfectly, than to do another’s dharma, even though perfectly. By doing one’s innate duties, a person does not incur sin.

The 4 Yugas all are in continua cycle, there never is a final end and final war ect.

Hindu eschatology - Wikipedia

This is not the same as living the experience of a religion.

True; yet there are often many oral traditions, that we don't find in the textual specifications.

Mahapralay is natural, it happens as part of a cycle, not only because there is Adharmah rampant, what makes you think there is not another Mahapralay after Satuga?

I do think there might be another Mahapralaya after, been through 5 realities so far...

Personally think the manifest universe is code, that keeps being more optimized, and sometimes it needs reformatting, this is what is being discussed.

 

[Daisies4me]

I'm not sure what to make of your interpretations, but as far as I know, there are several ways to read the Bible. I use a literal translation, but this is not the complete view of the Biblical scholars. (I can't find the link to the discussion in regards to Genesis on what's below, so can only use creation.com's discussion as the source, i.e. it's not as detailed.

"This is not as difficult as it may seem, as the Bible obviously contains:

• Poetry—as in the Psalms, where the repetition or parallelism of ideas is in accordance with Hebrew ideas of poetry, without the rhyme (parallelism of sound) and metre (parallelism of time) that are important parts of traditional English poetry. This, by the way, is the reason why the Psalms can be translated into other languages and still retain most of their literary appeal and poetic piquancy, while the elements of rhyme and metre are usually lost when traditional Western poetry is translated into other languages.
• Parables—as in many of the sayings of Jesus, such as the parable of the sower (Matthew 13:3–23), which Jesus Himself clearly states to be a parable and about which He gives meanings for the various items, such as the seed and the soil.
• Prophecy—as in the books of the last section of the Old Testament (Isaiah to Malachi).
• Letters—as in the New Testament epistles written by Paul, Peter, John, and others.
• Biography—as in the Gospels.
• Autobiography/testimony—as in the book of Acts where the author, Luke, after narrating the Apostle Paul’s conversion on the road to Damascus as a historical fact (Acts 9:1–19), then describes two further occasions when Paul included this conversion experience as part of his own personal testimony (Acts 22:1–21; 26:1–22).
• Authentic historical facts—as in the books of 1 and 2 Kings, etc."

Should Genesis be taken literally - creation.com

For me, I don't get the full picture of what is to happen with the Biblical prophecies from the Bible. However, it may be a fault of the way that I read it. Thus, I go to other sources in order to use a systematic approach to the issue of prophecies. Sure, there is the skeptical view such as that of James Randi, but if I just relied on him, then we may as well ignore creation. I've heard creationists argue for Nostradamus not being a valid philosophiser using Randi's arguments. That is not how I interpreted Nostradamus and his prophecies. He is a French Catholic Jew. He uses his quatrains in a nebulous manner, so that it can be applied to many things. What he provides for me is successful prophecies based on the topics in the Bible that aren't explained by the Bible. Whether or not his prophecies are accurate 100% of the time is not the question. It's that he provides a systematic approach to the methods of prophecies that is what's important. It's the same with Bruce Bueno de Mesquita. He has a systematic algorithm that calculates his prophecies. Again, it's a systematic approach that has been successful. You can say that the Bible presents a systematic approach and I would agree. It's just that the Bible does not provide enough in detail. For example, I brought up the antichrist and that there will be many of them. I already said that is 100% valid. That said, it wasn't that important to the Biblical prophecy to state how many or who they were. Thus, I apply a systematic approach that which of Nostradamus. It's similar to how I approach gambling in that what I posted on the Preakness. It's not strictly a game of chance, but that of prediction based on historical performance. One can best make this prediction based on a systematic approach is my thinking. This is just my opinion, but as long as I am successful using it, then I do not care what the skeptics say. In the case of the Bible, if the interpretation(s) are correct, then whatever is written will be 100% true.

