Is Trinity in the Bible?

[may]

I don't know what the purpose of Yasin's post was, but I do think he raised a good, legitimate question. Is the trinity spoken of in the Bible? If no, then where do Christians come up with this doctrine, and how reliable can it be if it is not mentioned in the Bible?

I am re reading the Bible at the moment, just started a few days ago, and in the very first book of the Bible I am already amazed by the things which I presumed to be in there, but are not. For instance there is no mention in Genesis that the serpent was The Devil, or was possessed by the Devil. It only says that the serpent is more clever than the other animals.

On the other hand, if the Trinity is mentioned in the Bible, that is interesting as well, and perhaps we could get a book and verse so we may go and read about it.

B.

"And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven with the key of the abyss and a great chain in his hand. And he seized the dragon, the original serpent, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. And he hurled him into the abyss and shut it and sealed it over him, that he might not mislead the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After these things he must be let loose for a little while."—Revelation 20:1-3.

(Genesis 3:4) At this the serpent said to the woman: "YOU positively will not die.

(2 Corinthians 11:3) But I am afraid that somehow, as the serpent seduced Eve by its cunning, YOUR minds might be corrupted away from the sincerity and the chastity that are due the Christ.
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(Revelation 12:9) So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him.................... The serpent is the devil , because the bible harmonizes throughout , but the bible does not teach the TRINITY that is a manmade doctrine and many have been misled by it

 

[may]

To me the trinity is false.

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very true that is , it is not a bible teaching ,but many have been misled by this false teaching .

 

[may]

I agree and disagree with Kat!

We should abandon these man made concepts like "trinity" and this includes "godhead" as well (sorry). Instead of trying to force the scriptures to fit our perceptions of reality, lets try to force our reality to fit the scriptures.

now thats more like it but many have been misled by the false trinity doctrine .

 

[may]

5a. Church, Chapel or What? [www.the-faith.org.uk] Interesting reading. There are a bunch that explain the mis-translation. The point being, it does not appear in the Bible, either does the word trinity. But that does not mean they don't exist.

The God that made the world and all the things in it, being, as this One is, Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in handmade temples."—Acts 17:24.

 

[may]

Yes, Jesus was God and He was with God (His Father) in the beginning. He created our universe under His Father's direction. But do you believe He was His own Father and His own Son?

Did He send Himself to do His will? Do you believe He prayed to Himself while on earth? Do you believe that He asked Himself to forgive those individuals who were responsible for His crucifixion, that He forsook Himself while hanging on the cross, or commended Himself into His own hands. When He ascended into Heaven, did He go there to sit on His own right hand? The Father and the Son are most definitely "one," but the issue is in what way they are "one."

they are one in unity and thought , the same way that Jesus followers are in unity of thought and purpose . Jesus said to his followers you are one the same as the father and him were one . being one in unity and thought does not make his followers God, the same way that Jesus is not God by being in unity with his father.
"I make request, not concerning these only, but also concerning those putting faith in me through their word; in order that they may all be one,
Or, "at unity." Lit., "one (thing)." Gr., hen, neuter, to show oneness in cooperation.
just as you, Father, are in union with me and I am in union with you, that they also may be in union with us, in order that the world may believe that you sent me forth. JOHN 17;21
and as paul said ,
Now I exhort YOU, brothers, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ that YOU should all speak in agreement, and that there should not be divisions among YOU, but that YOU may be fitly united in the same mind and in the same line of thought. 1 corinthians 1;10

 

[may]

Hi, Jeff.

It's not the word "Trinity" that I object to. It's the origin and meaning of the word. .

Kathryn

Should You Believe in the Trinity?
Answers such questions as: What is the Trinity? Does the Bible teach it? Is Jesus Christ the Almighty God and part of the Trinity? What is the holy spirit, and how does it function? Illustrated............................... THIS IS A GOOD ONLINE READ ABOUT THE ORIGINS OF THE TRINITY . dont be put off by the fact that it is published by Jehovahs witnesses . they are into TRUTH about the trinity teaching and where it came from

 

[Muffled]

yes indeed, with its roots firmly in the Babylonish teachings that have spread all over the world . and Babylonish teachings arre not inline with the true Gods teachings , that is why in the book of REVELATION False religion is symbolically known as BABYLON THE GREAT . and the true God wants his people to GET OUT OF HER revelation 18;4

Not only would this be impossible to prove Biblically it also would be extemely difficult to prove historically.

 

[Muffled]

the bible has no thought of the trinity teaching at all .

Here is the evidence: Father, Son and Holy Ghost are in the Bible and explained very nicely by Jesus in John 14. If you were talking about the Doctrine of the Trinity that is a different matter.

 

[Muffled]

when God said LET US MAKE MAN he was talking to his first-born son , Jesus lived in heaven with his father before he was sent to the earth .He had a pre-human life in heaven with the most high JEHOVAH

There is no evidence of a precreated Jesus in Heaven. The Biblical evidence is that Jesus was created in the womb of Mary. The reason that Jesus cn enunciate his eternal being is not due to the body but due to His spirit which is the spirit of God.

 

[~Amin~]

Yasin, is just a troll on a mission, to show us the error of Christian thinking. Nothing more, most assuredly, nothing less.

Peace
arnt you clearly trying to do the same thing?
this is strange wouldnt you say?

