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Is there proof God can not exist?

otokage007

otokage007

Well-Known Member
Science can't prove something "doesn't exist". Not God, nor mermaids.

However, there's some famous "proofs" that suggest God doesn't exist, for example:

God is omnipotent. If God is omnipotent, can he create a rock that he can not lift from the ground?

If you answer "yes", then God isn't omnipotent because he can not lift that heavy rock.

If you answer "no", then God isn't omnipotent because he can't create that rock.

Consecuently, If God isn't omnipotent then the God of the bible doesn't exist.
 
zemelo.franky

zemelo.franky

Member
otokage007 said:
Science can't prove something "doesn't exist". Not God, nor mermaids.

However, there's some famous "proofs" that suggest God doesn't exist, for example:

God is omnipotent. If God is omnipotent, can he create a rock that he can not lift from the ground?

If you answer "yes", then God isn't omnipotent because he can not lift that heavy rock.

If you answer "no", then God isn't omnipotent because he can't create that rock.

Consecuently, If God isn't omnipotent then the God of the bible doesn't exist.
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While I tend to agree that God does not exist, your logic takes place entirely within the mind of a human animal, and thus has no applicability to external concepts except in regards to humans, and really only yourself.
 
PolyHedral

PolyHedral

Superabacus Mystic
zemelo.franky said:
While I tend to agree that God does not exist, your logic takes place entirely within the mind of a human animal, and thus has no applicability to external concepts except in regards to humans, and really only yourself.
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It is assumed that internally inconsistent concepts do not exist as a matter of principle.
 
otokage007

otokage007

Well-Known Member
zemelo.franky said:
While I tend to agree that God does not exist, your logic takes place entirely within the mind of a human animal, and thus has no applicability to external concepts except in regards to humans, and really only yourself.
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"Is there proof God can not exist?"

I presume the autor reffers to the "abrahamic religions" God.

What I was trying to make you understand, is that the only way to prove that God doesn't exist, is through the incoherences of the book that sais he does exist.

The bible sais God is omnipotent, but as I have shown you before, he isn't. So the bible lies, thus God doesn't exist (at least not the bible God).

You can say "your arguments are just human logic, not evidences", of course, because you can not disprove God trough evidence, just through logic that takes down the incoherent aspects of the bible.
 
zemelo.franky

zemelo.franky

Member
otokage007 said:
What I was trying to make you understand, is that the only way to prove that God doesn't exist, is through the incoherences of the book that sais he does exist.
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What I was trying to make you understand is that a good deal of somersaulting going on here and you have yet to figure it out.

You can say "your arguments are just human logic, not evidences", of course, because you can not disprove God trough evidence, just through logic that takes down the incoherent aspects of the bible.
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And, boom goes the dynamite.
 
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Acim

Revelation all the time
TJ73 said:
Is there anything that suggests that God is an impossibility?
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Yes.

Is there anything in science that makes it clear that God can not exist and could not have had anything to do with the universe?
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Not in (or with) science.
With certain philosophies, it is semi-clear that a particular kind of god can not exist, nor could it have anything to do with the universe.

Even according Gnostics, God (Creator) has nothing to do with the (physical) universe.
 
waitasec

waitasec

Veteran Member
PolyHedral said:
The results from dissonant thinking are not valid.
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zemelo.franky said:
How can dissonant thinking exist but its product can not?
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Experience can clash with expectations, as, for example, with buyer's remorse following the purchase of an expensive item. In a state of dissonance, people may feel surprise,[2] dread, guilt, anger, or embarrassment. People are biased to think of their choices as correct, despite any contrary evidence. This bias gives dissonance theory its predictive power, shedding light on otherwise puzzling irrational and destructive behavior.

Cognitive dissonance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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student20

New Member
freethinker44 said:
My personal opinion of why god cannot exist, and I really mean personal because there is a list of things you must accept before the following works, is:

Anything that exists can be known, anything that can be known can be understood, anything that can be understood can be reproduced.

If god exists, god can be reproduced, anything can be equal to god.

This ties in with this:

I am not god, I will not produce a god, nothing like me is god.

Humans have the ability to know and understand something, if we can know and understand god, we can reproduce god.

Humans cannot reproduce god, therefore god does not exist.

This is pretty convenient for me since it allows for any god to exist as it is written and it wouldn't be a god to me. Basically, god must be beyond human potential, I don't believe that is possible, so I don't believe god exists.
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you say that anything that can be known can be understood...we know humans but they are not fully understood, no one can ever fully understand "man" no two people are the exact same.. then you say that anything that can be understood can be reproduced...since "man" is not understood fully, but say they are, they can not be reproduced. cloning has not been successful with humans and it never will be so therefore anything that can be understood can not be reproduced so there is a God. You can not reproduce God the same as you can not reproduce humans so if based on that God doesn't exist, does that mean humans do not exist? How do you even explain mans' existence? Not trying to argue just a friendly question :)
 
waitasec

waitasec

Veteran Member
student20 said:
you say that anything that can be known can be understood...we know humans but they are not fully understood, no one can ever fully understand "man" no two people are the exact same.. then you say that anything that can be understood can be reproduced...since "man" is not understood fully, but say they are, they can not be reproduced. cloning has not been successful with humans and it never will be so therefore anything that can be understood can not be reproduced so there is a God.
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how can you arrive to that definitive conclusion
You can not reproduce God the same as you can not reproduce humans so if based on that God doesn't exist, does that mean humans do not exist? How do you even explain mans' existence? Not trying to argue just a friendly question :)
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being that humans do exist, the concept of god was created by them...
 
logician

logician

Well-Known Member
TJ73 said:
There is a lot of similar threads. I want to ask a slightly different question ( I think it is)
I am familiar with the idea that Deity is not necessary. I understand not having proof.
But,
Is there anything that suggests that God is an impossibility?
Is there anything in science that makes it clear that God can not exist and could not have had anything to do with the universe?
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Which "god" are you talking about?
Most god concepts can be disproven, and none are based upon any hard. tested evidence.
 
outhouse

outhouse

Atheistically
logician said:
Which "god" are you talking about?
Most god concepts can be disproven, and none are based upon any hard. tested evidence.
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Not only that there is a clear cut case all gods have been created by man as a imaginary presence to help them in need and explain what they do not know.
 
bobhikes

bobhikes

Nondetermined
Premium Member
freethinker44 said:
My personal opinion of why god cannot exist, and I really mean personal because there is a list of things you must accept before the following works, is:

Anything that exists can be known, anything that can be known can be understood, anything that can be understood can be reproduced.

If god exists, god can be reproduced, anything can be equal to god.

Humans have the ability to know and understand something, if we can know and understand god, we can reproduce god.

Humans cannot reproduce god, therefore god does not exist.

This is pretty convenient for me since it allows for any god to exist as it is written and it wouldn't be a god to me. Basically, god must be beyond human potential, I don't believe that is possible, so I don't believe god exists.
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You exist, can you be reproduced, can anything be equal to you.

I submit you do not exist.:sorry1:
 
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