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Hi again JB
I recall these points that you made previously, thanks for sharing. I do understand how most gamblers that I have known use statistics and such in their decision making. I don't gamble, I just watch for fun. But I have had a few friends/relatives/neighbors, etc, who took betting on the various venues very seriously . smile. from elation to disaster. from extreme highs, to rages and bottom outs. Most have had very interesting personalities, I might add.
I didn't really expect that the individual scriptures that helped me to understand the use and meanings of certain words stated in the prophecy at Genesis 3:15 would be easily grasped unless one takes that information and uses it as a basis from which to springboard to deeper investigation. I had studied a lot before I was able to understand what it means. It does answer a lot of questions thereafter... just a new a thought for you, As a thinker, you will probably mull it around a bit,.. haha 'Inquiring minds' and all of that. j/k
I have decided after much consideration over the years, to keep philosophy out of the search for Bible understanding. In fact, most philosophers are false teachers anyway. Think Plato and the fake trinity doctrine.
(ducking now...)

Not to worry. just one more option for your consideration or rejection...
take care

 

[URAVIP2ME]

There are certain others I love enough to sacrifice everything for, surely. I would easily and without hesitation lay down my life for my children, and my wife. My father,mother, brother, sister - my brother in law, my best friend, my nephew, my wife's brother or his wife, among others. I might extend this to a stranger, were a situation to present itself in which imminent danger to some person could be prevented by me, but with the side-effect of my possibly incurring that danger myself. But, to be honest, it depends. Were that person someone I knew to be, what I believed, "bad" in some way, honestly I probably would hesitate, I'm not going to lie and pretend I am ultimately "good" and sacrificing, nor do I believe it is plausible to "love" all of your fellow men - especially not as much as one love's himself - this is an unattainable idea in my opinion. If one truly loved all other men as much as he did himself, then wouldn't everything that person needed suddenly become paramount to be provided by that other? I provide for myself, procuring and eating food, making sure I intake water, etc. If I loved another exactly as I loved myself, then wouldn't I have to be doing, or attempting to do those things for them as well?
Maybe a better example - let's say you call the members of your congregation "family", and you claim to love them as you love yourself. One of those members comes to you, explaining that he can't pay his mortgage for the next several months. What do you do? If you loved him as you do yourself, wouldn't you immediately provide for that need if you were able? Surely you would pay your own mortgage in order to take care of yourself? If you loved this other as you did yourself, would you not also then feel obligated to take on those burdens in order to keep up with the love extended to this part of your "self?" Perhaps for a time... but eventually it would drain on you, and you would expect that other to show you some of that love in return, would you not? You would expect them to take on some responsibility, because it is only fair, right? But where does that leave the idea of you loving them as you do yourself? You certainly don't tire of paying your own mortgage in this way, correct? Why do you tire of paying another's mortgage if you love them as you do yourself? Or are there conditions placed on that "love" or the amount of "love?" Of course there are, and for good reason. "Don't feed the bears" and all the reasoning behind that. So you have to admit to not loving your fellow man as you love yourself.
I would dare say even Jesus would have only put up with so much imposition from another individual... his courtesy to them and help given would probably only extend so far. What do you think Jesus would have done if the adultress he saved from the stoning ("Let he who is without sin cast the first stone") had begun following him everywhere, asking for more help with various problems she was having? Do you believe that Jesus would have taken on all of her burdens as requested? If he truly loved her as he loved himself, why wouldn't he? Don't you attempt to always solve your own problems because you care for yourself? Why wouldn't you extend this to another if you truly loved them as you do yourself?

Jesus' self-sacrificing love was about the point that he would die for others - John 15:12-14.
Jesus also gave us an illustration or story about a neighborly good Samaritan at Luke 10:30-37
That Samaritan helped the one in trouble on a one-on-one basis as he could, so conditions on showing love.
We can all widen out, or broaden out, in showing love for others.
So, we can help as best as we can on a one-on-one basis, and that would stand for everyone in the Congregation.
( group effort ) Not just in $$$ but perhaps meals, or helping in finding a job, etc. That is also why there is disaster relief for those in areas where disaster strikes. After helping those in the congregation, then neighbors are helped.
Just as David observed according to Psalms 37:25-26 he did Not see God's people begging for bread (food).