 

[robtex]

MOD POST: The topic is "Is the Trinity in the Bible." Please stay on topic. If you want to take an idea that is tangent to this you are more than welcome to start a new debate thread or run a search to see if it is an older debate topic.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Staying on topic....

NO.....Trinity is not in the bible.

All of the concepts of three as one and all of the rituals from the church are man made.

I know, some of you are going to throw Paul/Saul in the mix a scripture and proof to support your position. Bring it on. Paul gave nothing but (HIS) opinion. He never knew Jesus or ever met him. We can't even be sure he heard anything on the road. Have we considered that he was influenced by satan, especially since he never heard or ever met Jesus before.

 

[Muffled]

Staying on topic....

NO.....Trinity is not in the bible.

All of the concepts of three as one and all of the rituals from the church are man made.

I know, some of you are going to throw Paul/Saul in the mix a scripture and proof to support your position. Bring it on. Paul gave nothing but (HIS) opinion. He never knew Jesus or ever met him. We can't even be sure he heard anything on the road. Have we considered that he was influenced by satan, especially since he never heard or ever met Jesus before.

Stating something doesn't make it true. In message #508 I gave the Biblical evidence for this and it wasn;t Paul speaking. Your staatements about Paul are off topic. Since Paul is in the Bible His words are Biblical evidence.

 

[Muffled]

MOD POST: The topic is "Is the Trinity in the Bible." Please stay on topic. If you want to take an idea that is tangent to this you are more than welcome to start a new debate thread or run a search to see if it is an older debate topic.

How equitable is it that a JW can call the trinity concept false but I can't say that JW's have their own problem with false doctrine?

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Stating something doesn't make it true.

This is only the case with your assertion that Jesus is God. You have failed to prove this using the 4 gospels. The only way you can lay claim to this is the prison letters and opinions of Paul and others who preached this after the supposed death of Jesus.

John 20:17
Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

I hope you didn't miss that one. Can you explain to us what he meant by MY GOD AND YOUR GOD.....????

Lu 22:42 saying, "Father, if it is Your will, take this cup away from Me;
nevertheless not My will, but Yours, be done."

If he is God then who was "God" praying to? Mind you, this isn't the first or last time he prayed to this God.

Matthew 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

There's that "My God" again. Who could have the ability to forsake "God"?????? Again, Who was he talking to if Jesus is (suposedly 100% man and 100% God)????

In message #508 I gave the Biblical evidence for this and it wasn;t Paul speaking. Your staatements about Paul are off topic. Since Paul is in the Bible His words are Biblical evidence.

Paul is the conerstone for all of this. No one in the 4 gospels made the leap that Jesus was God. You don't hear that kind of talk until Paul took his teachings to the gentiles. Speaking of Paul is not off topic and I wish people stop trying to take the focus off him when it comes to the trinity. It wasn't until after his supposed encounter on the road Jesus became God.

As far as him being "biblical"...You're right. The scriptures were decided upon as the ones the people were allowed to read. After they were approved they were collected and bound in what is known as the bible (Collection of Writings) (A book or collection of writings constituting the sacred text of a religion. often bible A book considered authoritative in its field: the bible of French cooking.) There were a bunch that were not included. Some were legit and some were fakes. All of this supposed evidence you belive Paul's writings have is baseless. All of his commentary is of his opinion. All we have is (HIS) word that Jesus spoke to him and only him on the road. This isn't much different than the multitude that have come forward in the name of Jesus or God whom they say spoke to or through them.

 

[gnostic]

All we have is (HIS) word that Jesus spoke to him and only him on the road. This isn't musch different than the multitude that have come forwad in the name of Jesus or God whom they say spoke to or through them.

Or for that matter, of Muhammad meeting Gabriel, or of Joseph Smith meeting the angel Moroni. Neither of them have substantiate their claims of meeting angels beyond their words.

The existence of the Trinity, as well as Jesus' godhood, in the bible are merely conjecturing at best, because they are not in the writings themselves, but through their interpretations. So I agree with you on this, DreGod07.

 

[Smoke]

The doctrine of the Trinity is not explicitly taught in the Bible. It was, however, explicitly taught by the people who assembled and canonized the Bible, so I can't see any good reason for rejecting the Trinity and still accepting the Bible as authoritative.

 

[love]

"Is Trinity in the Bible?

I can only ask myself if Jesus was the Christ and every fiber of my being tells me He is.
Some cannot comprehend a trinity and I cannot comprehend infinity.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

The doctrine of the Trinity is not explicitly taught in the Bible. It was, however, explicitly taught by the people who assembled and canonized the Bible, so I can't see any good reason for rejecting the Trinity and still accepting the Bible as authoritative.

The trinity was not taught by Jesus or his disciples at the time he walked with them. He clearly expresses a oneness in purpose with God.

Just because a group of people got together and canonized the bible doesn't make it the be all to end all. There were other groups that held to the original traditions and did not believe the scriptures the way the church leaders did.

Who Jesus was and what he was can be found (for the most part) in the 4 gospels. All of the other writings of men after the supposed death of Jesus bring forth new interpretations and opinions as to who and what he was.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

I can only ask myself if Jesus was the Christ and every fiber of my being tells me He is.
Some cannot comprehend a trinity and I cannot comprehend infinity.

Well, I can tell you....I understand the trinity quite well and I can assure you that I conprehend infinity with no problem.....