Is Trump Still Proud of Shutting Down the Government?

[Mindmaster]

The how did the provisions get funded?

"Although the 2006 law authorized construction of a fence, Congress initially did not fully appropriate funds for it (see authorization-appropriation process). "Congress put aside $1.4 billion for the fence, but the whole cost, including maintenance, was pegged at $50 billion over 25 years, according to analyses at the time."[10]

A 2017 GAO report noted: "According to CBP, from fiscal year 2007 through 2015, it spent approximately $2.3 billion to deploy border fencing along the southwest border, and CBP will need to spend a substantial amount to sustain these investments over their lifetimes. CBP did not provide a current life-cycle costs estimate to maintain pedestrian and vehicle fencing, however, in 2009 CBP estimated that maintaining fencing would cost more than $1 billion over 20 years."[12]"

Secure Fence Act of 2006 - Wikipedia

 

[Salvador]

So you agree that Trump has not negotiated in good faith on anything?

Right now, it's the responsibility of Congress to make border patrol and border law enforcement jobs easier and safer with border security, which includes extending border fencing.

 

[Subduction Zone]

There's a Congressional bill in the works in order to help out unpaid government workers by preventing their creditors or landlords from taking legal action against them for unpaid rent, mortgages or loans. If this bill passes, there'd be less urgency to end the partial government shutdown until Democrats come to their senses about providing funding that border patrol agents and border law enforcement agents would like to be invested in a border security barrier for making their jobs easier and safer.

The point is that that sort of action should not be necessary. How many such bills will be passed before Trump starts vetoing those too out of spite?

 

[Salvador]

The point is that that sort of action should not be necessary. How many such bills will be passed before Trump starts vetoing those too out of spite?

I doubt Trump would veto any legislation that provide financial relief to unpaid government workers; this would actually help Trump keep the partial government shutdown going for months.

 

[Nous]

Trump already showed that he was not willing to compromise at all:

Trump Walks Out of Meeting After Democrats Refuse Border Wall Funding

Meanwhile he is not only hurting countless government workers (I wonder who they will be voting for in the next election?) he is also harming people that rely on those services. Now one must get to the airport even earlier since unpaid employees do tend to get "sick" more often than those that are paid.

And things are going to get much worse very soon, with long-term problems very expensive for everyone.

 

[Subduction Zone]

And things are going to get much worse very soon, with long-term problems very expensive for everyone.

I agree. Economically it would have "made sense" for the Democrats to have caved on this one issue, except for the fact that if this strategy worked once there would be no end to holding the government hostage.

 

[Nous]

"Although the 2006 law authorized construction of a fence, Congress initially did not fully appropriate funds for it (see authorization-appropriation process). "Congress put aside $1.4 billion for the fence, but the whole cost, including maintenance, was pegged at $50 billion over 25 years, according to analyses at the time."[10]

A 2017 GAO report noted: "According to CBP, from fiscal year 2007 through 2015, it spent approximately $2.3 billion to deploy border fencing along the southwest border, and CBP will need to spend a substantial amount to sustain these investments over their lifetimes. CBP did not provide a current life-cycle costs estimate to maintain pedestrian and vehicle fencing, however, in 2009 CBP estimated that maintaining fencing would cost more than $1 billion over 20 years."[12]"

Secure Fence Act of 2006 - Wikipedia

Thank you. That's what I said. I already read that article.

Trump is not holding the country hostage in order to get funding for maintenance of that fence.

 

[Nous]

Right now, it's the responsibility of Congress to make border patrol and border law enforcement jobs easier and safer with border security, which includes extending border fencing.

Trump is obviously not trying to make any employee's job any easier.

 

[Nous]

I agree. Economically it would have "made sense" for the Democrats to have caved on this one issue, except for the fact that if this strategy worked once there would be no end to holding the government hostage.

Not to mention the fact that the majority of Americans blame Trump and the GOP.

 

[Salvador]

And things are going to get much worse very soon, with long-term problems very expensive for everyone.