The first 8 verses of John chapter 8 are KJV add ons.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

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At any rate, only one last set of thoughts. As far as Adam passing on the inability to live forever to his progeny, yes, this does indeed make sense. However, there was more at stake in the punishment doled out by God. Adam and Eve's children were cursed to never know the paradise that God had initially intended for all of mankind - instead they were sent to Earth, to live more difficult lives, and forced to pass God's tests, etc. This is something that is not passed on via genes, or as kind unto kind. Another thing is birthing pains. All girls from that moment forward would experience pain giving birth. Because God was able to apply this (and indeed, supposedly had to apply it in order for it to start happening), it means He could have very easily not applied it. But He chose, instead, to punish all females born throughout the rest of time, based on their initial mother's mistakes and disobedience. This is, no matter how you slice it, a choice to punish innocents for the rest of time.

Rather than Adam & Eve's offspring being sent to Earth, they were born here on Earth. Not sent to Earth.
I find the beautiful Genesis paradisical Garden of Eden was on Earth.
Adam was created from the dust of the Earth, and at Adam's death he simply ' returned ' to the dust of the ground according to Genesis 3:19. No double jeopardy for Adam. No post-mortem penalty for Adam.
The only one ' sent to Earth ' was the pre-human heavenly Jesus who God sent from Heaven to Earth.

God's tests, or rather Satan's tests because Job 2:4-5 challenges ALL of us. Satan challenges us in that to ' touch our flesh (loose physical health) and we would Not serve God. Both faithful Job and Jesus under very adverse conditions proved Satan's challenge a lie and so can we.

Adam lost his perfect human health, so Adam passed down to us his acquired imperfect health, and that is why we have human weaknesses which include failing physical health and leanings toward wrongdoing.
That is a consequence that Satan and father Adam brought upon us.
Since we can Not undo what Adam did is why Jesus came to balance the Scales of Justice for us so that we can gain everlasting life on Earth ( live forever on Earth ) as originally offered to Adam before his downfall.
I find at Revelation 22:2 there will be ' healing ' for earth's nations. that will take place during Jesus' coming 1,000-year governmental rulership over Earth begins. Please notice the return of the Genesis ' tree of life ' is mentioned in verse 2 and that means there will be healing or curing for earth's nations to the point that No one will say, " I am sick...." according to Isaiah 33:24.
Even enemy death will finally be No more on Earth - 1 Corinthians 15:26; Isaiah 25:8

 

[Satyamavejayanti]

"wizanda"

Namaste,

I do think there might be another Mahapralaya after, been through 5 realities so far...
Personally think the manifest universe is code, that keeps being more optimized, and sometimes it needs reformatting, this is what is being discussed.

Well this goes against "Hindu eschatology", From Your Wiki Link.

After this larger cycle, all of creation will contract to a singularity and then again will expand from that single point, as the ages continue in a religious fractal pattern.[1]

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At the completion of Kali Yuga, the next epoch will begin, Satya Yuga, in which everyone will be righteous with the reestablishment of dharma and piety. This, in turn, will be followed cyclically by epochs of Treta Yuga, Dwapara Yuga and again another Kali Yuga. This cycle will repeat till the larger cycle of existence under Brahma returns to the singularity and a new universe is born.[3]

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This is the Age of the Yugas that are in "Hindu eschatology", that you are excluding because it does not fit into your preconceived notions about Hinduism.
From your Link.

Within the current kalpa, there are four yugas, or epochs, that encompass the evolution of this specific cycle. These ages encompass a beginning of complete purity to a descent into total decay.

• Satya Yuga lasts 1.728 million years.
• Treta Yuga lasts 1.296 million years.
• Dvapara Yuga lasts 864,000 years.
• Kali Yuga lasts 432,000 years.[2]

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The Hindu units of measuring time does not at all fit into a "Iminant", End of the "Kali Yuga", as you seem to assume, there are many sites that can help you understand this, here is a link to some basics.

Hindu units of time - Wikipedia

From the site we get:

The current Kali Yuga began at midnight 17 February / 18 February in 3102 BCE in the proleptic Julian calendar.[9] As per the information above about Yuga periods, only 5,119 years are passed out of 432,000 years of current Kali Yuga, and hence another 426,881 years are left to complete this 28th Kali Yuga of Vaivaswatha Manvantara.

This is not some "Prophecy", as there are no such things as "prophets", in Hinduism, this is based on measurements of time and the observation of the cyclic nature of existence.
Hindus are not digging bunkers in their basements and waiting for the end of Kali Yuga, there is no anxiety in Hinduism about "impending doom", as there is in the Abrahamic religions.
There is no mention of the Abrahamic myth about "all nations are to come against Jerusalem, and then God steps in to save those who are righteous;". Within Hinduism.
In Hinduism no Atman can ever be "removed from reality", like you suggest.

What you are doing is "fear mongering", and going on guilt trips, this is your own statement -"If you knew you were personally responsible because of your beliefs, would you change to avoid world wide destruction?"

You may be able to fool the gullible Hindus and non Hindus about this kind of attitude, to me what you are actually saying is "we cant do anything unless we believe in My (yours) version of reality", Then assuming that all other religious traditions are thinking the same way.

Hope you understand.

 

[wizanda]

This is the Age of the Yugas that are in "Hindu eschatology", that you are excluding because it does not fit into your preconceived notions about Hinduism.

I've not got preconceived notions about Hinduism; i've been informed, and was aware since birth I'm the avatar sent back before the age of Godliness, with me having a final chance to turn people back to 0neness.

Thus my dropping of the time references for the yugas, is because unless i've got a few incarnations, and the visions, communications, were out of sync and there is still thousands of years to go, then something is wrong with that timeline, and since my knowledge was expressed to me first hand, trying to calculate it based on the information available to us.

The Hindu units of measuring time does not at all fit into a "Iminant", End of the "Kali Yuga", as you seem to assume

Personally see the ages, as not measurements of time that can be counted in years; yet in the state of consciousness...

Take into account all of reality is consciousness, and as it degrades from its pure state it breaks down, as it is only a dream from Brahman after all.

If we read or watch ideas like the Never Ending Story, the Nothingness is this same concept...

Reality starts to crumble from no one believing in magic/faith anymore, which is the seams that hold reality together.

In Hinduism no Atman can ever be "removed from reality", like you suggest.

BG 1.44: O Janardan (Krishna), I have heard from the learned that those who destroy family traditions dwell in hell for an indefinite period of time.

This is not some "Prophecy", as there are no such things as "prophets", in Hinduism

Thought we'd already been over this point; clearly your issues with Hebraic concepts limits understanding of the whole.

A Rishi and a Prophet were doing the same thing; a prophet would fast, perform ceremony, and devotion, to be given knowledge of the things of the divine.

Within some of the Hindu texts, these can be seen as prophetic, as already posting chapter 11:24-32 of the Gita, talks of an event to come in a future setting.

there is no anxiety in Hinduism about "impending doom", as there is in the Abrahamic religions.

Yeshua warned against this, saying that those who come after will deceive many with the concept of 'Eggizo', which means 'the time draws near'; thus Christianity was established on these false concepts....

As we see in this thread, they also seem so consumed by it, rather than looking for ways to prevent WW3, they're all talking about ways to almost encourage it.

What you are doing is "fear mongering", and going on guilt trips

There is a possibility here is the top floor of Hell, with a load of demons reiterating their religious texts to excuse themselves, and thus the guilt trip is like within the Gita...

There are two types of people, why are some of us choosing to be demonic; when we could all be working towards a better world.