Essential government work is still getting done, despite the current partial government shutdown. Also, as I'd mentioned back at post #80, "there's a Congressional bill in the works in order to help out unpaid government workers by preventing their creditors or landlords from taking legal action against them for unpaid rent, mortgages or loans. If this bill passes, there'd be less urgency to end the partial government shutdown until Democrats come to their senses about providing funding that border patrol agents and border law enforcement agents would like to be invested in a border security barrier for making their jobs easier and safer."

In the end, we'll finally get a secure border. ..

 

[Subduction Zone]

Not to mention the fact that the majority of Americans blame Trump and the GOP.

Most people can see that it is immoral to hold the government hostage for a failed concept. The good news is that tRump continues to bury his party. He may yet be the ultimate cause of Single Payer Health Care. The longer this goes on the more people will remember this in just a little less than two years.

 

[Nous]

Essential government work is still getting done,

There's already a shortage of TSA workers, for God's sake.

 

[Salvador]

There's already a shortage of TSA workers, for God's sake.

Financial stress relief from creditors and lenders is what TSA workers do need.until they can pay off their debts with all that back pay they'll get after Congress agrees to make our southern border safe.

Until then, the public will just need to be patient and understanding when waiting in line at airport security check points.

 

[Nous]

Financial stress relief from creditors and lenders is what TSA workers do need.until they can pay off their debts with all that back pay they'll get after Congress agrees to make our southern border safe.

Until then, the public will just need to be patient and understanding when waiting in line at airport security check points.

As polls show, most Americans blame Trump and the GOP, and they do so for rational reasons, in contrast to the sycophancy that you et al. exhibit.

 

[Salvador]

As polls show, most Americans blame Trump and the GOP, and they do so for rational reasons, in contrast to the sycophancy that you et al. exhibit.

Good news for unpaid government workers...A bi-partisan bill just now drafted would allow unpaid government workers to access their retirement accounts without penalty. Hopefully, this will lift their spirits and offer them financial stress relief until the time comes when they get their back pay as soon as Congress agrees to fully secure our nation's border.

Bipartisan bill would give government workers access to retirement funds amid shutdown

 

[Salvador]

Trump already showed that he was not willing to compromise at all:

Trump Walks Out of Meeting After Democrats Refuse Border Wall Funding

Trump has already shifted his position from a $20 billion concrete wall across the entire border to acceptance of a less than $6 billion steel slated barrier across a few hundred miles. How much more compromising do you want than all that's already been done?

 

[Nous]

Good news for unpaid government workers...A bi-partisan bill just now drafted would allow unpaid government workers to access their retirement accounts without penalty. Hopefully, this will lift their spirits and offer them financial stress relief until the time comes when they get their back pay as soon as Congress agrees to fully secure our nation's border.

Bipartisan bill would give government workers access to retirement funds amid shutdown

I bet that measure won't change the fact that most Americans rightly blame Trump and the GOP for the shutdown.

 

[Salvador]

I bet that measure won't change the fact that most Americans rightly blame Trump and the GOP for the shutdown.

As I've already noted, Trump has already shifted his position from a $20 billion concrete wall across the entire border to acceptance of a less than $6 billion steel slated barrier across a few hundred miles.

The POTUS can't do much more compromising than all that he's already done for securing our border with a steel slated security barrier; so now the Congress must take responsibility for getting our government back to full operational status by way of providing border patrol agents with all the tools, including a border security barrier, they need to keep our border safe against unwanted intruders.

 

[metis]

Yes, that's the case if you suffer from brain damage.

it's just name calling on the level of kids stuff.

Anyone stewing the racist narrative is complete human piece of trash,

Ad hominem attacks should be beneath you, but it's obvious that it's not. You have neither really studied the issue and/or you just prefer to act in an immature and/or dishonest fashion, but it's your choice I guess. I prefer to discuss things with those who at least try to act like moral adults.

 

[metis]

As I've already noted, Trump has already shifted his position from a $20 billion concrete wall across the entire border to acceptance of a less than $6 billion steel slated barrier across a few hundred miles.

Why not put it up to an up or down vote in Congress, and if it passes that then becomes law if Trump signs it. IOW, there really is no need to shut down parts of our security system and put 800,000 into financial jeopardy just because Trump can't make up his mind and McConnell doesn't really care how many people get hurt because he won't even allow an up or down vote.