BG 16.9: Holding fast to such views, these misdirected souls, with small intellect and cruel actions, arise as enemies of the world threatening its destruction.

As the thread shows, the guilt trip didn't work in the slightest, the Abrahamics are almost promoting that we need WW3, so we can have peace after....

So saying to them, what if their ways are things causing WW3 is evidential.

You may be able to fool the gullible Hindus and non Hindus about this kind of attitude

Don't want to fool anyone, want to understand the texts well enough, to show where people are in error within the comprehension, here is what the text state globally, and lets have world peace.

Yet clearly many are happy with their separatist thinking, even if it leads away from Oneness, and inevitably causes the end of their reality.

 

[Satyamavejayanti]

"wizanda"

I've not got preconceived notions about Hinduism; i've been informed, and was aware since birth I'm the avatar sent back before the age of Godliness, with me having a final chance to turn people back to 0neness.

Provide evidence please.

Thus my dropping of the time references for the yugas, is because unless i've got a few incarnations, and the visions, communications, were out of sync and there is still thousands of years to go, then something is wrong with that timeline, and since my knowledge was expressed to me first hand, trying to calculate it based on the information available to us.

Ever consider that maybe its you who could be wrong?

BG 1.44: O Janardan (Krishna), I have heard from the learned that those who destroy family traditions dwell in hell for an indefinite period of time.

Out of context, this is Arjun's reason for not fighting.

A Rishi and a Prophet were doing the same thing; a prophet would fast, perform ceremony, and devotion, to be given knowledge of the things of the divine.

A rishi (male) or rishika (female) literally means "to see", or direct experience, i would read "Being Different", by Rajiv Malhotra in chapter 5 he gives ample evidence of why a rishi is not the same as prophets.

Don't want to fool anyone, want to understand the texts well enough, to show where people are in error within the comprehension, here is what the text state globally, and lets have world peace.

I think people should always be weary of those who claim others are in error, without any acknowledgement that their own comprehension could be in error.

 

[wizanda]

Provide evidence please.

How can i, you don't believe in prophecy?

Could point out my name Zanda, which spelled specifically that way since a child, as it is a derivative of Skanda.

Same as that Yeshua has a new name in Revelation, and that new name according to the web is Sananda, etc...

Then could show systematically how prophecy has unfolded in multiple religions, setting a trap for mankind, and the specifications of said trap to catch out the blood thirsty...

Which i was shown as a child, as a complex thought pattern, and can now explain the concept in many religious texts.

Ever consider that maybe its you who could be wrong?

Yes of course, question everything, which is why I'm so persistent in questioning the information available to us.

I think people should always be weary of those who claim others are in error, without any acknowledgement that their own comprehension could be in error.

The text tell us people are in error; they're all full of ego projecting onto others, here is the Maya, not Nirvana.

 

[Satyamavejayanti]

"wizanda,"

Namaste,

How can i, you don't believe in prophecy?

You claim to be a Avatar, show me your Vrata Rupam.

Could point out my name Zanda, which spelled specifically that way since a child, as it is a derivative of Skanda.

Yeh, my friends name is "Krishna", my Grandfathers name was "Shiu", no derivatives there, just straight up GODs.

Dhanyavad

 

[wizanda]

Namaste,

1:28 ....In Kah-yuga, people will blaspheme a spiritual master or other elderly person without hesitation. Indeed, people in general will simply become hypocrites, liars, and cheaters.

The word 'Namaste' means to show respect to the divine within someone....

Personally now perceive it should only be used on people who are following the Dharma from Heaven (not books), and thus are connected to Brahman; else when demons down here use it as a greeting, yet don't actually honor its intent, the word becomes superficial.

 

[Satyamavejayanti]

"wizanda"

Namaste,

The word 'Namaste' means to show respect to the divine within someone....

....because the same "Divine", resides in Me, when i say Namaste to you, i do so out of respect of the Inner Atman, by "Namaste" one acknowledges "ME" and "YOU" are "equal".

Dhanyavad